(L) Ichiban Ushiro no Dai Maou

[Xagzan]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

This is an awesome series, truly. The pace is definitely picking up too.

And Junko is an awesome, awesome, awesome tsundere. I did feel bad for Keina, spending her birthday all alone like that.

Well done tsunderes are among the best things in the world, no doubt. And Junko is too adorable.

Well, thankfully Keena didn't seem too upset he wasn't there. Plus he did show up pretty quickly to save her.

[Saturn Beaver]

Originally Posted by mangatron

heh, I forgot to mention why Fumoffu worked and why something like Gundam Seed can't pull a Fumoffu: Fumoffu worked for FMP because in Season 1 of FMP, we got a few peeks at what Sagara's school life is like in a story that was mostly serious, and how hilarious it could be if continued. As well as for manga readers, who got to see so in more detail before Fumoffu arrived, in which the school comedy approach Fumoffu took was eventually well recieved. Something like Gundam Seed can't pull a Fumoffu because, well, that would mean characters doing something we didn't see them do before, which can very well make or definitely break our perception of the series in its entirety.

Dai Maou could work if we base it on the fact that the novels play the "romantic school comedy" quite heavily even throughout 8 volumes, and since we've already seen what Sai's school life is like (especially with Korone around, and the fact he desires a school life), I'd welcome such a thing, if only for 12 episodes. Or the fact we don't see much Lily so far

Yeah, they can pull off a Fumoffu in theory, but well, writing comedy is not easy. I think Fumoffu was mostly written by the original light novel author, right? In my opinion that was one of the reason why it works, he got a good handle about the characters he created and knows how to make them funny. Very often characters are exaggerated for the purposes for comedy (Junko will be just a stereotypical tsundere, Keena a major airhead) that it feels like they're acting slightly out of character.

For practical reasons though, the reason I don't think it'll work is budget. FMP is already a popular franchise and got some good money backing it up, which I don't is the case for this series. I'd like something like that too, but to be honest consider ourself very lucky if we can get a new season.

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

This is an awesome series, truly. The pace is definitely picking up too.

And Junko is an awesome, awesome, awesome tsundere. I did feel bad for Keina, spending her birthday all alone like that.

Yup, Junko is a very awesome tsundere. At first she seems like the stereotypical tsundere, quick to misunderstandings and even quicker to solve it with violence, but over the course of the episodes she really develops. She even had a heart-to-heart discussion with Akuto at one point! She's really a good friend, which hurts her because she's really fallen for Akuto but is firmly stuck in the friend zone, I really feel bad for her this episode.

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

That's why expecting the same of Akuto, who is the farthest thing you can have from your typical fantasy anime protagonist, and apply the 'hero formula' to him was foolhardy. Really, he has more in common with the antagonists of such fantasy anime (ie. the 'villains), so you should expect similar things from him. From OHKO'ing minions, to defeating non-major characters in less than an episode, to having tricks up his sleeve that comes out of nowhere. His motivations might not be 'villainous', but his attitude (not showing mercy to the delinquents) and his means to do so (that he will take the down the world if he has to in order to accomplish his goals) are something that is shared by the vast majority of 'villains' out there.

Yeah, looking at his actions and motivations Akuto will never be a typical hero, at most he'll be an anti-hero. I can accept that, but the thing that's bothering me is newfound powers that came up without any explanations at all. I mean, at the third episode we saw that he can suddenly twist limbs where previously all we saw him do is huge blast of mana, but at least he said something like "I can do this if I manipulate my mana like so".

However, last episode he opens a portal without saying anything like it's something he did all the time, and so's the case for the regenerating limb. I understand that him being a Demon Lord makes that a bit more plausible, but I'll be more satisfied if he says something like "I need to go there ASAP. Open a portal!" or "Do you think that will stop a Demon Lord? Regenerate limb!" Sorry, it's just that it seems like an asspull and I always dislike that (foreshadowing though, I really adore).

Originally Posted by Xagzan

I hear that. I got hooked on it pretty much when I first heard it.

Agreed, if there's a reason why I can tolerate them using that same soundtrack over and over again when battling or something, it's because I really like it.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Saturn Beaver

Yeah, looking at his actions and motivations Akuto will never be a typical hero, at most he'll be an anti-hero. I can accept that, but the thing that's bothering me is newfound powers that came up without any explanations at all. I mean, at the third episode we saw that he can suddenly twist limbs where previously all we saw him do is huge blast of mana, but at least he said something like "I can do this if I manipulate my mana like so".

However, last episode he opens a portal without saying anything like it's something he did all the time, and so's the case for the regenerating limb. I understand that him being a Demon Lord makes that a bit more plausible, but I'll be more satisfied if he says something like "I need to go there ASAP. Open a portal!" or "Do you think that will stop a Demon Lord? Regenerate limb!" Sorry, it's just that it seems like an asspull and I always dislike that (foreshadowing though, I really adore).

I think is just a matter of mana control, as mentioned near the beginning of the show. Akuto has a lot of mana he can utilize, but lacked control at first. Then as he can control his mana better, he is able to do more things off his thoughts. When he beat the delinquents up, he mentioned something like, "ah, so this is how you do it. I didn't realize how easy it was", or something to that effect.

Just a thought occurred. So, if he can regenerate an arm, I wonder if he can make his other arm generate a temporary clone. That way, he will have twice the fighting power.

[Saturn Beaver]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

I think is just a matter of mana control, as mentioned near the beginning of the show. Akuto has a lot of mana he can utilize, but lacked control at first. Then as he can control his mana better, he is able to do more things off his thoughts. When he beat the delinquents up, he mentioned something like, "ah, so this is how you do it. I didn't realize how easy it was", or something to that effect.

Just a thought occurred. So, if he can regenerate an arm, I wonder if he can make his other arm generate a temporary clone. That way, he will have twice the fighting power.

Yeah, at the very least I want him to say something to acknowledge his newfound powers, like what he did against the delinquents. After all, it's a pretty huge leap - it makes a bit of sense that the mana in the air can be manipulated to create a Spirit Bomb and further manipulation can twist someone's leg, but to create a teleportation portal and instantenous regeneration of lost limb is a whole different field entirely. Well, if they aren't going to give any explanations (and I'm pessimistic that they will) I'm just going to believe that the portal is something Korone created before her deactivation and the lost limb regeneration is something genetic for a Demon Lord.

[mangatron]

Originally Posted by Saturn Beaver

Yeah, they can pull off a Fumoffu in theory, but well, writing comedy is not easy. I think Fumoffu was mostly written by the original light novel author, right?

I believe there were two people working on FMP, which went in the order of novel->manga->anime. Where the anime came from I seem to have forgotten, but I definitely read the manga before Fumoffu came around. I do recall reading the novel, and it may have been the particular part I read, but it was serious stuff. Anyways, I honestly lost track of FMP novel happenings after people plastered Day by Day spoilers all over IRC several years ago

Amusing Dai Maou took a similar path (novel->manga->anime). I wouldn't bank heavily on comedy if I were to take charge, just the school romance part, mostly anyways. I probably can't say anything about whether or not writing comedy is hard, considering I'm still actively involved in that and my answer would biased, but I will say this: when was the last time there was an Excel Saga? In the last four years, anyways, or did I miss something while I was in stasis?

For practical reasons though, the reason I don't think it'll work is budget. FMP is already a popular franchise and got some good money backing it up, which I don't is the case for this series. I'd like something like that too, but to be honest consider ourself very lucky if we can get a new season.

Sure budget plays a major role in all this, considering the times as well as, well, differences (KyoAni worked on fumoffu). I guess what I'm really pushing for is at least have Lily in one of the 3 upcoming episodes, that would be enough for me to declare the "fun ride" line of approval I stamp on series end.

Speaking of Junko, I look way back when episode 01 aired, and I immediately noted how she wasn't the typical tsundere, and how I'm amused at the nice change. I guess I should say now, it's nice to see they still maintained it well up to today.

[Saturn Beaver]

Originally Posted by mangatron

I believe there were two people working on FMP, which went in the order of novel->manga->anime. Where the anime came from I seem to have forgotten, but I definitely read the manga before Fumoffu came around. I do recall reading the novel, and it may have been the particular part I read, but it was serious stuff. Anyways, I honestly lost track of FMP novel happenings after people plastered Day by Day spoilers all over IRC several years ago

Amusing Dai Maou took a similar path (novel->manga->anime). I wouldn't bank heavily on comedy if I were to take charge, just the school romance part, mostly anyways. I probably can't say anything about whether or not writing comedy is hard, considering I'm still actively involved in that and my answer would biased, but I will say this: when was the last time there was an Excel Saga? In the last four years, anyways, or did I miss something while I was in stasis?

I think it's primarily based on the light novel, as I remembered the manga was not that long and it doesn't cover much of the plot in the light novel and in the anime. In fact I think it take a more humorous path near the end, or was it another manga spinoff? Anyways, it's quite common, in fact, for a light novel that is adapted into anime to have a manga adaptation to accompany it. What's interesting is that the manga are generally less popular than either the anime or the light novel, with To Aru being a major exception.

When I'm saying it's hard, I'm not saying it's impossible, just not easy to do. I don't know, it's mostly personal opinion, I personally find it easier to make a rousing speech than a stand-up comedy. But for example, one of the comedy series this season is Working!!, and although it's pretty good and I enjoyed watching it I feel (and at least one other person agreed) that there are funnier workcoms in the Western media. Last time I really found an anime series hilarious from end to end beside Fumoffu is Baka Test and Seto no Hanayome, although admittedly my anime repertoire is not that large at all...

Originally Posted by mangatron

Sure budget plays a major role in all this, considering the times as well as, well, differences (KyoAni worked on fumoffu). I guess what I'm really pushing for is at least have Lily in one of the 3 upcoming episodes, that would be enough for me to declare the "fun ride" line of approval I stamp on series end.

Speaking of Junko, I look way back when episode 01 aired, and I immediately noted how she wasn't the typical tsundere, and how I'm amused at the nice change. I guess I should say now, it's nice to see they still maintained it well up to today.

Well, I'm certain that Lily will definitely makes an appearance, but the question is how much and how good it will be. And yes, for me Junko is one of hte main appeal of the series. I've stated from the first episode that she has a great relationship with Akuto and it's shown that without all the misunderstandings she's a really great friend, and it's been proven lately.

[eiyuu99]

FMP started from light novels. The manga (9 volumes) covered until [Toy Box] Arc and some Fumoffu.


Imagine a monster ate Akuto's dismembered limb and get powered up even more.

[Dahak86]

he just needs to touch'em or to be near them (monsters) and they immediatly grow into huge-supa-powered up mode. lol I guess Akuto could easily replace Chuck Norris in most of the random facts about him. Now, that would be fun. I wonder what kind of new powers Akuto will use next ep...

[Saturn Beaver]

Originally Posted by Dahak86

he just needs to touch'em or to be near them (monsters) and they immediatly grow into huge-supa-powered up mode. lol I guess Akuto could easily replace Chuck Norris in most of the random facts about him. Now, that would be fun. I wonder what kind of new powers Akuto will use next ep...

Nah, Akuto needs to use his Demon Lord mana first to charge up those monsters, not just simply touching or being near them. Even with the egg there needs to be some blue glow first (to be fair, it may be accidental) but in the last episode with Fujiko's monsters they don't immediately grow bigger/stronger when they picked up Akuto.

[Francismeunier]

What a great episode! A amazing twist on Keena being the law of Identity. Quick question and no I did not read the other posts........if Keena can control all Gods with a immaterial body then

a)What is that body again or exactly?

b)If Sai really thinks he can destroy the Gods and their system...I think he is insane and nuts in his head to even think he can oppose them but regardless the question would center more on what would Yamato get with Keena controlling the Gods if she controls them and he wants to free them?

Another nice revelation was with Hoshino Yuri being really Yuuko Hattori. What really bothered me was not knowing how she got bitten by a monster exactly but most of all this=>

Spoiler:

Why the heck could not Sai think of something on the spot to get rid of that monster mana on Yuuko? I am still at Sai for not doing something like that and also at Sai for making Junko cry.

Finally my new favorite is Yamato Bouichirou here=>

because I love that post of his but also his technique. Go Yamato kill Sai and get Keena on your side + he is the one who gave her the hair pin right? Or it's villain's lie? Anyways this guy's cutting in dimension thing is amazing but Sai of course regenerating was surprising. Oh and Dahak86 you going to thank me once I put a load of Eiko GIFs from this episode just for you but man I found out over 27 GIFs just to make of this episode and 10 are over Junko only. Anyways can't wait to see Yamato slaughter all the monsters at least next episode.....really like him more now.

[Dahak86]

Originally Posted by Saturn Beaver

Nah, Akuto needs to use his Demon Lord mana first to charge up those monsters, not just simply touching or being near them. Even with the egg there needs to be some blue glow first (to be fair, it may be accidental) but in the last episode with Fujiko's monsters they don't immediately grow bigger/stronger when they picked up Akuto.

well, yeah. I was implying that. His demon lord mana is needed... but I think monsters react to the flow of Akuto's mana, even against his will sometimes... just like in the egg-case, there's was the blue glow yes, but he didn't need to do anything else apart from just touchin' it, and it reacted to his mana getting bigger and bigger. And in Yuuko's case too, the mana-monster inside her body was activating with Akuto just being there, and against his will, I guess... that's why he suddenly walked away through the teleporting-tree. (Or was it caused by the previous Mana discharge Akuto did to scare off Eiko?)... and about fujiko's monsters, mmhh... Yeah, I guess you're right... they didn't get bigger... maybe Akuto was serious at that moment, and he was perfectly controlling the flow of his mana, dunno... but who knows, maybe in the next ep, he'll make them bigger/powerfull on purpose. but I may be wrong as well... since i'm not at your/mangatron's overthinking level, feel free to correct me. ;D

[eiyuu99]

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Akuto didn't have much time to help Yuuko, with Keena in danger.
Since he knows monsters react to him, staying away may buy more time.

[Saturn Beaver]

Yeah, I think when monsters get power up the easiest way to do that is by unleashing a direct mana blast (two-headed chicken), but a direct touch can do it too as with the egg. Yuuko is a bit strange, after all she was in close proximity to Akuto for quite a some time and not affected at all. I guess it requires direct contact with the monster parasite (either direct touch or mana, and I'm assuming Akuto didn't touch Yuuko much) and when it finally got affected it was due to his mana discharge feeding the air around him. I don't know, but it makes some sense.

[Dahak86]

lol, we need mangatron to clear out any doubt! without him we're lost...

[FlareKnight]

Talk about a complicated day for Akuto. Just way too much stuff going on at the same time for him to deal with. Have Junko crying, her sister being affected by that monster mana, and then Keena in danger. Even with all his powers there is only so much he can deal with at once. Wonder if he'll just go straight after the Gods or deal with other things on the way.

Sadly the situation with Junko really was a double effect. She didn't make her feelings clear except with possibly that look at the end. Akuto also completely missed that he was in a marriage interview and couldn't read how Junko felt at all.

But wow just opening up a tree to teleport .

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Xagzan

Well done tsunderes are among the best things in the world, no doubt. And Junko is too adorable.

Well, thankfully Keena didn't seem too upset he wasn't there. Plus he did show up pretty quickly to save her.

Junko is my new number one. Gonna put her in my avatar & sig next chance I get.

Originally Posted by Saturn Beaver

Yeah, I think when monsters get power up the easiest way to do that is by unleashing a direct mana blast (two-headed chicken), but a direct touch can do it too as with the egg. Yuuko is a bit strange, after all she was in close proximity to Akuto for quite a some time and not affected at all. I guess it requires direct contact with the monster parasite (either direct touch or mana, and I'm assuming Akuto didn't touch Yuuko much) and when it finally got affected it was due to his mana discharge feeding the air around him. I don't know, but it makes some sense.

I think Akuto has to be releasing his power. While he was in the mansion he was just chilling. It wasn't until he started to fight, using his power, that the bite started to react. It was pretty good twist too.

And LOL at Fujiko giving the monsters panties so they obey her.

[Dahak86]

Originally Posted by Saturn Beaver

I guess it requires direct contact with the monster parasite (either direct touch or mana, and I'm assuming Akuto didn't touch Yuuko much) and when it finally got affected it was due to his mana discharge feeding the air around him. I don't know, but it makes some sense.

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

I think Akuto has to be releasing his power. While he was in the mansion he was just chilling. It wasn't until he started to fight, using his power, that the bite started to react. It was pretty good twist too.

Yeah, I fully agree. That's the only reasonable explanation. the bite started to react due to Akuto's mana discharge to scare away Eiko. It makes sense to me.

[JediNight]

Well done tsunderes are among the best things in the world, no doubt. And Junko is too adorable.

Well, thankfully Keena didn't seem too upset he wasn't there. Plus he did show up pretty quickly to save her.

Maybe because that means they are acting the most like a real person with a wide range of emotion? ;p

[chaos_animagic]

So.... this turns out to be a fight between the Demon Lord and the Gods....

And the Gods are the "evil ones" as they are trying to kill off those that would pose a threat against them (even tho "them" never knew or did anything of the sort as a threat)

Akuto's awesome... (maybe it's cause I like to watch God/Church, etc get PWNed...)


O yea... I LOL'ed hard at the Fujiko part... control the monsters by giving them panties... LOL, such perverted monsters.

[Arashi500]

Originally Posted by chaos_animagic

So.... this turns out to be a fight between the Demon Lord and the Gods....

And the Gods are the "evil ones" as they are trying to kill off those that would pose a threat against them (even tho "them" never knew or did anything of the sort as a threat)

Akuto's awesome... (maybe it's cause I like to watch God/Church, etc get PWNed...)


O yea... I LOL'ed hard at the Fujiko part... control the monsters by giving them panties... LOL, such perverted monsters.

Really what non-heavily christian doesn't lol. Can't wait till friday.
And Francismeunier, I don;t see whats hard about breaking computer hardware(the gods).