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Old 2013-06-16, 11:15   Link #3721
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This. I think they will fit the entire volume into the last TV episode. The entire process of him convincing Sakurai can be shortened, the most important thing of the Sakurai story is her injury with the crushing effect on Kyousuke. It will probably have the feeling of being a little bit rushed, but I don't mind as long as volume 12 gets the time.
So there will be no actual conclusion or will they add stuff to make it somewhat clearer?
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Old 2013-06-16, 11:18   Link #3722
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So there will be no actual conclusion or will they add stuff to make it somewhat clearer?
There will probably be a cliffhanger at the end of the TV run and not a conclusion. Most likely after Kyousuke saying there is someone else he loves. The OVA's probably will cover all of volume 12.
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Old 2013-06-16, 11:24   Link #3723
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But is it really possible to cover a whole Volume in one episode?
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Old 2013-06-16, 11:28   Link #3724
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But is it really possible to cover a whole Volume in one episode?
Honestly not a lot truly happens in volume 11, preface it with a few minutes at Manami's with their talk. A little over half the episode can be used discussing the past Kyousuke, cutting out less than necessary scenes, then the reuniting and confession at the end. Alternatively they can make the first OVA have a bit of the volume 11 story if it's too confusing to cut down so much.
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Old 2013-06-16, 11:38   Link #3725
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If this is truly a happy ending for Kirino and Kyousuke, or not, I'm not sure. In order to not get seperated by their parents, if they find out, they have to hide some part of their love and seal it away deep down their heart. They both know, how much they love eachother, but as for my part, I wouldn't be satisfied just by this. Not at all.
You can look at the break up like this. Just because their not dating doesn't mean they no longer have each other. They still love each other and have a much better relationship now then 3 years ago. The two don't need to be a couple for all of that.
They have a lot common now with a go group a friends too.
Turning down the other girl is more like not cheating to me. You can't or shouldn't go with one and have another on the side. That's not right to do with ether of the girls.
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Old 2013-06-16, 11:39   Link #3726
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Honestly not a lot truly happens in volume 11, preface it with a few minutes at Manami's with their talk. A little over half the episode can be used discussing the past Kyousuke, cutting out less than necessary scenes, then the reuniting and confession at the end. Alternatively they can make the first OVA have a bit of the volume 11 story if it's too confusing to cut down so much.
Well in the first chapter of volume 11 the only part that is important is when Kirino starts talking to Kyousuke of how she was a brocon back then (she is one till now, a massive one) and the following 2 chapters are flashbacks and the final chapter is where the scene the story of their ''cold war'' concludes, a little bit of an only Kirino-Manami understand talk and the reunion of Sakurai and Kyousuke,apologies and the rejection. Will it fit?
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Old 2013-06-16, 11:46   Link #3727
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Well in the first chapter of volume 11 the only part that is important is when Kirino starts talking to Kyousuke of how she was a brocon back then (she is one till now, a massive one) and the following 2 chapters are flashbacks and the final chapter is where the scene the story of their ''cold war'' concludes, a little bit of an only Kirino-Manami understand talk and the reunion of Sakurai and Kyousuke,apologies and the rejection. Will it fit?
It really depends on just how much flashback they want to show and how they approach the scenes. Since basically the majority of events of the 11th volume are all things that already happened and you don't need to show every aspect of Kyousuke's interactions with Sakurai. Sakurai getting hurt is important and also Manami telling Kyousuke to stop trying to be so amazing when he cries about his grandma dying, Sakurai being hurt, and being unable to comfort Kirino when she's sad. The apology and rejection seems like a logical cliffhanger to set up the OVAs.
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Old 2013-06-16, 11:48   Link #3728
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Well in the first chapter of volume 11 the only part that is important is when Kirino starts talking to Kyousuke of how she was a brocon back then (she is one till now, a massive one) and the following 2 chapters are flashbacks and the final chapter is where the scene the story of their ''cold war'' concludes, a little bit of an only Kirino-Manami understand talk and the reunion of Sakurai and Kyousuke,apologies and the rejection. Will it fit?
It is going to be a tough one, but it is not impossible. Furthermore, as tommythecat says, ending the TV series with Vol.11 would provide the cliffhanger producers always like.

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You can look at the break up like this. Just because their not dating doesn't mean they no longer have each other. They still love each other and have a much better relationship now then 3 years ago. The two don't need to be a couple for all of that.
They have a lot common now with a go group a friends too.
Turning down the other girl is more like not cheating to me. You can't or shouldn't go with one and have another on the side. That's not right to do with ether of the girls.
As I have laid out in this post: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=3675 my view is similar. Even though they may be not going out, doing the couples' stuff like kissing, holding hands etc. they are still together romantically. In my interpretation, their relationship has been sealed by the wedding ceremony. Internally (whether one sees that as 'in secret', or 'in their hearts'), they are a married couple. That is also why Kyousuke doesn't regret rejecting all those other girls, and why Kirino has no problem with the apparent break-up, even though she always said that she wanted to be with the one she loves forever.
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Old 2013-06-16, 11:58   Link #3729
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It is going to be a tough one, but it is not impossible. Furthermore, as tommythecat says, ending the TV series with Vol.11 would provide the cliffhanger producers always like.



As I have laid out in this post: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=3675 my view is similar. Even though they may be not going out, doing the couples' stuff like kissing, holding hands etc. they are still together romantically. In my interpretation, their relationship has been sealed by the wedding ceremony. Internally (whether one sees that as 'in secret', or 'in their hearts'), they are a married couple. That is also why Kyousuke doesn't regret rejecting all those other girls, and why Kirino has no problem with the apparent break-up, even though she always said that she wanted to be with the one she loves forever.
Remember the dream Kyousuke had when they both were roommates,even tho Kyousuke there was hopeless and being fed by Kirino lol but its a dream. I think that he in the future will become Kirino's manager for her model work in Europe and they start living there together,well,be it in a relationship or not I dont know. I think Kanako said that''he might become your boring plain manager in 10 year time'' back in S1 right?
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Old 2013-06-16, 12:13   Link #3730
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Remember the dream Kyousuke had when they both were roommates,even tho Kyousuke there was hopeless and being fed by Kirino lol but its a dream. I think that he in the future will become Kirino's manager for her model work in Europe and they start living there together,well,be it in a relationship or not I dont know. I think Kanako said that''he might become your boring plain manager in 10 year time'' back in S1 right?
Who knows? Until the autor give us a mini-novel thant ends this ending with a "they are living together 10 years after the ending", we don't know what happens with them.
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Old 2013-06-16, 12:13   Link #3731
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Talking about the situation of the ending..
It is not uncommon, that artists/creaters leave an ending somewhat open, so that as many fans as possible can be satisfied. In most cases, I hate it. This time, it is a bit different and more complex.
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Old 2013-06-16, 12:25   Link #3732
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Talking about the situation of the ending..
It is not uncommon, that artists/creaters leave an ending somewhat open, so that as many fans as possible can be satisfied. In most cases, I hate it. This time, it is a bit different and more complex.
I still don't really like them but it's not hard to see why it's left a little open. There is enough evidence to say their relationship continues to evolve and the break up at the wedding was more of a symbolic gesture. There is also the possibility while they do love each other very much that it can never truly escalate beyond that for the safety and welfare of each other because of society or because the important parts of romantic love such as sex or children are not on their mind or their ultimate goal. They are just both very important to each other and want to always be together.
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Old 2013-06-16, 12:26   Link #3733
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Who knows? Until the autor give us a mini-novel thant ends this ending with a "they are living together 10 years after the ending", we don't know what happens with them.
Well thats how I see it for these two in able to stay together without crossing the line of them being siblings. I also think its logical given the information ,but thats my view and if this were the ending I'll be more than happy.
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Old 2013-06-16, 12:56   Link #3734
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Well thats how I see it for these two in able to stay together without crossing the line of them being siblings. I also think its logical given the information ,but thats my view and if this were the ending I'll be more than happy.
Internalize the love and never do anything is so sad and none can do it, they gonna have hints like in the ending and more if they still love each other.

They can internalize their love for years but when they become adults, love is love and they are no childrens, they could live together or something without parents (Incest or not, they are a couple, fuck the society). You agree that is nice that they have romatic feels, so what is the problem?

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Old 2013-06-16, 13:07   Link #3735
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^ I don't care either way.

What I thought, when I saw the illustration with Kirino and Kyousuke in the church, that they would burn-out(hope that is the right word) and marry in another country, where nobody knows them and they don't have to hold back.
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^ I don't care either way.

What I thought, when I saw the illustration with Kirino and Kyousuke in the church, that they would burn-out(hope that is the right word) and marry in another country, where nobody knows them and they don't have to hold back.
Where? I want to see it
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Old 2013-06-16, 13:14   Link #3737
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^ I don't care either way.

What I thought, when I saw the illustration with Kirino and Kyousuke in the church, that they would burn-out(hope that is the right word) and marry in another country, where nobody knows them and they don't have to hold back.
The word your looking for is "eloping", and I think Kyousuke may actually be ready to consider such a thing.
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Old 2013-06-16, 13:17   Link #3738
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The word your looking for is "eloping", and I think Kyousuke may actually be ready to consider such a thing.
Where did Kyosuke say it?
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Old 2013-06-16, 13:21   Link #3739
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Well thats how I see it for these two in able to stay together without crossing the line of them being siblings. I also think its logical given the information ,but thats my view and if this were the ending I'll be more than happy.
One thing that is clear to me about this novel. There is no possibility for them to end with somebody else. Kyousuke shot the door for other options and he didn't regret it and there is no evidence that Kirino showed interest in other man beside her brother. So why would she do it now? The author has closed other routes 100%. In volume 12.

I see the wedding ceremony. As a real wedding. A wedding that took place between them and is sealed in there hearths and not by law or society. The part of mikigami is important to understand this point of view. It is a secret between them that must not be shared with the world.

We don't know how it will go in the future and how it plays out. But them going back to full siblings, I don't think so. Maybe in society they are siblings but in there hearths they are connected in a romantic way. The kiss of kyousuke (even if it is like: he gets an A on the mock exam, she will do anything for him). This Is something that can't be tossed away just like that (looking for evidence). It has a purpose. And Kirino didn't reject it. After this point........................we Don't have a clue what happens.

But they will try to think for a way to stay together forever through life counseling.
Because like I said the doors are closed. Because they closed them completely to being able to choose something else. Besides if they separte (get married with sombody else). What the hell is the purpose of an agreement?

I think the purpose of the agreement is a security law between them to not destroy there future to being together forever. That is what they want. If Kirino wants all her wishes to be true that she had on her IPOD. Dating sombody else or ending living separete lifes. Is not the solution.

Here is the recording about what she asks about her future self. And Kyousuke also listend to this:

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They thought about it together to solve this problems.

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Old 2013-06-16, 13:25   Link #3740
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I've been digesting this ending for awhile now, and I still can't say whether I like it or hate it, so I'll go with indifferent for now.

Personally, I have no issues with incest, as they make for good and cute stories, however this one is different. When I came into this series about a year ago, it literally destroyed my expectations. I expected a series literally named in english as "My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute" to have incest and one thing I really liked was that it didn't. It was just a brother and sister with an estranged relationship at the start and the series was about them becoming closer, so much so that Kirino helped Kyousuke with Kuroneko just like he helped her early in Oreimo. It felt like they were coming very close brother and sister, and I really enjoyed that and when Kuroneko confessed to Kyousuke and he agreed, I was really into it.

It was a story that never felt like it would turn to incest, but as it went on, you had so many girls who loved Kyousuke and there was only one of him, so I knew many girls would be disappointed.

However, the last volume really changed expectations again. Not only did we get into an incestual type of relationship, but all the girls are rejected. Then, all of a sudden the two agree to become normal siblings after graduation. I kind of felt it was an insult, not only to me as a reader and watcher of the anime, but also to the girls in the story and the series in general. He goes out and rejects all the girls, confesses to his sister, than that relationship just goes back to normal? Kind of feels like a waste of time. All this build up and they just go back to "normal siblings." Just feels wrong and is insult to the girls who confessed to him and were rejected for his sister. It also has me asking "Why?" about the whole thing. Like why confess and then just go back to "normal siblings." There's no way going to back normal after all that anyways.

Of course, it doesn't help that series I've read and watched lately have ending horribly IMO. The Usagi Drop manga was one that ended similar to this, except it was more extreme and out of nowhere and I'm still bitter about that, as well as the Negima ending that I'm bitter against as well, though I understand the complications for it.

I guess I just wish that the author would have chosen a girl for Kyousuke beyond his sister. There are Kuroneko fans, Ayase fans, Maname fans, etc. among the readers and the chosen girl would make fans of the others mad, but it would at least be a choice for Kyousuke that people can respect, especially since the relationship with the sister was well and good. There was really no reason for the incest arc to further the relationship. It was good enough as it was. I also wish that the expectations that I got when I first read the story were kept broken and not reformed as they were.

So, those are just my thoughts. I'll keep on letting it stew and I'll wait for a DEFINITE conclusion when the ten year time skip comes.
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