To Aru Majutsu no Index II - Episode 10 Discussion / Poll

[Freya]

Hmm I was wondering, do you guys prefer Mazui or Ayako for subs?

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by outerelf

There is a lot, lot, lot wrong with that power chart. I wouldn't suggest putting too much faith in that abomination.

The current power chart looks reasonable for me though in that power chart. Oriana is just above a bit for the level 5. And Accelerator and rank 2 are still way above though for me Oriana is reasonably strong with an infinite variety of spell even though their is a weakness with so many of it. The past accelerator just had too few experience when dealing with the "unknown" aspect. Because he had 24/7 defense. His not "growing" but when he fought someone that can actually damage him he grew strong. Then after that he just continue to evolve every thing hi face an unknown factor on his side.

This is not the place to discuss the subs or which one is better or anything else. It might get deleted if a mod see it.

That's so funny. St Peter's Cross.. from his grave.. hahahaha... He was buried in a crypt, later his bones were moved to catacombs. Such fun playing with historical facts. But this isn't real Earth. This is fiction.. so It's not big deal.. still.. funny to me.

Toaru verse are universe or an alternate universe of our world in a sense. The author is been using true facts from our world and mess it up in the toaru verse. You would be seeing that a lot. Practically from season 1 or rather episode 1. Though it's still not noticeable. But no one notice when an angel practically decent on earth.

[Patriot's Blade]

so is it confirmed that Touma's dad could used to have his own harem when he was younger?
lol @ Mikoto's "like father like son", all hail to family generations of PIMP MASTERS!!

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Ashaman

What, you didn't know? Touma likes the older woman mature type.

It's just a fetish.

Originally Posted by Bikerider

That's so funny. St Peter's Cross.. from his grave.. hahahaha... He was buried in a crypt, later his bones were moved to catacombs. Such fun playing with historical facts. But this isn't real Earth. This is fiction.. so It's not big deal.. still.. funny to me.

Where Saint Peter's buried doesn't matter, it's the Cross that creates the magic so I'm not too sure what you mean?

But if it's history lessons this was what the series is going with...

The St Peter’s Cross refers to the Cross that’s set up on Peter’s grave.

Kamijou doesn’t look so good, but Tsuchimikado just ignores him and continues,

“The view of the Roman Catholics is that since that place is where Peter’s buried, the Church didn’t want anyone to disturb him, so they wanted to do their best in maintaining his heritage. At first, it was Emperor Augustine who paid his respects and built a Church. During the Renaissance, there was a pleasant large scale revolution. The St Peter’s Basilica that’s designed by Michelangelo—truly the world’s largest Church—is built on the domain of this dead Saint.”

Peter died in A.D. 1st century, and the Old St Peter‘s Basilica was built in the 4th century, while the king of the Lombards handed over power to the Vatican in the 8th century. Actually, there’s quite a bit of time difference, but the first turning point was Peter’s death and the building of his tomb.

Hearing this explanation, Kamijou is still unclear of what’s going on.

[Minagi Mikoto]

Perfect 10/10!

I liked Touma and Oriana's fight scene. Though didn't understand much of Tsuchimikado and Stiyl's discussion about what that item will do.

Index and Mikoto's appearance seemed more mature in this episode. Way to go you two!

And I'm glad that Himegami will appear again!

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Minagi Mikoto

Though didn't understand much of Tsuchimikado and Stiyl's discussion about what that item will do.

No matter what happens on the land that the Cross gets activated on, it will always benefit the Rome Catholic Church in some way or the other.

Originally Posted by Minagi Mikoto

Index and Mikoto's appearance seemed more mature in this episode. Way to go you two!

Do they? Must be the change in attire.

Originally Posted by Minagi Mikoto

And I'm glad that Himegami will appear again!

It's a shame she's under used...

[Ravenblitz]

seems not they're childish as ever "catfight" for Touma also they're wearing a Cheerleader attire and a Gym Clothes

[Jeffry2009]

Just watched EP10. I think i'm just havin an orgasm after I've watched all of Oriana Thompson's cleavages during the fight scene.

[klare]

about the fight scene, feels like the usual formula:
1- Enemy showed off power/ability
2- Enemy beaten the hell out of Touma
3- Enemy was surprised by the undying ability of Touma
4- Touma avoided all attacks and punched (most of the time only 1 punch)
5- Fight ended

Mikoto finally said something right in the series "Like father like son"

[Dahak86]

a bit late, anyway...

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Originally Posted by DRAGUN H.E.X.

the part where Oriana said her underwear was wet sounds hawt, cue Highschool of the Dead "i'm wet!!" text meme

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[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Primary Consult

9/10.
Positives:
+that whole sequence culminating in the Misakas and Kamijous go to lunch
+Index cheerleader wants attention
+That's one way to stop a bus you've missed...

Negatives:
-Touma preaching instead of fighting when time is of the essence (from his perspective)
-Touma not going for the card for Tsuchimikado while Oriana is down... unless I missed something there.
-Explanation of Sword/Cross confusion and what the Cross does was very convoluted and confusing as all hell. Of course, that may just be bad subs.

A few frames here and there had animation quality woes but nothing as bad as some ongoing ones... BD will probably touch it up, hopefully.

The Croce di Pietro basically hallows the ground it is placed on and claims it for the Roman Catholic Church. Not really convoluted seeing how it's basically the magic equivalent of planting a flag in enemy territory...

[Bonta Kun]

That was a ok episode I guess, something felt kinda off about it but not quite sure what it is.
Altho saying that the Oriana fanservice and the Kamijou and Misaka family get together did save the ep from being boring I guess.

[RPG_Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Saturn Beaver

To be honest, I was rather disappointed with the episode, especially the fight scene. It just felt...a bit too easy for Touma to win it, whereas in the LN he's clearly shown to be more hurt with the assault from Oriana. That's one of my main beef actually, perhaps it's a bit much to expect the anime to deliver an top-notch epic fight, but at least I want to see more scars and scrapes with Touma, all I see is that single cut. I mean, that's a bit important too, Tsuchimikado fell right away because Oriana's spell worsens his injuries suffered from magicking last ep (Touma is mostly fine so no effect), and part of the reason why his 'Falcon Punch' is less effective was due to his injuries and fatigue with all the chasing (also, Touma is too much of an amateur compared to Oriana).

But yeah, that's aside the rest is pretty fine I guess. The twist is good (although, seeing Touma hit by the billboard, shouldn't he feel it....well, it's not like he knows what being hit by a billboard or Stab Sword would feel like) and the story still continue to the next episode. Really, compared to the rest of the antagonists (perhaps maybe the first guy) we had so far this season Oriana feels like the less villainous so far , at least she tried to inflict as little pain and casualty as possible (I'm not sure how much that popped button affects my judgment though).

Also, like father like son indeed...at that point he's surrounded by three women, one he just bumped into her breast. Well, technically four, but one belong to his son anyway. In any case, it's good to see MILFsuzu Mikoto again. And Misaka Mikoto is always great to have, seeing her bicker with Index is fun to watch (for some reason more than the usual Touma vs Index).

My thoughts exactly. I least the spells looked nice. I hope that more effort is put into the final showdown. I'm looking forward to Touma's 'misfortune' next week.

[Sackett]

TOO. MUCH. TALKING!!!


Sigh... but what else is new?

I've come to the conclusion that this is a problem with the source material. The author creates good characters, and has an amazing setting, but is no good at dialogue, pacing, or plot.

Really? Another ass pull where the setup about the "Stab Sword" is false, and there is some other completely different plan that comes out of left field? Par for the course. It's suppose to show the enemy is subtle and clever, but is so poorly executed that it just comes across as bad writing.

Add to that the horrible animation (I think it was even worse then last episode, but maybe that's just because it showed up in the fight scenes even more so).

Sigh... and yet I'll keep watching it just to see the antics of Mikoto, Touma, Index, and all the rest.

If the whole attraction is the character interaction I think I'd prefer no plot at all to bad plot. Although I'd obviously prefer good plot to no plot.

Sigh...

[SuzushinaYuriko]

Originally Posted by Bikerider

Hmmm... why did Oriana bump into Touma's father ? what did she plant on him ?

Already answered that.

Originally Posted by yukirosuzuka

Oriana ran into Touma's dad by accident. What originally happened was that Touma's mom was exhibiting a terrifying aura because he was being friendly with Mikoto's mom. Touma's dad backs away slowly, bumps into Oriana, turns around to bow and say sorry, and plants his face into her boobs by accident. Like father, like son indeed.

There's no reason to put a shorthand card on a random bystander because 1. that's just a waste of magic and 2. Oriana does not want to needlessly hurt anyone. In that spell where she said Touma would die if he moved, note that the lines do not touch Touma even though she could have made it do so. She intended for the attacks to miss where he was and surround him before she rendered him unconscious. Touma ignored her warning and stepped into the danger zone, which is why she called him an idiot.

She's carrying out this trade because she truly believes that St. Peter's Cross would make everyone happy.

about the fight scene, feels like the usual formula:
1- Enemy showed off power/ability
2- Enemy beaten the hell out of Touma
3- Enemy was surprised by the undying ability of Touma
4- Touma avoided all attacks and punched (most of the time only 1 punch)
5- Fight ended

The anime did not show Touma's strategy in beating her. He figured out that Oriana cannot use the same spell twice. This basically means that there won’t be a similar attack coming from the same direction, so Touma moved along those places that were attacked before and predicted the movements of future attacks.

I've come to the conclusion that this is a problem with the source material. The author creates good characters, and has an amazing setting, but is no good at dialogue, pacing, or plot.

Really? Another ass pull where the setup about the "Stab Sword" is false, and there is some other completely different plan that comes out of left field? Par for the course. It's suppose to show the enemy is subtle and clever, but is so poorly executed that it just comes across as bad writing.

Excuse me? Have you ever read the light novels? You have no right to criticize something you've never seen.

They intentionally made it look like "Stab Sword" was being traded instead of "St. Peter's Cross" to throw people off the fact that this is an operation for the Roman Catholic Church to take over Academy City while its security is lowered due to Daihaseisai. How is it poorly executed?

[kitten320]

^I don't think that story is SO different in anime and novels

But he is kind of right, it becomes repetitive... we hear about one weapon and then suddenly it is something else...

Actually didn't really understand how they realized it...


A bit sad that Oriana had earned the punch so fast... seriously, it looks like she figured out about his hand long ago yet still got the punch in the famous...
she better come up with something to over come it or make Touma actually regret facing her before punching shit out of her.

And yay! Kuroko and Himegami are back next episode!

P.S. Is Kuroko trying to kill Touma in the preview or is it just a preview "trap"?

[orion]

Originally Posted by Ravenblitz

seems not they're childish as ever "catfight" for Touma also they're wearing a Cheerleader attire and a Gym Clothes

Nah, Index had every right to stand up for herself like that. Index is no pushover. *claps for Index* Girls in real life get more verbal over these issues. The parents need to get a clue. If a girl shows up for an overnight at a beach house, "something" is up.

Index receives the "sis fist" . You go girl! Protect your property!


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[I_am_Kami]

Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

I can already see the ending.

What you keima from the world only god knows

[Liquidzero]

Originally Posted by yukirosuzuka

Excuse me? Have you ever read the light novels? You have no right to criticize something you've never seen.

They intentionally made it look like "Stab Sword" was being traded instead of "St. Peter's Cross" to throw people off the fact that this is an operation for the Roman Catholic Church to take over Academy City while its security is lowered due to Daihaseisai. How is it poorly executed?

i agree, to aru is pretty much spy vs spy with magic against science.

i had to look up ass pull in urban dictionary. i don't see how the stab sword actually being st peter's cross, or the power of the item is an ass pull. the power of the item makes perfect sense. when you consider that Catholic tradition holds that Jesus gave the right to create a church to Peter and he is considered the first Pope, the concept of where ever you plant it automatically makes it a territory beneficial to the Roman Catholics makes perfect sense.

i think the fact that it looks like a sword was even more clever. when we're shown the sword it's pointing down, to draw the reader/anime viewer to its properties of looking like a cross. however, usually we see swords pointing upwards (like during a battle charge) and the actual symbol of St. Peter's cross is an inverted cross. when you consider the actions of oriana and her contact pretty much is a conquest for territory the imagery is appropriate.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Liquidzero

i agree, to aru is pretty much spy vs spy with magic against science.

i had to look up ass pull in urban dictionary. i don't see how the stab sword actually being st peter's cross, or the power of the item is an ass pull. the power of the item makes perfect sense. when you consider that Catholic tradition holds that Jesus gave the right to create a church to Peter and he is considered the first Pope, the concept of where ever you plant it automatically makes it a territory beneficial to the Roman Catholics makes perfect sense.

i think the fact that it looks like a sword was even more clever. when we're shown the sword it's pointing down, to draw the reader/anime viewer to its properties of looking like a cross. however, usually we see swords pointing upwards (like during a battle charge) and the actual symbol of St. Peter's cross is an inverted cross. when you consider the actions of oriana and her contact pretty much is a conquest for territory the imagery is appropriate.

It also would have been nice if the curator had held "St. Peter's cross" in the proper orientation.