Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (take 3)

[texansz28]

yeah right

[NoLongerSane]

You know something, I am going to buy the R2 DVD when they are released here in the states. I am going to listen to the comentary and see how much the Sunrise, Bandai, and whatever production company play apart of this show, and I am going to hear how much they played apart of making up this seasons story line.

[linkinstreet]

Originally Posted by texansz28

no, i mean he did not die, he just dissapear. And after all is finished, and both side killed each other, he will come with arthur and proceeds to follow up his work

[eaglei3]

Originally Posted by geewhiz

Kallen's basically in Orange's former place right about now. She's allied with a group that is fighting against the individual with whom she believes her sympathies truly lie...

To be honest, Orange has never fought against the man with whom his loyalty lies.

[zalem]

Does Nina know that Lulu is Zero? Considering her ties to Schneizel I would think she does, but that's kind of annoying...would have loved to see her reaction. If she still doesn't know then I do hope we get that reaction...

[eaglei3]

Originally Posted by zalem

Does Nina know that Lulu is Zero? Considering her ties to Schneizel I would think she does, but that's kind of annoying...would have loved to see her reaction. If she still doesn't know then I do hope we get that reaction...

No telling actually. She may or may not know.

[Magin]

4 hours till the RAW, and then another 8 or so hours for the translation on top of it

but at least it'll give you people something new to discuss

[cupahe]

Originally Posted by geewhiz

Kallen's basically in Orange's former place right about now. She's allied with a group that is fighting against the individual with whom she believes her sympathies truly lie...

that comparison doesnot really fly imo. shes not like orange at all, especially since she has not been fighting against lelouch. orange was but he had no knowledge of the situation. he was an unwitting piece in a cruel game of fate and irony.

orange also didn't have much of any morale conflicts in his changing of sides. he was loyal to marianne, lelouch is marianne's son, he followed lelouch. he doesnt have much loyalty to britannia or vv. kallen on the other hand has the order as a surogate family on one hand, and personal feelings on the other.

[texansz28]

i dont think she knows yet.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

I'm not ignoring anything. If you guys can't create something coherent then don't bother posting about it. I don't even know what you guys are talking about or what posts you guys are referring to. Think about what you guys want to say in your mind, get all the thread which proves your point and create something logical.

Originally Posted by cupahe

they are? they've been stretching out her closure for 22 episodes if that's the case. TTGL gave yoko closure at the halfway point, not at the near end, unless you are referring to Kittan? but that's hardly equivalent to this scenario.

Yoko was never interested in Kittan. She is still in love with Kamina. Which is why she didn't kiss Kittan back and she just hugged him. Yoko saw herself and Kittan getting married in the alternate universe but it's not really what she wishes. She wishes that she can fall in love and get married again with any guy. Kittan is somewhat as good as Kamina in terms of being a lover but she still couldn't feel feelings for him. Even in the fight with the anti-spiral, yoko's only line was about Kamina. In the end, she couldn't fall in love with anyone at all. Which is why her true desire is to fall in love again(with any guy) and not to be with Kittan.

[Dream_Traveller]

As well as arrogant, you're mind-numbingly dunce-like as well. Oh, well.

[geewhiz]

Originally Posted by cupahe

that comparison doesnot really fly imo. shes not like orange at all, especially since she has not been fighting against lelouch. orange was but he had no knowledge of the situation. he was an unwitting piece in a cruel game of fate and irony.

orange also didn't have much of any morale conflicts in his changing of sides. he was loyal to marianne, lelouch is marianne's son, he followed lelouch. he doesnt have much loyalty to britannia or vv. kallen on the other hand has the order as a surogate family on one hand, and personal feelings on the other.

You're kind of making my point. All indications are Kallen's willing to follow Lelouch ('cause she sure as hell isn't buying into the Schneizel fan club which the BK leaders essentially have) but she needs the same kind of "confirmation" that Jeremiah needed. Lelouch was darned straight with the truth when it came to Jeremiah; will his response be different with Kallen? We'll see...

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by cupahe

ive been thinking this over a bit, but what exactly is kallen's role going to be in the story from now on? she doesn't have to be the ace, not that she has been for much of this season, with suzaku acquring the albion and becoming the koz. her fighting against lelouch makes as much sense as running head first into a wall that's one fire and made of lava, so the possibility of her being the enemy ace seems unlikely. i can't really see them just sidelining her either, what with how much time they actually spent on her this season, so that's out too, though not completely unlikely.

so what role is she going to play now?

not much to update from 2ch, the old rumors/supposed info about kallen disappearing/getting shot down/whatever in 23 came back again.

Well, hard to say. Personally I'm still waiting to see jsut how she's supposedly an "essential character" to Lelouch at this point <_<. And as you say, her fightning against Lelouch wouldn't make much sense, not with the way they've developed her character. Still, code Geass doesn't always follow "common sense", sadly <_<. Episode 22 should give a hint on which path she'll take. But for now she is still clearly at the crossroads of decision, because she mentioned in episode 21 that she needs Lelouch's answer (probably to her question in) before she can move on. So if she gets that answer in 22, she might make her decision from there and on. But we'll see, they might want to keep us on our toes as far as her character goes, delaying her decision further. But we'll see.

[cupahe]

Originally Posted by geewhiz

You're kind of making my point. All indications are Kallen's willing to follow Lelouch ('cause she sure as hell isn't buying into the Schneizel fan club which the BK leaders essentially have) but she needs the same kind of "confirmation" that Jeremiah needed. Lelouch was darned straight with the truth when it came to Jeremiah; will his response be different with Kallen? We'll see...

ahh i misunderstood sorry

but that still doesnot really give her any definitive role at all. she'll make her decision... and? be just another ace in the story?

[Shippo]

Originally Posted by FuzzyWuzzy

I'm not ignoring anything. If you guys can't create something coherent then don't bother posting about it. I don't even know what you guys are talking about or what posts you guys are referring to. Think about what you guys want to say in your mind, get all the thread which proves your point and create something logical.




Yoko was never interested in Kittan. She is still in love with Kamina. Which is why she didn't kiss Kittan back and she just hugged him. Yoko saw herself and Kittan getting married in the alternate universe but it's not really what she wishes. She wishes that she can fall in love and get married again with any guy. Kittan is somewhat as good as Kamina in terms of being a lover but she still couldn't feel feelings for him. Even in the fight with the anti-spiral, yoko's only line was about Kamina. In the end, she couldn't fall in love with anyone at all. Which is why her true desire is to fall in love again(with any guy) and not to be with Kittan.

plz STFU you're just disturbing every one else

[texansz28]

kalulu will be decided this episode. there's no more time to bullshit if she is gonna be with him or not. but she'll go with him bc the plot dictates he needs another kmf. all he has is suzaku, jeremiah and maybe anya

[Scalious]

Originally Posted by FuzzyWuzzy

I'm not ignoring anything. If you guys can't create something coherent then don't bother posting about it. I don't even know what you guys are talking about or what posts you guys are referring to. Think about what you guys want to say in your mind, get all the thread which proves your point and create something logical.




Yoko was never interested in Kittan. She is still in love with Kamina. Which is why she didn't kiss Kittan back and she just hugged him. Yoko saw herself and Kittan getting married in the alternate universe but it's not really what she wishes. She wishes that she can fall in love and get married again with any guy. Kittan is somewhat as good as Kamina in terms of being a lover but she still couldn't feel feelings for him. Even in the fight with the anti-spiral, yoko's only line was about Kamina. In the end, she couldn't fall in love with anyone at all.

here's a question, what do YOU define as LOGICAL?

That your argument is based on a misinterperation, and in order to have an valid truth, it would have to be beyond terrieble writing. I know some people like to say the writing is bad. For the most part they are just blowing smoke though. this, however....would REALLY be bad writing.

A. You would have to ignore Lelouch's characters complety in order for this to be true
B. You would also have to ignore the fact that she was viceroy of area 11.

edit: yes at this point im just arguing for sake of IT, i don't expect to get thru to you at all to be honest. If anything I want to show how lopsided your arugement is

[geewhiz]

Originally Posted by cupahe

ahh i misunderstood sorry

LOL s'ok!

Originally Posted by cupahe

but that still doesnot really give her any definitive role at all. she'll make her decision... and? be just another ace in the story?

Just another ace...just the thought sounds disheartening....

[cupahe]

Originally Posted by geewhiz

Just another ace...just the thought sounds disheartening....

that's why i asked. the only thing unique left to her is her relationship with lelouch. with that seemingly getting wrapped up this ep, what's her role going to be?

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Originally Posted by texansz28

kalulu will be decided this episode. there's no more time to bullshit if she is gonna be with him or not. but she'll go with him bc the plot dictates he needs another kmf. all he has is suzaku, jeremiah and maybe anya

There's plenty of time. If Charles's ultimate plan, Marriane's death story, both of them dying and Lelouch being emperor can be in one episode, there's plenty of time for Kalulu story even if it's on the last turn. Kallen won't have her issues resolve till the last episode.