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Old 2013-06-22, 18:51   Link #3921
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In the novel, Did Kyosuke reject Ayase?
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Old 2013-06-22, 19:35   Link #3922
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In the novel, Did Kyosuke reject Ayase?
Yes he rejected her in volume 12

EDIT: Just watched episode 12. Didn't expect that. They put the rejection of Ayase that happened at volume 12 with the story of volume 10.
The kiss is on the cheeks (we had a discussion about that, but now it is clear). The confession and the rejection felt a bit too rushed for me.
But they don't have much time. Looks like this is the last episode that we will see Ayase (if they follow the novel 100%).

I think episode 13 will be about volume 11 for sure and like relentlessflame said. I also think that it will end in a cliffhanger.

The title preview:

This is the first time that Kirino read the title of the next week episode. Normally, kyousuke is the one who does it.

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Old 2013-06-22, 20:25   Link #3923
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If and only if volume 12 is dedicated to three episodes, then the team might, just might be able to pull off the adaptation. I doubt it however.
Volume 12 is probably the most polar of the volumes since volume 8, so I will expect to see a lot of criticisms when it gets adapted. I still think a good portion of the fanbase considers Kirino pre-volume 8 to be the second coming of Satan(Yea I'm exaggerating here) and may still even think so to this day so that doesn't help much in that regard. Thankfully the criticism here isn't that bad, but I know some who will have very vocal criticisms about the ending.
EDIT: mixed up post and pre, sorry.
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Old 2013-06-22, 21:06   Link #3924
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If and only if volume 12 is dedicated to three episodes, then the team might, just might be able to pull off the adaptation. I doubt it however.
Volume 12 is probably the most polar of the volumes since volume 8, so I will expect to see a lot of criticisms when it gets adapted. I still think a good portion of the fanbase considers Kirino pre-volume 8 to be the second coming of Satan(Yea I'm exaggerating here) and may still even think so to this day so that doesn't help much in that regard. Thankfully the criticism here isn't that bad, but I know some who will have very vocal criticisms about the ending.
EDIT: mixed up post and pre, sorry.
As a Kirino shipper I am already satisfied about how the novel ended. The author already confirmed it, about Kirino her feelings/behavior and also about that he wanted a Kirino ending from the start.

This interview made me accept the ending much more and confirmed much things about why he choose to do this kind of ending.

This story can only be fully enjoyed by reading the entire novel. The anime is fun but even if they don't adept whole of volume 12. I wouldn't care that much. But hopefully they will do the Christmas date, wedding and the two kisses at least.

About the criticisms? Let them say what they want. They don't know how great this story is
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Old 2013-06-22, 21:27   Link #3925
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As a Kirino shipper I am already satisfied about how the novel ended. The author already confirmed it, about Kirino her feelings/behavior and also about that he wanted a Kirino ending from the start.

This interview made me accept the ending much more and confirmed much things about why he choose to do this kind of ending.

This story can only be fully enjoyed by reading the entire novel. The anime is fun but even if they don't adept whole of volume 12. I wouldn't care that much. But hopefully they will do the Christmas date, wedding and the two kisses at least.

About the criticisms? Let them say what they want. They don't know how great this story is
I have no problem with the criticisms, its just other people may have a problem with them. That can lead to a lot of arguments to occur and other stuff to happen. The Valverave forums is one of the reasons why I don't post a lot there( my opinions get drowned out or I feel unconformable posting there for some reason. T.T)
Problem is that Kirino has two things against her: The sibling card and the "super tsundere" personality which can deter a lot of people from shipping her. There's a reason I say that a portion of the fanbase sees her as the second coming of Satan. I even seen comments that compared her to Hitler. Yea.......
The addition of harem elements to the story slightly degraded it in the eyes of those who dislike or are tired of harem after harem. Certain people tend to dislike harem protaganists for being a doormat shall we say. In terms of the plot moving forward and remaining enjoyable, it went up and down, focused on a character that a vocal portion of the fanbase disliked and implemented certain characteristics in the characters to deter some people from liking them.
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Old 2013-06-22, 21:36   Link #3926
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I have no problem with the criticisms, it just other people may have a problem with them. That can lead to a lot of arguments to occur and other stuff to happen. The Valverave forums is one of the reasons why I don't post a lot there( my opinions get drowned out or I feel unconformable posting there for some reason. T.T)
i know what you mean noooo but shoko, nooooo but saki, noooo..................

It was just recently that i began to post on this thread (oreimo novel). And i must say, I feel much more at ease, posting on this thread instead of others.
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Old 2013-06-22, 21:59   Link #3927
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i know what you mean noooo but shoko, nooooo but saki, noooo..................

It was just recently that i began to post on this thread (oreimo novel). And i must say, I feel much more at ease, posting on this thread instead of others.
That moment when you realize that there isn't much more to say about the light novel since it ended. Now I feel like I did when Shakugan no Shana ended.
P.S. I dislike blind arguments and bashing, but I encourage debates and different opinions for the sake of making a more interesting discussion.
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Old 2013-06-22, 22:04   Link #3928
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Problem is that Kirino has two things against her: The sibling card and the "super tsundere" personality which can deter a lot of people from shipping her. There's a reason I say that a portion of the fanbase sees her as the second coming of Satan. I even seen comments that compared her to Hitler. Yea.......
Actually, I kind of expect that. I mean, she got romantic feeling toward her own brother. Even she knew that she shouldn't have that. So I always saw her tsuntsun side as a realistic way to deal with her feeling (ie: deny everything)
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Old 2013-06-22, 22:19   Link #3929
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Actually, I kind of expect that. I mean, she got romantic feeling toward her own brother. Even she knew that she shouldn't have that. So I always saw her tsuntsun side as a realistic way to deal with her feeling (ie: deny everything)
The problem involves the fact the super tsun shield was portrayed in a negative light and prevented people from actually liking her character. The adaptation imo, weakened Kyousuke's and Kirino's character considerably due to certain reason, ergo Kyousuke became the "doormat" and Kirino became the "bitch".

The light novels did a good job, I think, with the progression of the characters. If you look at the series as a slice of life with romantic elements, then I think that can provide a mindset where you can better understand the series since the first half of the series focused on the slice of life aspects while the second half of the series focused on the romance with volume 12 providing the close to the slice of life and romantic aspects of the story.
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Old 2013-06-23, 00:47   Link #3930
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I think a problem for Kirino's reputation is the fact, that the story is told out of the perspective of Kyousuke (no matter LN or anime). So therefore we practically never (or seldomly) get to see the great sides of Kirino while she interacts with her friends or while at work at all. We get to see like 90% tsun-tsun towards Kyousuke, with many people not seeing the reason for her behaviour, 5% embarrassment and 5% her good side.
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Old 2013-06-23, 01:56   Link #3931
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I think a problem for Kirino's reputation is the fact, that the story is told out of the perspective of Kyousuke (no matter LN or anime). So therefore we practically never (or seldomly) get to see the great sides of Kirino
I wish a lot of people would get this. Well only now Kyousuke side of the story and the show tell us. Kirino comes off bitchy or sweet, but calling her prefect is to much.
Hell if the story opened up more we'd see how much work the other girls put in to what they do. Seeing as it's one sided we only get to know about three of the girls well four with the final part on Ayase.

one last thing everyone talks about how harsh Kyousuke was with the girl.
All of the affliction the girl show is never returned by Kyousyke. He only shows love for two of the girls and keep the rest to himself. So the others don't have that bond make it easier for them to get over it. Yes Ayase spends a great amount of time with him but not as a couple. Only Ruri has that link with him making it harder for her to move on. It won't help hanging out with them even if she dose understands the two the most.

I hope I typed this the way I was thinking it
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Old 2013-06-23, 02:02   Link #3932
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I think a problem for Kirino's reputation is the fact, that the story is told out of the perspective of Kyousuke (no matter LN or anime). So therefore we practically never (or seldomly) get to see the great sides of Kirino while she interacts with her friends or while at work at all. We get to see like 90% tsun-tsun towards Kyousuke, with many people not seeing the reason for her behaviour, 5% embarrassment and 5% her good side.
I don't know why can't they devote a episode on Kirino, showing her personality and behavior at school and works. That would have emphasised a lots on her struggle against honest feeling around Kyousuke
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Old 2013-06-23, 02:21   Link #3933
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Don't worry people,we will get an episode full of a younger Kirino and see how was her relationship with her brother. The hate on Kirino mostly comes from anime-only viewers,while LN readers know why she is doing this(although not in the first season but you got hints), and its really hard to force yourself to hate the person you love and act accordingly.
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Old 2013-06-23, 03:06   Link #3934
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As a Kirino shipper I am already satisfied about how the novel ended. The author already confirmed it, about Kirino her feelings/behavior and also about that he wanted a Kirino ending from the start.

This interview made me accept the ending much more and confirmed much things about why he choose to do this kind of ending.

This story can only be fully enjoyed by reading the entire novel. The anime is fun but even if they don't adept whole of volume 12. I wouldn't care that much. But hopefully they will do the Christmas date, wedding and the two kisses at least.

About the criticisms? Let them say what they want. They don't know how great this story is
What interview? Did the author imply an ending where they DO end up getting together? I feel so sad and depressed right now due to this ending, idk. Never watching a slice of life show again, I get too into it(this show is probably the most I've ever been into anything), and then this happens.

EDIT: You mean the PSP Cop out ending interview right? Man I feel so sad, like I don't even want to walk around anymore, and my heart feels heavy. I know its not a particularly sad story objectively, but this set set of characters, I've grown extremely attached to them. I've read all of Game of Thrones(all the books) and even IT didn't make me feel like this. Steins;Gate made me feel worse though.

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Old 2013-06-23, 03:22   Link #3935
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What interview? Did the author imply an ending where they DO end up getting together? I feel so sad and depressed right now due to this ending, idk. Never watching a slice of life show again, I get too into it(this show is probably the most I've ever been into anything), and then this happens.

EDIT: You mean the PSP Cop out ending interview right? Man I feel so sad, like I don't even want to walk around anymore, and my heart feels heavy. I know its not a particularly sad story objectively, but this set set of characters, I've grown extremely attached to them. I've read all of Game of Thrones(all the books) and even IT didn't make me feel like this. Steins;Gate made me feel worse though.
We all know that feeling bro, the best you can do is to just go through it, even I'm
still trying to cope with this, although for it ended with the girl, I feel it lacks closure.
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Old 2013-06-23, 03:49   Link #3936
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We all know that feeling bro, the best you can do is to just go through it, even I'm
still trying to cope with this, although for it ended with the girl, I feel it lacks closure.
I wish they could have just gotten together at the end, if not her then Ruri or Ayae, but this ending makes me super depressed. I was rooting for Kirino all along, only for it to end like this. I'll watch the PSP playthroughs I suppose, and get my Ayase and Ruri ending, although that feels like a cop out to my own feelings. No more new anime after this season for a long time I think for me. Back to regular books(Asimov)
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Old 2013-06-23, 04:07   Link #3937
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I wish they could have just gotten together at the end, if not her then Ruri or Ayae, but this ending makes me super depressed. I was rooting for Kirino all along, only for it to end like this. I'll watch the PSP playthroughs I suppose, and get my Ayase and Ruri ending, although that feels like a cop out to my own feelings. No more new anime after this season for a long time I think for me. Back to regular books(Asimov)
Well, they do end up together. This "going back to siblings" is more for their outward behaviour, than for their inward feelings and relationship. And the author has implied in the interview that the reason he couldn't go all out was restrictions imposed by the publisher.
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Old 2013-06-23, 04:12   Link #3938
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Well, they do end up together. This "going back to siblings" is more for their outward behaviour, than for their inward feelings and relationship. And the author has implied in the interview that the reason he couldn't go all out was restrictions imposed by the publisher.
That makes me feel a lot better. Hopefully he can do a full followup one day, without having to consider the publisher. Isn't he already really popular?
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Old 2013-06-23, 04:18   Link #3939
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That makes me feel a lot better. Hopefully he can do a full followup one day, without having to consider the publisher. Isn't he already really popular?
I don't think it is possible to ignore the demands from publisher and supervision. If you are interested in it, here is my interpretation of the ending:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=3675
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That makes me feel a lot better. Hopefully he can do a full followup one day, without having to consider the publisher. Isn't he already really popular?
If you go for a full on incest marriage or something that gets you blacklisted
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