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Old 2011-09-09, 20:34   Link #1461
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beside the butler who was scolded is called Saitou... Still wondering what's the connection between this 'Saitou' butler with Sumire... *shot*
Still no clue about that. One thing that we know is that it's written in the same kanji.
But somehow I believe they might not have a family relationship.

"Saitou" in butler's name is most likely his given name (butlers are called by their own name, right?), while "Saitou" in Sumire's is a family name.
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Old 2011-09-09, 20:55   Link #1462
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Still no clue about that. One thing that we know is that it's written in the same kanji.
But somehow I believe they might not have a family relationship.

"Saitou" in butler's name is most likely his given name (butlers are called by their own name, right?), while "Saitou" in Sumire's is a family name.
indeed... XD I never heard about a master called his/her butler by the butler's last name thought. (but still... I'm really curious... ^^

Somehow I'm still hoping that in the latest chapter of HS, Sumire would ask who's the one that plays the keyboard part when she listened fuwa-fuwa time just like she asked who're the singer and the bass player. XP
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Old 2011-09-09, 21:01   Link #1463
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indeed... XD I never heard about a master called his/her butler by the butler's last name thought. (but still... I'm really curious... ^^

Somehow I'm still hoping that in the latest chapter of HS, Sumire would ask who's the one that plays the keyboard part when she listened fuwa-fuwa time just like she asked who're the singer and the bass player. XP
She probably knew it already and that's why she didn't ask XD

What I hope is that with the inclusion of Sumire, we could see more of Kotobuki family

^ and probably could be the one to tell the story of Mugi's childhood.. assuming they were already together when they're still little.

We could see loli Yui and Mio/Ritsu since there are people who tell stories about them: Ui and Nodoka for Yui, and Mio and Ritsu goes for each other. Azusa and Mugi are the only ones left unknown.
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Old 2011-09-09, 21:22   Link #1464
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She probably knew it already and that's why she didn't ask XD

What I hope is that with the inclusion of Sumire, we could see more of Kotobuki family

^ and probably could be the one to tell the story of Mugi's childhood.. assuming they were already together when they're still little.
Perhaps, senpai... XD she might know it already since it's rather impossible if Sumire doesn't know where school her 'onee-sama' went to... (the same thing could be applied to where club Mugi join rite?) XD

And if it's true, the only thing that's still confusing me is when Sumire was asked whether she has someone like 'older sister/brother' or not. Lol, she suddenly stopped after said 'Ko,to, and bu' words. XD

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We could see loli Yui and Mio/Ritsu since there are people who tell stories about them: Ui and Nodoka for Yui, and Mio and Ritsu goes for each other. Azusa and Mugi are the only ones left unknown.
yup, I hope theirs will be revealed.
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Old 2011-09-09, 21:43   Link #1465
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"Saitou" in butler's name is most likely his given name (butlers are called by their own name, right?), while "Saitou" in Sumire's is a family name.
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indeed... XD I never heard about a master called his/her butler by the butler's last name thought. (but still... I'm really curious... ^^
Auhh, sorry but Saito is a family name, a quite popular one at that and I have not heard of a given name by Saito either.
Japan is a nation of formalities and people do not call a person by their given names unless they are very close and in a very informal manner.
A master and employee relationship is never that since they are not equals. Speaking of unequal relationship calling a name without a honorific title shows clear relationship of who is higher in hierarchy.
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Old 2011-09-09, 21:44   Link #1466
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Old 2011-09-09, 22:14   Link #1467
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^ You haven't heard of Saito Hiiraga? O.o
Sorry I haven't followed Zero no Tsukaima so no.
Looked at his actual Japanese Kanji, 才人 is a rather uncommon given name.
Yes the spelling is the same but the intonations are different, more pronounced like Sight with a silent o rather than Saitou.

=Edit =

In Wiki Japanese it has the Kanji for the butler's name which is a family name, 斎藤.

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%...BF.82.E8.80.85

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Old 2011-09-09, 22:50   Link #1468
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Auhh, sorry but Saito is a family name, a quite popular one at that and I have not heard of a given name by Saito either.
Japan is a nation of formalities and people do not call a person by their given names unless they are very close and in a very informal manner.
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A master and employee relationship is never that since they are not equals. Speaking of unequal relationship calling a name without a honorific title shows clear relationship of who is higher in hierarchy.
for the first quote, true, but we still don't know whether this 'Saitou' name is the given name nor the last name of Mugi's butler. The only thing we know is the fact that Saitou is Sumire's last name.

Replying the second quote (the answer might off topic from what the thread disscuss thought *and IMHO*), I think 'never' isn't a correct word thought... Perhaps 'rarely' is a better word since there's an exception due to customs in some countries that doesn't allow someone to call other people by given name, although they are 'lower' than him/her IF the ones who's in the lower position are older than him/her (and many other conditions), but its rare and different country, different custom.

Edit: if its true that 'Saitou' is a last name. Then the one who was scolded by Mugi should has relationship with Sumire. Even it could be Sumire herself Lol...
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Old 2011-09-09, 23:01   Link #1469
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for the first quote, true, but we still don't know whether this 'Saitou' name is the given name nor the last name of Mugi's butler. The only thing we know is the fact that Saitou is Sumire's last name.
I already posted the kanji from wiki Japanese 斎藤 is a family name and not a given name.
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I already posted the kanji from wiki Japanese 斎藤 is a family name and not a given name.
see the 'edit' part at my previous post. XD
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Old 2011-09-09, 23:44   Link #1471
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I already posted the kanji from wiki Japanese 斎藤 is a family name and not a given name.
If that kanji is strictly used as a family name then they could have a family relationship after all.
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Old 2011-09-09, 23:48   Link #1472
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If that kanji is strictly used as a family name then they could have a family relationship after all.
As I have posted earlier it's a fairly popular family name.
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Old 2011-09-11, 03:35   Link #1473
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Old 2011-09-11, 03:40   Link #1474
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So, the reason Yui is so laid back is because her brain overheats when she thinks too seriously for too long?
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Old 2011-09-11, 04:35   Link #1475
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And about the genre of HTT... well.. it's rock for sure, although I have no idea what kind of rock specifically.
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Old 2011-09-11, 06:25   Link #1478
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So, the reason Yui is so laid back is because her brain overheats when she thinks too seriously for too long?
In Japanese it's called Chie netsu(知恵熱) or rough translation intelligence fever.

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Not quite sure what to make of this chapter. Where is Kakifly going with this? For a moment, I thought they were going to discuss going pro, but then it became about a battle of the bands... How does that work, exactly? In any case, I hope this leads to HTT deciding they actually do want to go pro. Them making their professional debut would make a nice ending for the series, and I can't really think of an ending that'd work better (graduation, again?).
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About that butler naming.......

You're not supposed to call even your servants by their personal names, unless you are in a very intimate relationship with them (and usually around similar ages). Some people might be mislead by the use of personal names in anime, but that's because the relationship had already reached the point of being very close.
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