AnimeSuki Forums

kagato3 · 2007-07-20, 10:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoHunter

so even as an adjucha, Yami must have been pretty weak to be surpassed by a gillian... I dosent seem like he will play any real role at all if #9 was killed by Rukia, and he is weaker than Aaronnio...

#9 seems to be an Odd ball (pun not intended) for a gillian. It seems to that when he eats other hollows the others retain some of thier indeviality so they don't fully merge so he can't evolve like other Gillian do. The up side to this is he gets to keep thier powers.

LightningZERO · 2007-07-20, 13:21

Ichigo is in another pinch again. Can he really wins this round?

Flora20709 · 2007-07-20, 14:27

I Just Saw The Chapter And As Much As I want Ichigo to win dont think he is gonna make it
and when is ulioqurra gonna come out

saravis · 2007-07-20, 16:47

I can't wait until Ulioqurra comes out. He is going to be so pissed. That's going to be fun.

kagato3 · 2007-07-20, 21:18

I was rereading Ch 199 to confirm the the big worm hollow Grim took a bite out of was d-roy (and it sure looks like it is, I wonder if that means he was stronger then Nakeim, since he looked less like a MG) and I found something intresting in the translation I have Grim says "turn up your "peskis" to full throttle so it seems he does use that term for going max power.

NeverGone · 2007-07-21, 02:01

For my opinion, i believe that in this Bleach anime/manga scenario, there's still have another realease for Ichigo. Impossible Ichi could defeat Aizen just use bankai + mask if really have to fight with Aizen. Because Aizen had used rietsu to get Gj knees(I had forget what the chapter is). Aizen's power could be above Espada level.

Spoiler for WHo Ichigo is:

123Hamster · 2007-07-21, 02:04

Humm so this means that Nell had been feasting on Gillons everyday?

Scep · 2007-07-21, 02:51

I don't think so. The constant eating of gillians is only needed by adjuucas, but when they take off their masks, it probably becomes a different story.

So basically, hollows with the biggest thirst for killing/souls will become gillians with self consciousness. These gillians evolve into adjuucas, who will degenerate into gillians if they do not continue eating and never be able to become an adjuucas again. Is it just me, or does kubo's hollow model SERIOUSLY remind me of d.gray man's akuma model? Evolution through eating, gaining of self consciousness...

kagato3 · 2007-07-21, 07:24

I think the eating your way up is only one way of how adjuucas come in to being. A very few hollows may be born at the Gillian or adjuucas level from the start if a realy powerful person becomes a hollow, such as Ichigo.

Ryuk · 2007-07-21, 08:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeverGone

For my opinion, i believe that in this Bleach anime/manga scenario, there's still have another realease for Ichigo. Impossible Ichi could defeat Aizen just use bankai + mask if really have to fight with Aizen. Because Aizen had used rietsu to get Gj knees(I had forget what the chapter is). Aizen's power could be above Espada level.

Spoiler for WHo Ichigo is:

You have to remember that Aizen might have been using his complete hypnosis on Gj at that time to make his reiatsu seem ubelievable. Although I doubt that is the case.

EvolutionXI · 2007-07-21, 13:15

Just a thought...

So far, from the rest of the arrancar, after the arrancar take a human appearance and release, their bodies still keep some of the human characteristics. In that flashback, the other arrancar lack the human appearance and have their full arrancar appearance, but that might be because they haven't taken up a human-like appearance yet. D-Roy, however, has already been shown with a human appearance early in the story when grandfisher is first shown having his mask removed, so even if he released against GJ, he shouldn't look like that huge multi-bodied worm thing. This is unless of course his release style is a lot different since he wasn't initially born from the hougokyou (sp?), and so has a release that goes back to something like the original gillian form.

Also, could that menos hollow that Ishida fought (which Ryuuken later killed) be a former adjuchas that dropped back to gillian? It would explain the different appearance while keeping it lower on strength.

Monkey D. Luffy · 2007-07-21, 13:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryuk

You have to remember that Aizen might have been using his complete hypnosis on Gj at that time to make his reiatsu seem ubelievable. Although I doubt that is the case.

It's possible for all we know that Aizen has all of his espadas under hypnosis just to make sure no one trys to overcome him. Just a guess though.

David_The_Gnome · 2007-07-21, 16:01

I always found it cliche that the main characters can pull a win out of their butt.

So I never thought I would be saying this.

But in Ichigo's case, it's actually becoming a cliche for him to lose. Same thing goes to Chad, though he's a support character (meaning he doesn't count).

Nightengale · 2007-07-21, 20:14

What is this retcon? I thought Aizen specifically called all those Grimjoww-holics Gillians? Now there's clearly a difference between them and the conventional black, generic Gillians.

And I find it sheerly ironic that Grimm's Hollow form looks less human than Edorad's and Shawlong's, despite apparently being closer to a human's form means being closer to a Vast Lord.

EvolutionXI · 2007-07-21, 20:49

^ I'm pretty sure the reason Edorad/Shawlong/etc. don't have the tall, big, black look there is because they've already become arrancar. Even gillians might end up having humanoid shape after becoming arrancar, though not guaranteed as it is with vastlordes (and maybe adjuchas, can't remember what was exactly said at that time). The panther, however, is GJ's natural adjuchas state.

Question · 2007-07-21, 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by David_The_Gnome

I always found it cliche that the main characters can pull a win out of their butt.

So I never thought I would be saying this.

But in Ichigo's case, it's actually becoming a cliche for him to lose. Same thing goes to Chad, though he's a support character (meaning he doesn't count).

Don't worry, just wait till we get into the proper power up arc where all the main characters unleash their TRUE ABILITY(vaizard release lol) and all the espada get trashed in one on one battles.

Its sad because you know it WILL happen.

Scarlett_Rain55 · 2007-07-21, 21:51

Can this fight just be over with?

The Real Nemo · 2007-07-22, 01:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightengale

What is this retcon? I thought Aizen specifically called all those Grimjoww-holics Gillians? Now there's clearly a difference between them and the conventional black, generic Gillians.

So? They're still Gillians, just somewhat more evolved Gillians. I thought it was explained pretty well in the chapter.

Scep · 2007-07-22, 04:33

If they are not the huge black figures, they aren't gillians, they are adjuucas. If they had become arrancar, they wouldn't have the full mask. Remember, arrancarization means removal of the mask.

Nuzzles · 2007-07-22, 23:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightningZERO

Ichigo is in another pinch again. Can he really wins this round?

Come on Mr. Hollow in Ichigo, time to come out!

2007-07-20, 21:18	Link #45
kagato3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	I was rereading Ch 199 to confirm the the big worm hollow Grim took a bite out of was d-roy (and it sure looks like it is, I wonder if that means he was stronger then Nakeim, since he looked less like a MG) and I found something intresting in the translation I have Grim says "turn up your "peskis" to full throttle so it seems he does use that term for going max power. __________________ Higurashi: Its a bit like watching a trainwreck, except you keep getting to see different trains wrecking with roughly the same passengers, into a variety of different objects. Also, the trains are driven by monkeys. On LSD.

2007-07-21, 02:01	Link #46
NeverGone Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Malaysia(Natural City) Age: 35	For my opinion, i believe that in this Bleach anime/manga scenario, there's still have another realease for Ichigo. Impossible Ichi could defeat Aizen just use bankai + mask if really have to fight with Aizen. Because Aizen had used rietsu to get Gj knees(I had forget what the chapter is). Aizen's power could be above Espada level. Spoiler for WHo Ichigo is: Do somwhere have about who Ichigo is? If i make searchs, that could runis my eye. XD

2007-07-21, 07:24	Link #49
kagato3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	I think the eating your way up is only one way of how adjuucas come in to being. A very few hollows may be born at the Gillian or adjuucas level from the start if a realy powerful person becomes a hollow, such as Ichigo. __________________ Higurashi: Its a bit like watching a trainwreck, except you keep getting to see different trains wrecking with roughly the same passengers, into a variety of different objects. Also, the trains are driven by monkeys. On LSD.

2007-07-21, 20:14	Link #54
Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	What is this retcon? I thought Aizen specifically called all those Grimjoww-holics Gillians? Now there's clearly a difference between them and the conventional black, generic Gillians. And I find it sheerly ironic that Grimm's Hollow form looks less human than Edorad's and Shawlong's, despite apparently being closer to a human's form means being closer to a Vast Lord. __________________ *Night~and~Gale: ~ The Final Mythology of the Man who Defied Destiny.* The sleeping lion shall awaken beyond the depths of time, crossing ten billion lights, come to Terra.

2007-07-20, 13:21	Link #42
LightningZERO You are Dominated! Author Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Earth Age: 35	Ichigo is in another pinch again. Can he really wins this round?

2007-07-20, 14:27	Link #43
Flora20709 Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In Bed With Flora Age: 33	I Just Saw The Chapter And As Much As I want Ichigo to win dont think he is gonna make it and when is ulioqurra gonna come out

2007-07-20, 16:47	Link #44
saravis Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	I can't wait until Ulioqurra comes out. He is going to be so pissed. That's going to be fun.

2007-07-21, 02:04	Link #47
123Hamster Hamster Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: MAO	Humm so this means that Nell had been feasting on Gillons everyday?

2007-07-21, 02:51	Link #48
Scep commands you to...! Artist Join Date: Apr 2006	I don't think so. The constant eating of gillians is only needed by adjuucas, but when they take off their masks, it probably becomes a different story. So basically, hollows with the biggest thirst for killing/souls will become gillians with self consciousness. These gillians evolve into adjuucas, who will degenerate into gillians if they do not continue eating and never be able to become an adjuucas again. Is it just me, or does kubo's hollow model SERIOUSLY remind me of d.gray man's akuma model? Evolution through eating, gaining of self consciousness...

2007-07-21, 13:15	Link #51
EvolutionXI Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	Just a thought... So far, from the rest of the arrancar, after the arrancar take a human appearance and release, their bodies still keep some of the human characteristics. In that flashback, the other arrancar lack the human appearance and have their full arrancar appearance, but that might be because they haven't taken up a human-like appearance yet. D-Roy, however, has already been shown with a human appearance early in the story when grandfisher is first shown having his mask removed, so even if he released against GJ, he shouldn't look like that huge multi-bodied worm thing. This is unless of course his release style is a lot different since he wasn't initially born from the hougokyou (sp?), and so has a release that goes back to something like the original gillian form. Also, could that menos hollow that Ishida fought (which Ryuuken later killed) be a former adjuchas that dropped back to gillian? It would explain the different appearance while keeping it lower on strength.

2007-07-21, 16:01	Link #53
David_The_Gnome MR Claytard Join Date: Jun 2007	I always found it cliche that the main characters can pull a win out of their butt. So I never thought I would be saying this. But in Ichigo's case, it's actually becoming a cliche for him to lose. Same thing goes to Chad, though he's a support character (meaning he doesn't count).

2007-07-21, 20:49	Link #55
EvolutionXI Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	^ I'm pretty sure the reason Edorad/Shawlong/etc. don't have the tall, big, black look there is because they've already become arrancar. Even gillians might end up having humanoid shape after becoming arrancar, though not guaranteed as it is with vastlordes (and maybe adjuchas, can't remember what was exactly said at that time). The panther, however, is GJ's natural adjuchas state.

2007-07-21, 21:51	Link #57
Scarlett_Rain55 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	Can this fight just be over with?

2007-07-22, 04:33	Link #59
Scep commands you to...! Artist Join Date: Apr 2006	If they are not the huge black figures, they aren't gillians, they are adjuucas. If they had become arrancar, they wouldn't have the full mask. Remember, arrancarization means removal of the mask.