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^That wasn't quite Milan's point. Specifically, you've mentioned several times that it was Susano'o and the chakra used to power the technique that drove Sasuke into a corner (as you say, it "envelop[s]" him), but, in reality, Sasuke is driven back due to fear plain and simple (it is fear of Itachi and his Susano'o), and not due to the physical manifistation of Itachi's chakra. That is the difference that Milan was pointing out.
That being said, everything else you've said (well, I've only skimmed, so I really shouldn't say "everything"), seems more or less correct (and it repeats what Hunter already laid out a page ago). Susano'o is a solid barrier of pure chakra that fully extends around the user. It is similar to the Bijuu Shroud that all Jinchuuriki can use (well, besides Gaara), in that it completely engulfs the user (though Susano'o is better because it provides real defense, unlike the Bijuu Shroud which simply enhances abilities) and there is no hollow center just a complete extension. |
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So yea, he backed up himself initially (before Itachi was at striking range). |
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2010-08-20, 00:56 | Link #283 |
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But it still isn't Susanoo itself keeping Sasuke from moving. It is fear. Sasuke doesn't attack because he's lost all hope of winning, not because he is incapable (not that he had anything left to do it with). He was scared by an enemy with unimaginable powers who just wouldn't be brought down. No nonsense about pressure holding him, no close range blocking. He just lost the will.
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Sasuke is not going to abandon a chance at winning simply because Itachi showed him how powerful he was before he started coughing blood and weakening. It was Susanoo which protects Itachi even as Itachi was so close to Sasuke - so close that a punch would've ended everything. But the punch never came thanks to Susanoo. |
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2010-08-20, 01:22 | Link #285 |
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When the almighty enemy coughs blood, he used his chance. It failed horribly. You seem to have a skewed idea of how things went down, so let me spell it out for you.
Itachi has just defeated Orochimaru. He's about to start walking when he suddenly hacks up blood. Sasuke sees an opportunity and tosses some exploding tags on a kunai. Shield blocks it. Sasuke gets more tags and tries again. Shield blocks it. Sasuke tries a desperate stab attack and gets thrown on his ass while his sword flies off into the distance. He stands back up only to find there's a wall behind him and Itachi in front of him. He freezes up and Itachi closes in. This blood-coughing, half-dead enemy blocked everything he threw at him after the blood cough happened, not before, so stop fixating on that. Look at his "oh shit" face after every attack. That is fear. He knows he's lost, and every failed attack is hammering that point home. Sasuke tried to take advantage and couldn't. When you're so weak that an obviously near-death foe is still leagues beyond you, you start being afraid. It had nothing to do with Susanoo holding him down. It was fear, no two ways about it.
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That being said, why are we even discussing this? If you want to prove the stability of Susano'o this is the most ass-backwards way of arguing the issue. As Milan has shown, Sasuke was clearly not physically confined by Susano'o, so arguing the issue is essentially pointless to the main discussion (which you are correct about) |
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And if the interior of Susanoo is really hollow, Itachi would of course know about it too, and he wouldn't be so confident in moving towards Sasuke until he was in front of him. Obviously Itachi knew that Sasuke wouldn't be able to counter attack, even if Sasuke is inside of his Susanoo. Quote:
Sasuke never counter attack because he couldn't, not because he suddenly became a girl after everything he had went through. Voluntarily sacrificing the final opportunity to overcome the enemy, especially when the oh-so-powerful enemy was on the verge of collaspe is not logical. You are entitled to your illogical opinion, however. |
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- - Morbosfist tried to argue that Sasuke would be able to hit Itachi inside of his Susanoo, but he refrained from attacking Itachi from within Susanoo because Itachi blocked all his previous attacks from outside, LOL. Not making sense. - - I was arguing that Sasuke understood that even within Susanoo, his attacks would simply be blocked by Susanoo's chakra from within, so any attack is meaningless, and that's the reason why Sasuke broke, he knew there was nothing he could do to prevent Itachi from taking his eye. |
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You, however, are trying to argue that Sasuke lost all hope after he knew Susanoo can be breached from within, but never do it because of he was too afraid of Itachi for blocking all of his attacks from outside. |
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The fact is, he did not attack because he was scared. No matter how much you try to twist and turn the scenario, that never changes. He could move inside Susanoo. It's been proven. It has nothing to do with his inaction.
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Which is completely wrong, as Milan proved. You need to give this up. THere are a lot better ways to prove the point. You've focused on a flawed one.
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Really, you are simply saying that Sasuke can attack Itachi from within Susanoo, but refrained from doing so after witnessing all his attacks from outside Susanoo blocked by Susanoo and became afraid that attacking from within is equally futile, even after he knew there is a space (obviously not true) inside Susanoo allowing him to strike. Quote:
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