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Old 2013-06-11, 07:55   Link #3041
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Both of them are head over heels for each other,hopelessly in love with each other and if you read the summary of Chapter 3 Volume 12 he says ''I have incurable love for her''. If they really did hate each other,the first thing that Kyousuke wouldve done is like threatening her cuz of her secret,tease her etc... but no he gladly offers help,in short both were lying to themselves about how they feel for each other but in the end he said enough,I am not going to lie anymore and then the confession came.
I was already convinved about that. But sometimes it is hard to write it down.
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Old 2013-06-11, 08:01   Link #3042
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Both of them are head over heels for each other,hopelessly in love with each other and if you read the summary of Chapter 3 Volume 12 he says ''I have incurable love for her''. If they really did hate each other,the first thing that Kyousuke wouldve done is like threatening her cuz of her secret,tease her etc... but no he gladly offers help,in short both were lying to themselves about how they feel for each other but in the end he said enough,I am not going to lie anymore and then the confession came.
I don't understand why you are trying to hard to prove that they love each other? This isn't the point of contention for most people or at least for me, it is where they decided to take the relationship after the novel ends, for some of us it is ambiguous no matter what conclusions you draw from what is known as they are all based on assumptions.

The assumption is they lied at a private ceremony to end their relationship but continue it in secret. While the converse to that is they didn't lie about it and still harbor their feelings for each other but choose not to pursue them further, which leads to Kyousuke breaking that promise and Kirino getting mad and wanting life counselling to deal with the situation.
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Old 2013-06-11, 08:15   Link #3043
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I don't understand why you are trying to hard to prove that they love each other? This isn't the point of contention for most people or at least for me, it is where they decided to take the relationship after the novel ends, for some of us it is ambiguous no matter what conclusions you draw from what is known as they are all based on assumptions.

The assumption is they lied at a private ceremony to end their relationship but continue it in secret. While the converse to that is they didn't lie about it and still harbor their feelings for each other but choose not to pursue them further, which leads to Kyousuke breaking that promise and Kirino getting mad and wanting life counselling to deal with the situation.
I can ask you the same question, were is your proof for that?

Knowing that life counseling is a special thing for kirino that she has used to test Kyousuke if he loves her or not. The tsundere reaction to hide her feelings etc. And you came to the conclusion because of the fake wedding that she didnt like the kiss so she wants a life counseling? Sorry but i dont see the logic in that. And it contradicts the reason why Kirino started the life counseling thing.

I know what you mean but have you been paying attention to the whole story? the way kirino acted trough the story? is not the end of volume 12 the same as the beginning of volume 1? but this time she knows he has the same Mutual feelings. It is logical that they would cancel the wedding. Because of the social pressure that it will cause. So they are not stupid. But that doesnt mean that they can't go back to the special live counseling life.

I dont see a reason to think that Kirino wants to start a life counseling because she wants them to be normal siblings. Doesnt fit with the line of the story. Thaking into consideration. That she uses it to express her feelings, and tsundere reaction, sudden kiss etc. Sorry but i dont see a hate reaction from Kirino towards the kiss.
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Old 2013-06-11, 08:21   Link #3044
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I can ask you the same question, were is your proof for that?

Knowing that life counseling is a special thing for kirino that she has used to test Kyousuke if he loves her or not. The tsundere reaction to hide her feelings etc. And you came to the conclusion because of the fake wedding that she didnt like the kiss so she wants a life counseling? Sorry but i dont see the logic in that. And it contradicts the reason why Kirino started the life counseling thing.

I know what you mean but have you been paying attention to the whole story? the way kirino acted trough the story? is it not the same at the end as it started but this time (Mutual love) so it wouldnt be weird if they would continue it in a secret way.

I dont see a reason to think that Kirino wants to start a life counseling because she wants them to be normal siblings. Doesnt fit the story so far.
You are basing that off more assumptions, nothing says the reason she started life counselling was to test if he loves her, whether it turned into that or not later.

I don't see the logic in lying at a wedding ceremony they are the only ones attending... maybe you do though. I never said she wants to return, please read what I type and not what you think I'm saying, I said deal with the situation that could mean they give up on trying to break it off if the ceremony break up was real or Kirino doesn't want to take the next step, at least yet. It isn't hard to understand what I'm saying, and "oh but she's tsundere it's so obvious what she wants" is conclusions based off of thin air used to support your position.
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Old 2013-06-11, 08:24   Link #3045
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I'm working on translating the first parts of Chapter 4, as the Chinese quick translation is online. After quickly going over some passages... in some of them Kirino is just too cute, that I feel a little bit like Kirino in the part from 9:20 onwards in episode 9 of the first season.
Thank you for your effort with translation, thank you
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Old 2013-06-11, 08:24   Link #3046
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You are basing that off more assumptions, nothing says the reason she started life counselling was to test if he loves her, whether it turned into that or not later.

I don't see the logic in lying at a wedding ceremony they are the only ones attending... maybe you do though. I never said she wants to return, please read what I type and not what you think I'm saying, I said deal with the situation that could mean they give up on trying to break it off if the ceremony break up was real or Kirino doesn't want to take the next step, at least yet. It isn't hard to understand and saying oh but she's tsundere it's so obvious what she wants is conclusions based off of thin air used to support your position.
My answer is if you dont want to read novel 1 again. Season 1 episode 1 will give you the answer for her behaviour. And these are not assumptions. These are things that much people on this thread agree with.

But in the end think what you want to think. It is but an opinion of me.
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Old 2013-06-11, 08:27   Link #3047
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My answer is if you dont want to read novel 1 again. Season 1 episode 1 will give you the answer for her behaviour. And these are not assumptions. These are things that much people on this thread agree with.

But in the end think what you want to think. It is but an opinion of me.
Why are you so focused on why she started them? That has so little to do with my point in the first place. Is my position not possible? Everything I said can easily have played out that way you just don't want to admit that there is ambiguity on just where the relationship goes.

Keep the discussion civil all I'm doing is offering an alternate view to a majority opinion.
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Old 2013-06-11, 08:31   Link #3048
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Why are you so focused on why she started them? That has so little to do with my point in the first place. Is my position not possible? Everything I said can easily have played out that way you just don't want to admit that there is ambiguity on just where the relationship goes.

Keep the discussion civil all I'm doing is offering an alternate view to a majority opinion.
have i offended you? did i say that it is forbidden to have this opinion?

I say it is my opinion based on how i have understand everthying trough the story. And i came to this conclusion. And much people have this opinion too.

Have i said in a way that it is forbidden to think the way you want? i am only saying i dont see the logic in your opinion and that is why i said do you have proof. That doesnt mean that i said that is forbidden to think that it ended that way.
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Old 2013-06-11, 08:32   Link #3049
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You say that he is assuming things while you are doing the same thing. I don't know how you can put your ending how true ending while you are rejecting his ending saying that he can't prove it.

Neither of them can be proven.
Hence why I say it is ambiguous what happens...

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have i offended you? did i say that it is forbidden to have this opinion?

I say it is my opinion based on how i have understand everthying trough the story. And i came to this conclusion. And much people have this opinion too.

Have i said in a way that it is forbidden to think the way you want? i am only saying i dont see the logic in your opinion and that is why i said do you have proof. That doesnt mean that i said that is forbidden to think that it ended that way.
Not really offended but everyone loves to pick apart my theory while blissfully disregarding holes I see in the idea that it is cut and dry where they end up. Many of you I assume are Kirino shippers so I mean it's not unclear as to why you want to see it end that way, I like Kirino too but I have a problem with loose ends that I pick out in endings that have ambiguity in my eyes so I want to at least point out the flaws that I see where possible.
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Old 2013-06-11, 08:40   Link #3050
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The autor made this ending for this.

Do you want a happy ending with KyoxKi continuing their relationship? I put a final kiss and she says: What are you waiting for? Keep pace!.

Do you want a ending with Kyosuke and Kirino go back to "normal siblings"? I make that they break up and you interprete that how you want.

All happy.
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Old 2013-06-11, 08:47   Link #3051
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I don't understand why you are trying to hard to prove that they love each other?
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Not really offended but everyone loves to pick apart my theory while blissfully disregarding holes I see in the idea that it is cut and dry where they end up.
I don't understand why you need to keep butting into conversations that clearly didn't involve you, as if they're criticizing you directly. I'm sorry if I seem rude, it's just that you replied to a post that didn't mention your name or "your" theory whatsoever. You're just picking fights now.
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Old 2013-06-11, 08:48   Link #3052
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When she was asked why does she like the Imouto genre eroge:1- they are cute and 2-she loves him but instead says she doesnt know,and to prove my point remember when ayase asked about the figurines and the Imouto-Wife eroge,she got a hint what Kirino is thinking thats why both her a Kuroneko planned to confess to him before graduation. Evidence is scattered everywhere and Im not convinced after coming this far they can forget about all what happened and return ''Normal'' siblings.
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Old 2013-06-11, 08:52   Link #3053
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I don't understand why you are trying to hard to prove that they love each other? This isn't the point of contention for most people or at least for me, it is where they decided to take the relationship after the novel ends, for some of us it is ambiguous no matter what conclusions you draw from what is known as they are all based on assumptions.

The assumption is they lied at a private ceremony to end their relationship but continue it in secret. While the converse to that is they didn't lie about it and still harbor their feelings for each other but choose not to pursue them further, which leads to Kyousuke breaking that promise and Kirino getting mad and wanting life counselling to deal with the situation.
I understand what you mean but, the part of Kirino getting mad at the kiss at the end because of the promise? is something that doesnt fit. And my proof are the reactions of Kirino: live counseling, running away, comming back to look if he follows her.

Yes, you could say this is not a clear ending and that life counseling can go in many ways possible. But about the kiss part and getting mad because of the promise and above that her usual reactions. Sorry i dont see the logic.

EDIT: dont be offended. I respect your interpetation. If you think that i am trying to convince you. That is not my goal.
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Old 2013-06-11, 08:53   Link #3054
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Part 1 Chapter 4, and the story continues:

Spoiler for Part 1 Chapter 4:
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Old 2013-06-11, 08:59   Link #3055
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Part 1 Chapter 4, and the story continues:

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Once again the term ''life counseling'' pops out,again thx for your efforts really appreciated,I think the ending is clearer than before
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Old 2013-06-11, 09:01   Link #3056
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Once again the term ''life counseling'' pops out,again thx for your efforts really appreciated,I think the ending is clearer than before
Áhahhaha, heck even the fake wedding is a part of life counseling.
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Old 2013-06-11, 09:01   Link #3057
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I understand what you mean but, the part of Kirino getting mad at the kiss at the end because of the promise? is something that doesnt fit. And my proof are the reactions of Kirino: live counseling, running away, comming back to look if he follows her.

Yes, you could say this is not a clear ending and that life counseling can go in many ways possible. But about the kiss part and getting mad because of the promise and above that her usual reactions. Sorry i dont see the logic.

EDIT: dont be offended. I respect your interpetation. If you think that i am trying to convince you think this way. That is not my goal.
No you are not being unfair with your viewpoint and not picking a fight and that was never my intention as well.

I'm not saying she "hates" the kiss at all what I'm saying is, assuming the break up was legitimate they made a promise to not pursue it any further(at least for the time being). So she is upset that he's now made it hard for her to do that. My point was never they want to return to "normal siblings" it's that what avenue they take with their relationship isn't clear be it take it to the next step or hold off.

Assuming the breakup at the church was indeed fake, which to me is illogical because it was a private ceremony her promise probably has more to do with they would never do things like that in public which supports the theory most of you hold. The church part is my biggest point of contention here, the rest of the events can be explained for one reason or another.
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Old 2013-06-11, 09:07   Link #3058
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Promises are made to be broken. They might change their minds, but we won't know it until the timeskip.
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Old 2013-06-11, 09:08   Link #3059
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Promises are made to be broken. They might change their minds, but we won't know it until the timeskip.
Hence why at this point it's entirely up to the reader to decide considering the time skip may not even provide any useful information.
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Old 2013-06-11, 09:10   Link #3060
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Hence why at this point it's entirely up to the reader to decide considering the time skip may not even provide any useful information.
The timeskip will probably just pile on new questions
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