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Old 2009-12-29, 22:09   Link #1341
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Okay...Lindy is Fate's official mother... >.> Too confusing to continue. But don't forget that Precia perfected Project F that Jail created...
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Old 2009-12-29, 22:15   Link #1342
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I just consider Alicia as a sister with the original template for Fate. Then it branches off with Fate's two mothers - Precia and Lindy.
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Old 2009-12-29, 22:20   Link #1343
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I just consider Alicia as a sister with the original template for Fate. Then it branches off with Fate's two mothers - Precia and Lindy.

I think this might be the best, and least confusing, template to follow
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Old 2009-12-29, 22:26   Link #1344
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It's the best template unless you like being confused.
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Old 2009-12-29, 22:34   Link #1345
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I just consider Alicia as a sister with the original template for Fate. Then it branches off with Fate's two mothers - Precia and Lindy.
That'll be LEGAL mothers.
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Old 2009-12-29, 22:58   Link #1346
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You're absolutely right; it's less confusing.
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Old 2009-12-29, 23:17   Link #1347
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Canon already shows that Fate considers Alicia her sister, anyway.
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Old 2009-12-30, 03:36   Link #1348
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I can't believe that people are kicking, flailing and punching at the thought of Fate having possibly a father or even having Jail as one. It's not like it is going the first instance of a non traditional family in a show filled with them. I'll add that a "Luke I am your father" possible scenario is just too much to let it slip, remember that said father in Return of the Jedi redeemed himself in the end.
Also, Fate is a clone, not the product of the Immaculate Conception.
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Old 2009-12-30, 03:58   Link #1349
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Yea well Sheba, you know the fandom and the first Commandment

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1. A penis shalt noth be related to Fate whether it be shipping, sex or the origin of all 23 chromosomes that isn't Precia's.
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Old 2009-12-30, 06:08   Link #1350
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Actually, the whole 'Jail is your father' thing was born out of a quote from Tre, who told Fate not to say such sad things about Jail because "The doctor, as well as for that boy and others, is your birth father."

Also note that Fate has no comeback to this. No denial. The only reply she can give is "Shut up!"
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Old 2009-12-30, 09:10   Link #1351
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I always thot it's referring to Project F but meh.
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Old 2009-12-30, 09:14   Link #1352
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Also note that Fate has no comeback to this. No denial. The only reply she can give is "Shut up!"
Dysfunctional families yo.
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Old 2009-12-30, 09:18   Link #1353
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Well, at least Jail didn't start touching her for Erio and Caro to call up Child Crimes...
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Old 2009-12-30, 10:32   Link #1354
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I always thot it's referring to Project F but meh.
She is, she doesn't mean he's literally her blood related father (erio's a clone of another couple's son so that can't be what she means). But in the sense that without Jail's direct involvement she wouldn't have life, Jail is her father.
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Old 2009-12-30, 11:00   Link #1355
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In terms of who "created" Fate, Jail is definitely her father. They aren't blood related, but he was the one who started the research for cloning. Precia pretty much perfected it to her own means. So if you want to think of her parents as who "created" her, Precia would be Fate's mother and Jail would be Fate's father.
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Old 2009-12-30, 13:56   Link #1356
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Something doesn't feel right about "because I aided in your creation, I am your father"
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Old 2009-12-30, 15:44   Link #1357
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*shrug* Why not? Precia also 'aided in Fate's creation' in a similar way as Jail did after all.

And Fate sure didn't deny it. She didn't like it, oh no she did not like it at all, but she did not deny it.
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Old 2009-12-30, 15:54   Link #1358
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Because were his genes used in the making of Fate, or did he just create project F and Precia used project F to create Fate.

I'll agree if It's the former, but if it's the latter then Scaglietti is the father under what basis? What if a man were to force a female to have sex with another man, and she procreated, would that mean the child has two fathers? Certainly both men aided in creating the child, but one of them is not related by blood, or legally. I don't get it. *shrug*
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Old 2009-12-30, 16:13   Link #1359
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Something doesn't feel right about "because I aided in your creation, I am your father"
Well, now you're moving into touchy territory here. "Creating" someone certainly makes one a father, but... at the same time, not quite. Part of being a parent is not only having a child, but raising the child. So while Jail can say he's Fate's father because he "created" her, he's not really her father in the sense that he didn't raise her to make her who she is now.
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Old 2009-12-30, 16:54   Link #1360
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Because were his genes used in the making of Fate, or did he just create project F and Precia used project F to create Fate.

I'll agree if It's the former, but if it's the latter then Scaglietti is the father under what basis? What if a man were to force a female to have sex with another man, and she procreated, would that mean the child has two fathers? Certainly both men aided in creating the child, but one of them is not related by blood, or legally. I don't get it. *shrug*
Genes matter not, if genes were all that mattered, Lindy wouldn't be Fate's mother, Genya wouldn't be the Nakajima daughters' father, Nanoha wouldn't be Vivio's mother etc. etc.

Likewise, Precia didn't use her genes in creating Fate. Oh sure, her genes were used in creating Alicia, but afterwards it was Alicia's genes that were used to create Fate. It's an ethical debate that steps on all kinds of toes should you throw it out in the real world. Me? I prefer looking at the reaction of the people involved. And Fate's reaction spoke volumes of what she thought about the situation.
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