Code Geass R2 - Episode 15 Discussion / Poll

[Micante]

Originally Posted by Tolle Erik Koenig

Really? I didn't notice

Watch the scene where Euphie dies. Some of her last words to Suzaku was to tell him to finish school since she never got to.

[Methuselah]

Originally Posted by Lugia_Tsuyu

But I hope that

Spoiler:

the ring spoiler thing is true (even though the chance is less than 40%)

Ditto. I hope so too.

[Micante]

Has anyone noticed that Charles pulled a Yagami Light in this episode?

His facial expressions make him look completely different than the personality that's been built up for more than one and a half seasons.

[finalnight]

That final scene with CC and Lelouch was very nicely done and had great music, very cinematic.

[holyman282]

Where do I begin with this ep, it was just the most epic piece of anime work ever! I've said that alot but nothing as of yet has got me on the edge of my seats as this ep.

Alot events happened this ep some not so easily spotted due to their subtlety.

There were alot of things to digest in this ep but lets start with the Lelouch C.C. scenes. There has been many hints throughout Code geass that C.C. has developed feelings for Lelouch such as those random dialogues pertaining to people only C.C. can see in which she tries to deny her feelings for Lelouch.

It is interesting to find that C.C original wish was to be loved and was not able to obtain it due to the extent the power of Geass can grant such a wish. Now when Lelouch tried to catch a falling C.C stating that he knows her true wish, there is a sort of double meaning behind it and one begins to wonder whether it's to be loved or to die. Most people who watch it automatically assume that Lelouch probably meant her original wish of being loved but you still cannot rule out the possibility that she may die near the end of the series. After this ep i felt C.C's chances for survival (which previously was at 100%) has no greatly diminished.

Now Lelouch's character is hard to analyse. We have seen on many other occasions of him getting sentimental over the fates of the various girls around e.g. Shirley in ep 13, so one cannot be too sure whether Lelouch's outburst for C.C. was a genuine confession of a sort or merely just showing that now C.C. has become one of Lelouch's many important things.

We've learnt a few things about the geass power as well. It's been hinted in this ep that the nature of the geass power you obtain is a reflection of what you wanted at the moment of the contract as we saw with C.C. wishing to be loved and hence gained the power to make people love her. So if we carry this theory over to the other geass users one begins to wonder what their heart intentions were at the time they made their geass contracts. Lelouch's wish and his geass are pretty well explained but what of Charles? What was his original wish that gave him the power to modify memories? Could it be a painful memory that he wanted someone to forgot? What about Rolo? Why does his Geass involve stopping time? Perhaps it reflects on his maturity and conscience which has in essence stopped developing when he was very young.

Now onto Suzaku, I've never liked him ever from the start of Code Geass and after this ep probably never will. What i realised from him is that he is like a bank of contradictions, if by any chance people felt that just because he didn't give Kallen the refrain made him a better person you're wrong. His reason for that was so that he won't be like Lelouch (i.e. in his perception of Lelouch as a ruthless scheming villain who will manipulate and use anything to gain an advantage) yet he seemed to have forgotten that when he tried to use Nunnally to try to see if Lelouch has regained his memory or when he handed Lelouch in order to become part of the Knights of Rounds. Suzaku is too blinded by his own sense of self righteousness that he doesn't realise he has already crossed the line by doing the very things that was trying to prevent.

It is also interesting to note that Suzaku said to Nunnally the exact same thing that Lelouch said to her in Season 1 and that is that he will never lie to her. Once again he contradicted himself there cause he lied when he told her that the person on the phone was not her brother or the fact that Lelouch is in fact Zero.

Overall great ep and I know I haven't said much about the Ohgi Villeta development but frankly after all that happened this ep their scenes just wasn't all that interesting, I'd much preferred it if they showed more of Lelouch and C.C then going to their scenes. But overall 10/10 definitely. Very epic ep.

[Timeless Enigma]

Well... at least I know what the "Code" part of Code Geass is now...

Episode was, ok. Finally some more Geass/Emperor plot, but since I don't really care that much about C.C. I wasn't too interested in the majority of the scenes. While I admit I wasn't much of a fan of C.C. I enjoyed her haughty, strong personality. Now that she's some moeblob it seems like she's gonna replace Kallen as the fanservice queen or something with a bunch of innocent scenes.

Oh well, if this means Kalulu is over then that's fine with me. I'm not so much a Kallen/Lelouch shipper as I am a "Kallen lives through the show and has a good ending while kicking ass" advocate. I also found myself liking Lelouch less and less over R2 so I'd rather Kallen ends up with me .

EDIT: I wasn't really feeling the Ohgi/Viletta scene either. I doubt they both die from that. My assumption is one of them perishes and the other one lives on. I like both of the characters but they really haven't been on-screen enough to make me feel a lot of emotion. As always, my opinion on Code Geass' character management is rather low. I know not everyone is meant to be a dynamic character but the way even some of the more important characters have been handled is kind of disappointing.

[bbduece]

Originally Posted by holyman282

Where do I begin with this ep, it was just the most epic piece of anime work ever! I've said that alot but nothing as of yet has got me on the edge of my seats as this ep.

Alot events happened this ep some not so easily spotted due to their subtlety.

There were alot of things to digest in this ep but lets start with the Lelouch C.C. scenes. There has been many hints throughout Code geass that C.C. has developed feelings for Lelouch such as those random dialogues pertaining to people only C.C. can see in which she tries to deny her feelings for Lelouch.

It is interesting to find that C.C original wish was to be loved and was not able to obtain it due to the extent the power of Geass can grant such a wish. Now when Lelouch tried to catch a falling C.C stating that he knows her true wish, there is a sort of double meaning behind it and one begins to wonder whether it's to be loved or to die. Most people who watch it automatically assume that Lelouch probably meant her original wish of being loved but you still cannot rule out the possibility that she may die near the end of the series. After this ep i felt C.C's chances for survival (which previously was at 100%) has no greatly diminished.

Now Lelouch's character is hard to analyse. We have seen on many other occasions of him getting sentimental over the fates of the various girls around e.g. Shirley in ep 13, so one cannot be too sure whether Lelouch's outburst for C.C. was a genuine confession of a sort or merely just showing that now C.C. has become one of Lelouch's many important things.

We've learnt a few things about the geass power as well. It's been hinted in this ep that the nature of the geass power you obtain is a reflection of what you wanted at the moment of the contract as we saw with C.C. wishing to be loved and hence gained the power to make people love her. So if we carry this theory over to the other geass users one begins to wonder what their heart intentions were at the time they made their geass contracts. Lelouch's wish and his geass are pretty well explained but what of Charles? What was his original wish that gave him the power to modify memories? Could it be a painful memory that he wanted someone to forgot? What about Rolo? Why does his Geass involve stopping time? Perhaps it reflects on his maturity and conscience which has in essence stopped developing when he was very young.

Now onto Suzaku, I've never liked him ever from the start of Code Geass and after this ep probably never will. What i realised from him is that he is like a bank of contradictions, if by any chance people felt that just because he didn't give Kallen the refrain made him a better person you're wrong. His reason for that was so that he won't be like Lelouch (i.e. in his perception of Lelouch as a ruthless scheming villain who will manipulate and use anything to gain an advantage) yet he seemed to have forgotten that when he tried to use Nunnally to try to see if Lelouch has regained his memory or when he handed Lelouch in order to become part of the Knights of Rounds. Suzaku is too blinded by his own sense of self righteousness that he doesn't realise he has already crossed the line by doing the very things that was trying to prevent.

It is also interesting to note that Suzaku said to Nunnally the exact same thing that Lelouch said to her in Season 1 and that is that he will never lie to her. Once again he contradicted himself there cause he lied when he told her that the person on the phone was not her brother or the fact that Lelouch is in fact Zero.

Overall great ep and I know I haven't said much about the Ohgi Villeta development but frankly after all that happened this ep their scenes just wasn't all that interesting, I'd much preferred it if they showed more of Lelouch and C.C then going to their scenes. But overall 10/10 definitely. Very epic ep.

You made a very good point about Suzaku. It will be interesting to see how people will respond if that was posted in the Suzaku thread.

[Izayoi]

Did Lelouch take C.C's code, it was missing from her forehead, anyways DAMN C.C is moe while Nina is do not want!!! Nina is getting way too much air time.

[Ascaloth]

Watched this episode.

Wow.....great work, Code Geass. You've succeeded in mindfucking me. Great work. 10/10

[Freya]

Just watched sub and I finally get what in the world happened. I'm so sad one of my favorite characters is now gone...for awhile hopefully.

[bbduece]

Originally Posted by Setsilya~

Did Lelouch take C.C's code, it was missing from her forehead, anyways DAMN C.C is moe while Nina is do not want!!! Nina is getting way too much air time.

Yea why is Nina getting so much air time. I miss Li already.

[finalnight]

Not going to quote the entire thing, but to say its the "most epic piece of anime work ever" might be pushing it just a tad. It was an unbelievably good episode for sure, possibly the best of Code Geass, but most epic ever in the 50+ yr history of anime is a stretch.

[Jeffry2009]

What is going on around here? Sayoko & viletta Fight Each other (during ougi scene)!?

edit:- you know i 've just finished watchin 15.

[Methuselah]

"I know.. Your Geass... Of your true wish" Seems romantic enough from our thick headed Lelouch.

[bbduece]

Originally Posted by finalnight

Not going to quote the entire thing, but to say its the "most epic piece of anime work ever" might be pushing it just a tad. It was an unbelievably good episode for sure, possibly the best of Code Geass, but most epic ever in the 50+ yr history of anime is a stretch.

Some people like blue and some peole like yellow. Some people think this is awesome and epic and others think its borings. What makes this what it is, is up to the eye of the beholder. This is one of the two episode which i ranked lower compare to the other R2 episode, but that doesn't mean its not epic for whoever believes it is epic.

Saying that this episode is Epic is not a stretch what so ever but thats my opinion.

Most things are arbitrary anyways.

[FLCL]

2 words

EPIC WIN

i was never into the whole C.C. vs Kallen thing, but wow, C.C. got me now, sooooo cute

[holyman282]

Originally Posted by finalnight

Not going to quote the entire thing, but to say its the "most epic piece of anime work ever" might be pushing it just a tad. It was an unbelievably good episode for sure, possibly the best of Code Geass, but most epic ever in the 50+ yr history of anime is a stretch.

Bear in mind that it was merely an assumption based on my own opinion. Certainly I do not try nor have the intention of wanting everyone to believe my point of view, but was just how i felt. Also it could be the fact that I haven't watched many anime and out of the few choices I've seen this anime and specifically this ep stood out as one of the best.

[doozer667]

Okay, so this is what I get out of the episode from my analyzation. Feel free to tell me if I get something wrong:

Spoiler for Charles, V.V. and C.C.:

Charles became immortal through the death of V.V. (Or did V.V. die by some other means and Charles was already immortal?)
C.C. claimed to just want to die but in reality wanted to be loved and was willing to sacrifice herself for Lelouch. Lelouch caught on to this and told her he knew what her real wish was and said that he didn't want her to die like in the manner she was preparing to.
In the process of killing C.C. her knowledge of her past was almost completely eradicated, and possibly her powers have been eradicated along with them.

[superzombie23]

Originally Posted by bbduece

Some people like blue and some peole like yellow. Some people think this is awesome and epic and others think its borings. What makes this what it is, is up to the eye of the beholder. This is one of the two episode which i ranked lower compare to the other R2 episode, but that doesn't mean its not epic for whoever believes it is epic.

Saying that this episode is Epic is not a stretch what so ever but thats my opinion.

Most things are arbitrary anyways.

I completely agree with you bbdeuce. I don't think it's that good compared to other past R2 episodes. I found the episode lacking in epicness if you ask my opinion. If it had mind ***ked me, maybe it would get more praise, but it wasn't even close to scaring/confusing me. It should have shown CC getting stabbed by the Nun or something, which would have been EPIC. So, this episode only added more to the story and nothing else, and it constantly kept jumping around from scene to scene like in the Star Wars movies. + the characters, especially Lelouch was drawn weird in some parts >.> I'd say ep 24-25 of R1 is the most epic Geass episode so far.

[HayashiTakara]

V.V. gave Charles his immortality, and in turn was able to die, so in a way you could say it was Lelouch that killed V.V.

It seems to me that Lelouch is gonna try to give C.C. true love., as its her true desire.