Bakemonogatari generic discussion

[Raiga]

I coulda sworn you did. o_O Never noticed that link before (then again, I haven't been logged out of Nico for a while). Well, ya learn something every day.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Originally Posted by orion

I'm just happy that Hanekawa showed up in ep. 4.

I agree that the OP is cute.

Personally, I prefer the new ED with illustrations by Hajime Ueda. It's practically Senjougahara's love song to Araragi. I like.

And Hanekawa was purrfect as usual. The "bakemono" aspect of her personality was quite apparent in this episode, despite her short screen time.

In contrast, Senjougahara's lack of screen time was definitely noticeable. Cute though Hachikuji is, she's a poor match for Senjougahara's acidic wit and presence, which is palpable even when she's off-screen ("Put down the staplers, tsundere-chan!!!").

As things stand though, I increasingly suspect there won't be any romantic feelings between Araragi and Senjougahara, especially given what Araragi observed in his fast-forward monologue at the beginning of the episode.

Araragi:
"Two years of that hell — I wonder how it felt.

"Perhaps that's why Senjougahara uncharacteristically felt such a debt to me, or perhaps she had to —

"Leaving aside the inconvenience in her body... The fact that she was able to get rid of the inconvenience in her heart was, perhaps, a very difficult result to obtain."

Understanding her state of mind, it's doubtful that Araragi would take Senjougahara seriously for the moment. There's just too much emotional distance between them for now.

It's also clear that Senjougahara possesses a great deal of pride that borders on outright snobbery. That's the root of her intense dislike for children — she doesn't know how to behave around them and, unlike Araragi and Hanekawa, she loathes interacting with them as equals. That would be "low-classed" behaviour far beneath her sense of dignity.

Given her aloofness, it's hardly surprising that Araragi doesn't quite connect with her, let alone develop something more than friendship. Nonetheless, the show does enjoy teasing with us, what with the thumping of Araragi's heart as Hanekawa tried to put two-and-two together, and with the "lover" icon that appeared on his mobile while talking to Oshino.

Meanwhile, it's interesting that — despite their dislike for each other — Hachikuji and Senjougahara have something in common: they both have a missing mother whom they long to meet. Or maybe that's the other reason for Senjougahara's instinctive hostility: she will not tolerate anyone sharing a common trait with her.

Talking about hostility though, I don't understand why Hachikuji bit Araragi's hand. It was an unprovoked attack. Snails don't attack people, do they? If anything, they're more likely to die squishy deaths when someone accidentally steps on them...

And, yeah, I don't get the punchline of Hachikuji's tongue-twister either.

[orion]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

Talking about hostility though, I don't understand why Hachikuji bit Araragi's hand. It was an unprovoked attack. Snails don't attack people, do they? If anything, they're more likely to die squishy deaths when someone accidentally steps on them...

Maybe, her ghost persona said, "Danger! Danger, Will Robinson!" and went into Hachikuji's version of predator avoidance mode.

Senjougahara's amount of screen time was about right as she is not a "globally likeable" character but more an "acquired taste" character imo. She is also quickly becoming fanservice bait. In her case, less is more.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

So wait. Kizumonogatari is a prequel to Bakemonogatari?

Yeah, want to know so I'm gonna quote myself.

[aulzon]

Talking about hostility though, I don't understand why Hachikuji bit Araragi's hand. It was an unprovoked attack. Snails don't attack people, do they? If anything, they're more likely to die squishy deaths when someone accidentally steps on them...

It could be she is hungry.

[Woland]

I noticed that there's no ending illustration in the sub I have (a mix of frostii, qq, gg) at least until episode 4. Not a problem because they can be easily found on the official website (with the extended previews) http://www.bakemonogatari.com/special/

someone please could tell who is the author for illustration for 2 (*_*) and 3?

Anyway I collected them all from the raws.

[apr]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Yeah, want to know so I'm gonna quote myself.

Kizumonogatari is a prequel. It takes place 1-2 months before Bakemonogatari.

[asrielchase]

Originally Posted by Woland

someone please could tell who is the illustration for 2 (*_*) and 3?

Anyway I collected them all from the raws.

#2 is シオミヤイルカ, who also did the illustrations for another series by Nisioisin.

#3 is 小林尽, manga-ka of Natsu no Arashi!

[sirn]

Originally Posted by Woland

someone please could tell who is the illustration for 2 (*_*) and 3?

#2 Iruka Shiomiya (Nisio Isin's Zerozaki Soushiki no Ningen Shiken manga artist; related by Kodansha BOX)
#3 Jin Kobayashi (School Rumble, Natsu no Arashi author; related by SHAFT)

[Woland]

Many thanks guys (Kobayashi of course! what a miss)

Certainly Hitagi is leading for now, even in this field (well I'm expecting at least one Mayoi illustration in next episode, maybe from VOFAN)

[Sol Falling]

Shaft is just pure enjoyment. Nothing compares.

On the conversation thus far:

1. Not really digging the 'brilliant writing' etc. comments, or interpretations of artistic meaning into the stylistic choices of the show. While some interesting points have been pointed out (the 'crab' and 'snail' symbolic imagery is especially apparent now that it's been pointed out), c'mon guys, it's not that deep (direction-wise)/subtle (writing-wise).

2. As much as Senjougahara brings to the show for me, I'm not liking the somewhat exaggerated fanboyism either. Again, she's not that hot/attractive (lol holy shit I am gonna get lynched for that--okay, okay, maybe she is :P). I am just not looking forward to prospective future whining from people who'll dump on any episode without much of her in it.

3. Um, the answer to Mayoi's 'mankind eats dreams' riddle seems pretty clear to me. Mayoi's just expressing a stereotypical sentiment of adults/grumpy old men/greedy corporations crushing the hopes and dreams of innocent children (etc. etc.), which is why Araragi responds "that's not clever at all".

On the new OP:

It's somewhat unsettling.

On Nishio Ishin:

This is actually a bit of a negative for me as I'm finding Medaka Box mediocre.

On the ridiculous oversubbing:

I usually associate gg with quality, but their ep1 seemed to suck. Minimal typesetting, and in comparison to qIIq's their wording felt significantly less natural. There were numerous (I suppose generally minor) differences in translation as well, though, which I've no idea about, so I ended up keeping both of them.

Translation differences persist with ep2, though with the later episodes gg's got full typesetting now, and I've stopped noticing awkward wording. I am basically pretty damn confused about who I should archive, though.

Frostii's come out with ep1 as well now, way too late to the party. I'm nearly tempted to download theirs as well, though, just to get one more perspective.

Anybody got an opinion on this? I suppose who's got the most accurate translation is the most important thing.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by apr

Kizumonogatari is a prequel. It takes place 1-2 months before Bakemonogatari.

Thank you, thank you.

[klare]

Originally Posted by Woland

I noticed that there's no ending illustration in the sub I have (a mix of frostii, qq, gg) at least until episode 4. Not a problem because they can be easily found on the official website (with the extended previews) http://www.bakemonogatari.com/special/

someone please could tell who is the author for illustration for 2 (*_*) and 3?

Anyway I collected them all from the raws.

thx, but too small for wallpaper...

[Sephiroth_760]

Originally Posted by apr

Kizumonogatari is a prequel. It takes place 1-2 months before Bakemonogatari.

but its only a light novel, right?

[apr]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth_760

but its only a light novel, right?

What does this mean? I don't understand the question.

[Woland]

Originally Posted by klare

thx, but too small for wallpaper...

Well, I've seen bigger raw "floating around", you can try to get those if you are interested.

[tripperazn]

Originally Posted by klare

thx, but too small for wallpaper...

If you're interested, I found the 2nd one at 1280x720 on konachan.

Originally Posted by apr

What does this mean? I don't understand the question.

It means that Kizumonogatari is only available as a Japanese novel, it's not animated, and isn't going to be animated, at least this season.

[Kuroko]

Originally Posted by Woland

Is the fourth one done by Yoshikawa Miki (yankee-kun to megane-chan)?

[tripperazn]

Originally Posted by Kuroko

Is the fourth one done by Yoshikawa Miki (yankee-kun to megane-chan)?

Yup, the signature scribbled on there says 吉河美希 (Yoshikawa Miki), good eye!

[DragoZERO]

Wish those images were at the end of each preview of the episodes. They are really great.