2008-02-13, 16:29 | Link #342 |
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In pug BGs you can get by with raid gear. Pugs are sometimes still wearing green, so of course purples of any caliber will tear it up.
Arenas will be far less forgiving. Raid gear will not take you beyond a certain point. Hell, it's hard enough for starters with moderate resilience to break 1500s as it is with all the point sellers. |
2008-02-13, 17:30 | Link #343 | |
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So PvE-wise the next upgrades come from either tier-5 or 6, so even heroics are way behind me now. PvP-wise I'm aiming for a mix of S2 and 3 gear. It's just a question of time, since I don't like to grind. What I'm seeking is the most efficient way to get the stuff to be able to compete in the arena in equal terms. |
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This is my orignal post *_*. http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=324 . It was just curved to be a PVP vs PVE discussion. I just said tier 6 is the best set in the game. i wasnt talking about PVP. Well i meant to say tier 5 Is about the same as Last PVP set. I didnt mean to say it is worse. Sorry for the misundrestanding. Also about tier 6 i thought i did mention that (expcept for stamina for some classes) The other stats ( numbers as you stated) are far better ( by 60 to 80 ) higher than PVP 3. So that was my reasoning behind it. And i also added if you kill the enemy fast, You dont really need to worry that much about surviving. I also Mentioned that The Survival factors of Tier 6 is almost as good as PVP 3. I mean if you look at the numbers the tier 6 is higher level than tier 5 ( source thottbot.com although my opinion of tier 6 isnt based on level, its just based on usage). Since i wasnt clear enought with numbers , iwill compare few of them for you: Rouge: - Tier 6: Pvp 3: agi:204 159 stam: 237 235 crict hit: 101 79 attak power: 414 156 This is just one numerical example ( i got bored to post any other than this ) . Tier 6 set has almost 2 times more DPS output than PVP 3. Tier 6 isnt better than PVP 3 set in terms of surviving ( but preaty darn close). Combination of these 2 Survi/dps, makes the Tier 6 a better set. Tier serves you with your PVE needs and also can be used in PVP. And due to it having Huge DPS output and crict chance and .... It will easily balance that survivablity of PVP3. Yes yes, PVP 3 gets Resil/stamina, But With the huge DPS output and other stats that tier 6 has, that is easily canceled out. I know many ( and Yes maaaaaany) people that would argue with your point about Tier 6 not being better than PVP 3. Skillwise equals, Its one of those things that you have to put against each other in a duel to see which one is better i guess. To be honest i am getting bored of this discussion since it is just going in a circle and nothing new. I do think you know what you are talking about and your reasoning are valid. I had fun chatting with you, but lets be fair to others and not turn this to a WOW forum. Quote:
as for PVE/end game raid, just finish up your Mooncloth set and try to grab few items from regular dungeons. Doing that could server as warm-up for end game raids and at the same time few greens/cloth/grey/white that can get you some good gold. I hate grinding too . But i have a way to get alot of gold in a short amount of time with enchanting so gold isnt an issue. Just enchanting BOP blue can get you tons of gold. Quote:
Areana is all about skills and strats. Items do play a role but Skills > items.
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2008-02-13, 22:07 | Link #345 |
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This is going to be my last post on this subject because you keep bringing up the same points no matter how many times they are refuted, by myself and every other person who has posted, and it is pointless to continue. In summary, Survival > Raw Damage for PvP, Tier 6 does not offer the same or similar survivability of Season 3, Tier 5 is not even close to Season 3, skill does not always account for a gear gap, there is no "overall best set" in the game because they play different roles, those numbers you provided are wrong, the stamina count is way off, I didn't bother to add up the rest. That is all.
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2008-02-13, 23:29 | Link #347 | |
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This is going to be my last post on this subject because you keep bringing up the same points no matter how many times they are refuted, by myself and every other person who has posted, and it is pointless to continue. In summary, Survival > Raw Damage for PvP, Tier 6 does not offer the same or similar survivability of Season 3, Tier 5 is not even close to Season 3, skill does not always account for a gear gap, there is no "overall best set" in the game because they play different roles, those numbers you provided are wrong, the stamina count is way off, I didn't bother to add up the rest. That is all. Yes i will stop too. I was about too re explain one more time but just deleted ( and it was about 1 page long). To be honest I disagree with most of your points. You stick with yours and i will do mine. If you think PVP is better then I guess You think PVP better.
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2008-02-13, 23:41 | Link #348 | |
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2008-02-13, 23:48 | Link #349 | |
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But i can tell you this, Out of 17 matches that i have played areana, i have won 14 and lost 3. Me and 4 of my guildies, were all in PVE gear. So Type of gear has nothing to do with it.
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2008-02-13, 23:58 | Link #350 | |
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2008-02-14, 00:22 | Link #351 | |
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It doesn't matter if you ignore me, you felt the need to respond to me indirectly which tells me that you do read my posts. It also tells me that you can't think of anything to disprove what I'm saying, so you'd rather ignore it. Sounds like you're afraid to back up what you've been saying. |
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2008-02-14, 03:55 | Link #352 | |
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I thought you would figure that out yourself. I mean its not that hard to figure it out. Well i bet you will have more common sense questions for me next. But please think about them yourself a bit, and then if you cant figure it out, i would be glad to explain. P.S. Well that is the case with organized PVE guilds. Unorganized ones that cant even get past Kara and call themselves a PVE guild, do alot of PVP too.
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2008-02-14, 11:40 | Link #353 | |
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So yeah: PvP gear beats pretty much anything until tier-5, so for new players they are the best choise for both PvP and PvE. At least from the point of view of a healing priest (might be different for other classes). |
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2008-02-14, 16:28 | Link #354 | |
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I still see zero PvE gear in peak tiers. Are you saying that PvE gear is enough for casual PvP? If so I agree, it'll be enough to beat median teams. But no peak tier teams have ever gotten to the peak by neglecting resilience. And there are actually some hardcore players within raiding guilds who participate in arenas not for pure entertainment but to get gold to cover their raiding costs. Do you know what they wear in order to maximize their output? Or are you talking in terms of pre-BC PvP? |
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2008-02-14, 17:34 | Link #355 | |
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People from various guilds on my server who have had Illidan on farm for a while now do a lot of PVP since there's nothing else to do until Sunwell. And yes, in case you're wondering Whitemoon, they wear full S3. |
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2008-02-14, 19:03 | Link #356 | |
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2008-02-14, 19:24 | Link #357 |
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I forgot all about that. It's not as bad here as it is on some servers so we don't really hear about it much. I've only seen maybe 2 teams publicly advertise point selling, but I'm sure there's a few more teams out there that sell just to friends or guild members.
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2008-02-14, 21:19 | Link #358 |
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Yeah, I have people in my guild who are doing it. It really annoys me but I don't really feel like yelling at or trying to report guildies. Another guildy who took them up on it actually got a temp ban for it though, apparently they noticed that his points suddenly spiked or that he had gear that was higher than his personal rating indicated he should have. Too bad there are no repercussions for the people actually doing the selling though.
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2008-02-14, 22:13 | Link #359 |
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I heard about that alot, it is the same like Tier selling, I know one guild on Dath'Remar(my former server) was doing selling Tier equipment for almost 1k - 2k of gold and I think they was doing point selling as well. But for me, I am only like 1,200 exp more to get my dragon and its feel great(btw, getting eggs is the best way to get Netherwing exp fast)
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2008-02-14, 22:52 | Link #360 | ||
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What i am saying If you get your tier 6, you dont really need to work PVP 3 ( mainly for PVE ). And also with tier 6 You can beat the teams with epic pvps too. P.S. It seems you are another person that knows what he is talking about *_*. Quote:
All i am saying Tier 6 > than PVP 3. If i would Give a number from 1 to 100 to each set it would go like this. Tier 6= 100 Tier 5= 98 PVP3= 93 Tier 4= 81. P.S. Again this is my take on the item, and millions of people migh disagree and at the same time millions of people might agree. So i hope i am not getting any one frustrated by my persistence. Its just how so many people think. Isnt that against Blizz rule? I thought you could get ban from it. I have heard rumors of people getting banned from doing that.
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