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Old 2012-05-09, 00:07   Link #1321
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Plus just shows how Diablo can really mess with people...or angels.
I like it that he made fun of the Archangels' so-called unity.

Ironically, I find that the three Prime Evil Brothers have the most cohesion among all the Supernatural beings.
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Old 2012-05-09, 00:34   Link #1322
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I'm not sure what "sacrilege" was committed and that kind of throws off the whole video unfortunately... How is killing Diablo sacrilege? Seemed to me he just acted a bit rashly.
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Old 2012-05-09, 00:41   Link #1323
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I'm not sure what "sacrilege" was committed and that kind of throws off the whole video unfortunately... How is killing Diablo sacrilege? Seemed to me he just acted a bit rashly.
Apparently, you don't execute prisoners on the spot.
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Old 2012-05-09, 00:46   Link #1324
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Apparently, you don't execute prisoners on the spot.
It's not like he's a criminal or something. He is evil; their eternal enemy. He wasn't going to go to trial; they were going to figure out a way to keep him out of the picture longer... Imperious just got a bit hot-headed. How is Diablo letting himself be killed by him some great trap? Doesn't make any sense to me...
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Old 2012-05-09, 00:52   Link #1325
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There's probably some plan Diablo's got hidden away. Remember, the last time he pulled off something like that, Diablo instigated the Sin War that eventually got one of his brothers the chance to corrupt the Worldstone.
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Old 2012-05-09, 00:55   Link #1326
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How is Diablo letting himself be killed by him some great trap? Doesn't make any sense to me...
"So much for your unity..."

That was one of his last words.

I believe by goading Imperious into killing him against the wishes of the other Archangels, he has planted the seed that would drive them apart.
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Old 2012-05-09, 00:58   Link #1327
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"So much for your unity..."

That was one of his last words.

I believe by gloating Imperious into killing him against the wishes of the other Archangels, he has planted the seed that would drive them apart.
Yeah, my whole point is that it seems a little weak. Not worth being killed over, certainly... unless the angels are EXTREMELY uptight and have never differed over anything... which I doubt.
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Old 2012-05-09, 01:04   Link #1328
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Yeah, my whole point is that it seems a little weak. Not worth being killed over, certainly... unless the angels are EXTREMELY uptight and have never differed over anything... which I doubt.
Who knows? They said that it's not up to them to decide, but it would certain make them trust him less now that they have seen him act against their wishes.

You say he just acted rash, but that decision cost him the lives of his soldiers and almost his own. How much can you trust him after that?
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Old 2012-05-09, 01:08   Link #1329
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"So much for your unity..."

That was one of his last words.

I believe by gloating Imperious into killing him against the wishes of the other Archangels, he has planted the seed that would drive them apart.
I think you mean goading, not gloating.
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Old 2012-05-09, 01:09   Link #1330
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Tyrael has a good point: Killing diablo does not work - as he will just return some day in the future.
Imperious knows that - that killing diablo is freeing him. Yet he chooses to do so...



I want to see what effects shattering the world stone has (breaking the barriers) on sanctuary.
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Old 2012-05-09, 01:11   Link #1331
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I thought it was said really clearly that killing Diablo is a bad choice because he would return to the world somewhere again since he can't be killed off, instead he should be imprisoned.

Imperius leading the army to death and killing Diablo anyway because of his own rage and vengeance shows that his emotions have been manipulated by Diablo into driving conflict between the angels.
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Old 2012-05-09, 01:13   Link #1332
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I think you mean goading, not gloating.
Lol thanks, didn't realize that
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Old 2012-05-09, 01:13   Link #1333
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My problem isn't so much with the events themselves, but with the pacing and dialogue and such... I could buy him losing control of himself and being beguiled by Diablo into giving into anger and vengeance and such if I didn't get the impression that he's been a hothead all along... a line of dialogue indicating differently could have changed this... and another line could have been added indicating why exactly killing or not killing Diablo is significant to the point of sacrilege, etc...

I suppose I shouldn't be overly critiquing a small short that was probably rushed in the first place...
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Old 2012-05-09, 01:17   Link #1334
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I want to see what effects shattering the world stone has (breaking the barriers) on sanctuary.
Well for one, it blew the hell out of Mount Arreat. ._.
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Old 2012-05-09, 01:44   Link #1335
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I like it that he made fun of the Archangels' so-called unity.

Ironically, I find that the three Prime Evil Brothers have the most cohesion among all the Supernatural beings.
It's actually funny, that if you consider everything, the three Prime Evils are actually more reasonable for human beings than majority of High Heavens.

Diablo and his bros wants to corrupt and recruit the human race to defeat the Heavens.
The Lesser Evils despise the human race and instead either wants nothing to do with them, or to enslave them.
High Heavens don't want anything even remotely tainted, and wants the human race wiped.

Hey at least Diablo's tolerant of the idea of co-existing.
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Old 2012-05-09, 01:49   Link #1336
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Well for one, it blew the hell out of Mount Arreat. ._.
I want the unique dialog as barbarian for when I meet Tyrael:
"My ancestors spent generations guarding your precious world stone. You never visited us in all this time, and when you did: you blew up entire mountain killing my kin and everything I lived for, wtf man?"
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Old 2012-05-09, 05:00   Link #1337
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I want the unique dialog as barbarian for when I meet Tyrael:
"My ancestors spent generations guarding your precious world stone. You never visited us in all this time, and when you did: you blew up entire mountain killing my kin and everything I lived for, wtf man?"
Well, technically they failed to guard it ... so have some divine punishment, bearded meatballs!
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Old 2012-05-09, 07:08   Link #1338
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It's so weird. Diablo III is comming out, and I am not even excited. I love D2 to death, but all the media around D3 so far has just disappointed me. And when I tried the game out myself during the beta weekend, my expectations were met exactly. It's basically a streamlined and dumbed down version of Diablo II. I especially dislike the new skillsystem. Oh well, I will probably get it at some point, just because it's Diablo, but right now, I honestly could barely care less. The only thing holding up my hope are the boss battles. But it looks like Titan Quest will remain the best alternative to Diablo II.
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Old 2012-05-09, 07:44   Link #1339
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It's basically a streamlined and dumbed down version of Diablo II. I especially dislike the new skillsystem.
On the new skill system, the only thing I dislike about it compared to D2 is that you can't choose which skills and runes to unlock as you level up. Otherwise though, I feel the new skill system is actually better gameplay wise.

While you can't level up the skills per se, you have more variety in skills due to the rune system (though this only comes to play as you unlock more runes, which isn't really evident in the beta), and the skills deal damage based on your weapons so that it scales to difficulty, unlike the fixed-damage model of many RPG's (like D2 and Skyrim which gimped the higher-difficulty effectiveness of many spells), making skill leveling irrelevant. And while the game does give the impression that you can only assign certain types of abilities to certain buttons, you can remove that limitation by checking "Elective Mode" in the gameplay options. Given that you can now access up to 6 special abilities at once without switching instead of 2 like in D2, this allows for much better spell combos at higher level play. Coupled with the ability to equip up to three different passive skills at higher levels and you have a skill system that's actually more diverse and freeform than D2's.

I'm not really sure how Diablo III is watered down compared to DII otherwise though:

- There are now more components for your armors, including shoulder pads, leggings and wrist attachments that you didn't have in D2.
- Item and inventory management is more or less the same, but with all items taking up only two slots at most.
- You can now craft armors and weapons by breaking down unneeded magical items at a blacksmith, in a more reliable fashion than using the Horadric Cube
- Gemstones are back, and they can be recycled. Instead of the Horadric Cube, you need to go to a Jeweler to do gem combining and removal.
- You can now color your armor using dyes
- Instead of companions with randomly-generated names, you now have followers with their own characters and backstory

Asides from the aforementioned weakness in freedom of choice regarding DIII's skill progression system, the game is otherwise more or less what it should be: an improved DII.
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Old 2012-05-09, 08:10   Link #1340
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Are they still keeping those Charms that you have to keep in your inventory to increase stats?

I hate those most in D2. It's just a great conflict trying to enjoy the game without teleporting back town every 10 minutes
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