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Old 2013-06-27, 07:47   Link #4001
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I'm rather curious how many manga adaptations of light novels actually get *finished*. Take a 10 volume LN series and turn it into a manga ... might just double the amount of pages? I''m following the manga version of Spice&Wolf and it has years to go at the speed it is going to cover the contents of the series.
They seems to go really slow pace, plus being low priority like being serialized in monthly magazines (and monthly mangas are so painfully slow).

In Oreimo's case, the manga, before going on hiatus, had 4 volumes which adapted the first 3 volumes of the novel. it had 26 chapters, so around 9 chapter per volume, so one LN volume adapted each 9 months. But that was enough time sometimes for the writer to already have released 2 volumes of the novel.

And in cases like that, with how slow it is and with the LNs getting too much ahead (and i guess specially in cases where the LNs are big, with 10+ volumes) I think most mangas end up never covering the whole series because after some time the interest and hype in that series die down.
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Old 2013-06-27, 08:08   Link #4002
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That third pic seems to be something related to Fushimi
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Old 2013-06-27, 08:13   Link #4003
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No, I get that. I'm not gettng how Tenchi-kun was saying this implies they could end up with someone else?
Love doesn't last forever, it's possible they stay by each other's side in one form or another and fall out of romantic love.
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Old 2013-06-27, 08:14   Link #4004
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Once those more confident in their jap can clarify, it's saying that his next work may be related to ore no imouto.
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Old 2013-06-27, 08:16   Link #4005
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Once those more confident in their jap can clarify, it's saying that his next work may be related to ore no imouto.
That'd be nice, I really don't want Oreimo to end. Keep the universe alive!
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Old 2013-06-27, 08:30   Link #4006
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Love doesn't last forever, it's possible they stay by each other's side in one form or another and fall out of romantic love.
In some cases love lasts forever. Of course, your opinion is it doesn't, but I'm on the other side of the fence with the ones that says it does .
Everyone has the right to an opinion, no?
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Old 2013-06-27, 08:31   Link #4007
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Love doesn't last forever, it's possible they stay by each other's side in one form or another and fall out of romantic love.
Well, this fact is something only very few fictiounous love stories follow.
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Old 2013-06-27, 08:34   Link #4008
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He isn't saying that stop loving each other tommythecat is providing the possibility of them growing out of romantic love, it might be late but as the say better late then never. It is entirely possible.
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Old 2013-06-27, 08:59   Link #4009
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In some cases love lasts forever. Of course, your opinion is it doesn't, but I'm on the other side of the fence with the ones that says it does .
Everyone has the right to an opinion, no?
I worded that poorly, yes of course people can stay in love forever! I know some friends with parents still together all the way from HS.

I just mean from the standpoint of teenage crushes, how many of those last beyond and continue forever? Decidedly few but as SigUp points out fiction typically has "happily ever after" attached, that doesn't necessarily mean kids in their future but it doesn't discount the possibility
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Old 2013-06-27, 09:16   Link #4010
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Love doesn't last forever, it's possible they stay by each other's side in one form or another and fall out of romantic love.
In my opinion. I think this love will last forever. Because kirino and Kyousuke have shut every possibility do date someone else. And there mutual feelings are the same till the end. The fact that the Author wanted to pull a if route like ending. But couldn't do this. But he wanted to do something with Kirino her feelings but couldn't do this clearly. Implies to me that he wants to let them be together forever. So I don't have a reason to think that they will break up. How will this love play out in the future?......... I don't know. Everything is possible....

Well in real life everything is possible and yes they could break up. But in my opinion: I think Oreimo is not that kind of story who deserves that kind of ending.

I am on the side of the ones who say: 'it will continue' (this love).

Well, in the end it is just my personal opinion on how I understand the ending.
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Old 2013-06-27, 11:14   Link #4011
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Love doesn't last forever, it's possible they stay by each other's side in one form or another and fall out of romantic love.
Well, I'd say the fact that they've had strong romantic feelings for each other all their lives, and that the status quo at the beginning of the novels was only due to Manami's sabotage points to them being likely to be together forever.

I mean, we could say Kyosuke might move to South America and become a terrorist guerilla in the future, but there's nothing in the novels to support a plot development like that, either!
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Old 2013-06-27, 11:22   Link #4012
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Well, I'd say the fact that they've had strong romantic feelings for each other all their lives, and that the status quo at the beginning of the novels was only due to Manami's sabotage points to them being likely to be together forever.

I mean, we could say Kyosuke might move to South America and become a terrorist guerilla in the future, but there's nothing in the novels to support a plot development like that, either!
There is a real difference between romantic feelings and preteen sibling infatuation. Romantic feelings of love are pretty much none existent during that phase of life outside of kids liking each other and the only way they know that is expressed is through marriage because they want to be together forever(sound familiar). The elementary school promise of marriage is a pretty common trope in anime.

Saying there is no evidence to support a tamer relationship going forward for them is pretty disingenuous.
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Old 2013-06-27, 12:42   Link #4013
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There is a real difference between rit's thntithat neither gs and preteen sibling infatuation. Romantic feelings of love are pretty much none existent during that phase of life outside of kids liking each other and the only way they know that is expressed is through marriage because they want to be together forever(sound familiar). The elementary school promise of marriage is a pretty common trope in anime.

Saying there is no evidence to support a tamer relationship going forward for them is pretty disingenuous.
I couldn't agree more. If one thing is clear from the ending it's that neither of them is certain what the rules need to be or where they go from here. They're aware of the risks involved in openly pursuing a romantic relationship at their ages and they are not willing to bear those consequences. At the same time, they finally understand one another and can be happy together.

That doesn't answer the question of what they'll do once they're both adults, and it shouldn't because they don't know that answer yet. It's a huge decision and they have years to consider it first. I find this far more satisfying than an assertion that everything eventually works out. Their story as adults, whether they are lovers or not, is going to be complicated. It would only work as the plot of a new series, not as the epilogue to this one.

I'd read it.
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Old 2013-06-27, 12:46   Link #4014
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Once those more confident in their jap can clarify, it's saying that his next work may be related to ore no imouto.
The only real point they're highlighting in that little snippet is that he's working on his next story, that the Internet will be a major component in it, and he thinks it will also have an imouto character (though he doesn't say in what sort of role).

At this point, it's still very vague, but it's not implying it's related to this franchise/universe.
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Old 2013-06-27, 14:56   Link #4015
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I couldn't agree more. If one thing is clear from the ending it's that neither of them is certain what the rules need to be or where they go from here. They're aware of the risks involved in openly pursuing a romantic relationship at their ages and they are not willing to bear those consequences. At the same time, they finally understand one another and can be happy together.

That doesn't answer the question of what they'll do once they're both adults, and it shouldn't because they don't know that answer yet. It's a huge decision and they have years to consider it first. I find this far more satisfying than an assertion that everything eventually works out. Their story as adults, whether they are lovers or not, is going to be complicated. It would only work as the plot of a new series, not as the epilogue to this one.

I'd read it.
A very interesting conclusion.

Do you know what the problem I have with this story and why I see the ending in another light?

If you throw too much real life knowledge on it. It will become illogical to make some sense out of it .

We are talking about a girl who is 14 Years, a model, an athlete and playing eroges about imouto's with her brother? To give him some signals????? Real life material indeed LOL.

Those are the first things who pop up into my mind. And not the question 'if they can stay together or not in the future'.

Seeing the development of the story. It is just a fantasy and it can't happen in real life. The fact is: this is not an adult story so:

it is logical that it doesn't mention those adult like developments. That is why I keep laughing if I start to use some common sense on this story.

Maybe I am exaggerating. But don't be offended (I respect your opinion) I am only stating:

why I think this story will become a 'TROLL STORY' if you take it too seriously.

Because for me it is a fantasy story. I would rather choose a 'everything will be fine and they live happy ever' kind of ending (based on hints). Rather than choosing an ending like: well they could break up and go separate ways. It is kind of depressing and not fitting the illogical fantasy like the story of Oreimo. It is like you are giving a conclusion based on real life (serious) to a story who is illogical from the start.

Well if somebody could present me a girl of 14 years (who loved her brother from childhood in a romantically way) and plays eroges with him. I would change my opinion right now
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Old 2013-06-27, 15:05   Link #4016
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I can't agree more with @mayid. I mean, there is no way a 14 year old girl can love her brother(since she was like 9-10) in a very romantic way and has a huge collection of Imouto-type eroge. Again, this is a work of fiction, how many times has it been stated in the novel ' don't mix 2D with 3D''? The author is trying to say that not everything you see in 2D has to apply in 3D well, at least that's how I understand it. Applying real life logic in this kind of story is off the mark.
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Old 2013-06-27, 15:20   Link #4017
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why I think this story will become a 'TROLL STORY' if you take it too seriously.

Because for me it is a fantasy story. I would rather choose a 'everything will be fine and they live happy ever' kind of ending (based on hints). Rather than choosing an ending like: well they could break up and go separate ways. It is kind of depressing and not fitting the illogical fantasy like the story of Oreimo. It is like you are giving a conclusion based on real life (serious) to a story who is illogical from the start.

Well if somebody could present me a girl of 14 years (who loved her brother from childhood in a romantically way) and plays eroges with him. I would change my opinion right now
But the thing is it isn't depressing viewing it as they cool down romantically after having reinvigorated their relationship together. They still love each other and are important to each other and wont let outside forces pull them apart again. The rift between them has disappeared.

The story may have illogical plot elements but the world is firmly grounded in reality, as reality comes crashing down on Kyousuke when he is forced to move out. Saying it is just all fantasy and just take everything at face value is boring, I like to see depth(whether it is intended to be there or not by the author) beyond the obvious happily ever after, which in this case is never really clearly defined.
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Old 2013-06-27, 17:09   Link #4018
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Some stories do fall apart if you apply any real world logic to them. They're bad stories.

Good stories can include unusual or impossible elements, but events have to follow the logic we expect from our own experience of reality. A story about space aliens arriving on earth needn't be a direct metaphor for first contact between different Earth cultures, but it does need to account for the effects that we know flow from these events. An orphaned protagonist can learn that he has a secret magical heritage, but that discovery can't make all of his problems vanish.

A pair of teenage siblings in a romantic relationship is certainly unusual, but it's not magic or invasion from outer space. It could happen. Given the number of people in the world it almost certainly is happening, somewhere. This story is a comment on how that might play out, and it doesn't shy from real world problems.
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A pair of teenage siblings in a romantic relationship is certainly unusual, but it's not magic or invasion from outer space. It could happen. Given the number of people in the world it almost certainly is happening, somewhere. This story is a comment on how that might play out, and it doesn't shy from real world problems.
Yeah, I think this is the sort of "balance" the ending + epilogue tried to achieve, particularly when you read Kyousuke's monologue at the very end of the book: "a tale of two normal siblings and their slightly unusual love story" where the ending is not yet known. As you said in your earlier post, they don't know what the future will bring, but they're still kids. Figuring that out together is the new adventure they're embarking on now, and is really a whole new story for them. I think this sort of balance between "normal" and "slightly abnormal" is really central to the whole work (so dismissing the whole thing as "fantasy" isn't really right, but neither is assuming that everything can only end up in the "normal" way).
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Old 2013-06-27, 18:20   Link #4020
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Some stories do fall apart if you apply any real world logic to them. They're bad stories.

Good stories can include unusual or impossible elements, but events have to follow the logic we expect from our own experience of reality. A story about space aliens arriving on earth needn't be a direct metaphor for first contact between different Earth cultures, but it does need to account for the effects that we know flow from these events. An orphaned protagonist can learn that he has a secret magical heritage, but that discovery can't make all of his problems vanish.

A pair of teenage siblings in a romantic relationship is certainly unusual, but it's not magic or invasion from outer space. It could happen. Given the number of people in the world it almost certainly is happening, somewhere. This story is a comment on how that might play out, and it doesn't shy from real world problems.
I am not talking about a romantic relationship between a pair of teenage siblings. It is obvious that this kind of relationship could happen in real life. But that is not what I am talking about.

I am talking about the part of playing eroge with your little sister who has a hidden agenda for playing eroges with you (and even at the age she started to like eroge? Is also very questionable). Is this really something that could happen in real life?

And I forget to mention the interaction with other girls, who all tried to confess to Kyousueke. Is it really weird if you take this story as a fantasy?. Well some things in the story could happen in real life. I agree. But how the story plays out, it is too weird for me to make any real life sense out of it (for the big part).

And about the ending. I didn't say that your way of thinking is not possible. Yes indeed. It could play that way. I am not criticizing you, I only say why I have a problem to take this story too seriously and apply to much real life logic on it.

Edit: I ennoy it the way it is presented by the Author. But digging too much into the story, for me it is not worth it.

Edit 2: The real life cases about incest happen for the most time between siblings who lived apart from each other for a long time. There are cases of teenagers
engaging in realtionship (having sex) but they were never seperated from each other. But that is also very questionable if that relationship is based on
some pure love. Last time i read an article about a boy having sex with his siter (but she didn't like it). They found out he did this out of sexual frustration.
So linking this kind of real life things to Oreimo is also not logical.

beside at a age of 14 (like kirino). It is
weird to be so in love with your brother and playing eroges to give him some hints that 'you love him'.

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