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GUTB_ · 2003-12-05, 20:24

As we saw from the flashback with Negi's dad, one solid hit with the soft-fist to a vital organ will instantly kill someone. Of course, Neji doesn't want to kill anyone in the exam but it's the fact that the 64 Hands, the ultimate technique, is so weak in comparison.

If Lee's speed back in the prelims is anything to go by, Neji is just your typical strong-nin quick, while Lee is the Flash. Neji would never hit him as not even Garaa's sand is fast enough to defend him against Lee going at 100% speed. Unlike Garaa's sand which is AUTOMATIC and happens without Garaa even thinking about it, Kaiten requires that Neji react in time to activate the move. And the move only lasts for a second -- Neji has to apply it every time he is attacked, while the Armor of Sand just needs to be innitiated once per fight, and Garaa remains protected. In the majority of fights, most nins will never get past the automatic sand defense anyway.

So the real cool thing about Neji is Bakyugan and the Hyuga-style taijutsu that can kill instantly in one hit. His ultimate techniques are kind of weak for what they are, while his low-level techniques are kind of restrictive but really strong when they hit.

hobobaggins · 2003-12-05, 20:27

hakake<rasengan
hakake<chidori
hakake<netherworldly ressurection
hakake<mange sharingan
hakake<bukake... i mean... err. n/m
hakake<shuriken kagebunshin
hakake<boot to the balls no jutsu
hakake<summoning no jutsu

what be you on?

wnkryo · 2003-12-05, 20:32

Well, the attack would be awsome agianst normal ninjas or even advance ninjas. But agianst Naruto's limit-less chakra, it has minimal effect.

AnimeFangirl · 2003-12-05, 21:21

It remains to be seen whether Neji has truly mastered the 64 hands of Hakke or not. Being able to do it and being a master of it are two different things. The fact that two whole opponents have walked off hale and hearty after receiving this "ultimate technique" suggests that there's something Neji's missing. Either that or there's a REAL ultimate technique that he hasn't figured out yet. Come to think of it, I don't remember anyone calling Hakke an "ultimate technique..."

**monir** · 2003-12-05, 21:48

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Originally Posted by GUTB_

If Lee's speed back in the prelims is anything to go by, Neji is just your typical strong-nin quick, while Lee is the Flash. Neji would never hit him as not even Garaa's sand is fast enough to defend him against Lee going at 100% speed. Unlike Garaa's sand which is AUTOMATIC and happens without Garaa even thinking about it, Kaiten requires that Neji react in time to activate the move. And the move only lasts for a second -- Neji has to apply it every time he is attacked, while the Armor of Sand just needs to be innitiated once per fight, and Garaa remains protected. In the majority of fights, most nins will never get past the automatic sand defense anyway.

Finally, seen the episode..phewwww..I would like to response to this, but I have no idea what is Neji's ultimate defense is. As Hobobaggins pointed out already that Lee himself admitted he could not beat Neji. Lee also believed Neji was the one to beat to win the tournament. Lee was breaking the sound barrier and still the sand caught up eventually until he opened all the gates. That was when he had the advantage over Gaara, but as we all know that advantage was shortlived for he had himself worned out physically and mentally. His resolve alone could not win the match although it was admirable. End result was he might be incapcitated for the rest of his life.

So, if Neji can come up with something of that defense (yet to know what Neji's ultimate defense is, unless that all-out Chakra release was that defense) and can hold off Lee for few crucial moments Lee will beat himself up since he is not going to hold back. That's Lee's way of ninja. *he is so cool*.

GUTB_ · 2003-12-05, 22:12

Lee had to open his Celestial Gates because the modified Renge he tried prior to that placed too much strain on his body, causing him to loose focus for an instant giving Gaara a chance to escape. If Lee just had the luck or extra toughness to sustain the strain of doing the modified Renge, Garaa would have lost (well, no he wouldn't but that's getting into major spoilers). Lee had to use a modified Renge because Garaa coated with all that sand was much to heavy for the regular Renge to work. He wouldn't have that problem against any other nin.

If Lee opens his Celestial Gates, he will obliterate Neji. He'd move so fast and hit so hard that Neji would be in peices before he had the chance to try anything. Garaa only survived because the Armor of Sand bought him just barely enough time for Lee's body to fail under the pressure. If Lee could last just few seconds longer, Garaa would have lost. Since Neji doesn't have a persistent perfect defense like Garaa does, Neji would be destroyed in one instant.

AnimeFangirl · 2003-12-05, 22:15

In a real life battle, maybe so. In fighting manga the character always has to try the weakest stuff first before going all out with the Gates, by which time Lee will have already had all his tenketsu closed, his internal organs bruised and his mule handed to him on a silver platter.

Starfall · 2003-12-05, 22:33

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Originally Posted by Vicious

Holy JESUS Neji kicks major ass!
And it's the truth. To be able to use the 64 Hands at 13, Neji really kicks ass.

Yep yep, There's no way Naruto could stand up after that.... I thik thats a little too much for him. He hadn't realeased any kyuubi chakra at that point.....

**monir** · 2003-12-05, 22:56

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Originally Posted by GUTB_

If Lee just had the luck or extra toughness to sustain the strain of doing the modified Renge, Garaa would have lost (well, no he wouldn't but that's getting into major spoilers). Lee had to use a modified Renge because Garaa coated with all that sand was much to heavy for the regular Renge to work. He wouldn't have that problem against any other nin.

If Lee opens his Celestial Gates, he will obliterate Neji. He'd move so fast and hit so hard that Neji would be in peices before he had the chance to try anything. Garaa only survived because the Armor of Sand bought him just barely enough time for Lee's body to fail under the pressure. If Lee could last just few seconds longer, Garaa would have lost. Since Neji doesn't have a persistent perfect defense like Garaa does, Neji would be destroyed in one instant.

My ignorance is not a bliss. Allright, spoil me a little so I can argue

. What is Neji's Ultimate defense? How does it work? We know their fighting techinques, although different in style, are modified for close combat. So naturally they have to be fast. I am assuming Neji is as fast as Lee till the point Lee opens his Celestial Gates in close combat (although Neji was surprised when Lee discarded all those weights in the fight against Gaara) because doing sixty plus moves in less than second is fast. That also suggests Lee has to outspeed Neji from the begining of their fight otherwise Neji will simply close his Chakra point and rendering him useless.

They are both geniuses. Both mastered superior techniques at their age which otherwise was unheard off. To me, its kind of impossible to foresee who is going to win. Btw, there is way to many if's. Lee-san is not going to like that..

Kamui4356 · 2003-12-06, 04:06

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Originally Posted by Dorfl

In a real life battle, maybe so. In fighting manga the character always has to try the weakest stuff first before going all out with the Gates, by which time Lee will have already had all his tenketsu closed, his internal organs bruised and his mule handed to him on a silver platter.

Lee knows enough not to hold back against Neji. He'd go right for the gates if he ever had fought him. Against Gaara, Lee didn't know how strong he was and all the genin thought the main matchs were going to be right after the prelims. If Gaara wasn't that strong and Lee used the gates from the start, it would have been a dumb move, since the gates hurt the user as well. If Lee knew Gaara's strength, he would have used the gates immediately.
Anyway, if Lee doesn't use the gates against Neji he will lose. Lee said it himself, he was saving them specificily for Neji.

Mephisto03 · 2003-12-06, 06:19

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Originally Posted by GUTB_

If Lee just had the luck or extra toughness to sustain the strain of doing the modified Renge, Garaa would have lost (well, no he wouldn't but that's getting into major spoilers).

Gaara could still have died from the attack if it were fully effective. Doesn't matter about what happens later. Why do you think he was so scared when he was being attacked. Everyone in his village was affraid of him cause of his technique but lee obviously got through it cause of the gates and was able to make a critical kill but couln't.

GreyArea · 2003-12-06, 11:01

monir, the Kaiten, or 'Heavenly Spin' is Nejis ultimate defence.

And to GUTB_, it wasnt Neji's dad that killed that guy in one hit, it was Hinata's. And he was able to kill that guy in one hit because he is very experienced and an immensely strong guy. Neji is a kid.

TheGreatYakoshi · 2003-12-06, 14:11

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Originally Posted by hobobaggins

hakke<bukakke... i mean... err

LMAO! XD

Hakke Rokujuu Yonshou is an awesome attack! And from the way it's described ("You're in the range of my attack" or whatever Neji said) once you fall into those Yin-Yang rings, you're screwed; it's inescapable!

Spoiler:

Anyone else would have been swiss cheese.

"But it doesn't kill!" you say? So what's better...going for one-hit kills that, unless you're faster and stronger than your opponent, have a low chance of success, or going for an inescapable, nigh-unblockable supermove that will at LEAST incapacitate your enemy, leaving them open for whatever fun/finish you'd like to subject them to?

Moon The Cat · 2003-12-06, 14:27

Unles you hve Chakra like hell...like NAruto, this thing will kill you and leave you lik a baby in a crib.

smee · 2003-12-06, 15:10

against anyone except naruto its the end of the match if u get hit by it.

JOJOS'STAR · 2003-12-06, 18:54

huum Naruto is like almost invincible.. He can regenerate from any attack..
64 hands or not nobody will die yet especialy not Naruto.

tbuxton · 2003-12-06, 22:50

reminds me of a certain x-men character sometimes...

GUTB_ · 2003-12-06, 23:55

Sigh. The 64 Hands sucks. Against an opponent strong enough to NEED an unblockable attack, the opponent has, each time, been strong enough to resist the move.

First of all, Naruto was NOT strong enough to need the 64 Hands. Neji just could have hit him with a normal soft-fist attack, and we know Naruto does not have the skills to block being hit once he was out of tricks.

Stickels · 2003-12-07, 00:09

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Originally Posted by GUTB_

Sigh. The 64 Hands sucks. Against an opponent strong enough to NEED an unblockable attack, the opponent has, each time, been strong enough to resist the move.

First of all, Naruto was NOT strong enough to need the 64 Hands. Neji just could have hit him with a normal soft-fist attack, and we know Naruto does not have the skills to block being hit once he was out of tricks.

naruto was all confidant that he could pull out the Kyuubi chakra at will when he was about to go up against Garaa in the hospital, so he could still probably pull it out against Neji at will, so even without him being all messed up from the hakke he could have done it.

with that being something in Naruto's bag of tricks, Neji wouldn't have been able to get though his bag of tricks to get him with that deathblow/incapacitating hit anyways.

so yeah, he is strong enough to have needed it, he has alot of natural skills anyways, its not like he's just crap without the Kyuubi.

eLstar · 2003-12-07, 00:19

A little too weak for it's flashiness but still awesome

I don't think it's totally awesome, or downright horrible. So I picked the one that was most in between because I know that it can't be just for showing off, that's a technique that does something...not to look pretty like TenTen's attack. And it's not meant to be an ULTIMATE technique, just a useful one to help you pull off any technique you want.

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2003-12-05, 21:21	Link #24
AnimeFangirl Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The dog gossips too much.	It remains to be seen whether Neji has truly mastered the 64 hands of Hakke or not. Being able to do it and being a master of it are two different things. The fact that two whole opponents have walked off hale and hearty after receiving this "ultimate technique" suggests that there's something Neji's missing. Either that or there's a REAL ultimate technique that he hasn't figured out yet. Come to think of it, I don't remember anyone calling Hakke an "ultimate technique..." __________________

2003-12-05, 22:15	Link #27
AnimeFangirl Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The dog gossips too much.	In a real life battle, maybe so. In fighting manga the character always has to try the weakest stuff first before going all out with the Gates, by which time Lee will have already had all his tenketsu closed, his internal organs bruised and his mule handed to him on a silver platter. __________________

2003-12-06, 18:54	Link #36
JOJOS'STAR Senior Member Artist Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Montreal Age: 43	huum Naruto is like almost invincible.. He can regenerate from any attack.. 64 hands or not nobody will die yet especialy not Naruto. __________________

2003-12-05, 20:24	Link #21
GUTB_ Senior Member Join Date: May 2003	As we saw from the flashback with Negi's dad, one solid hit with the soft-fist to a vital organ will instantly kill someone. Of course, Neji doesn't want to kill anyone in the exam but it's the fact that the 64 Hands, the ultimate technique, is so weak in comparison. If Lee's speed back in the prelims is anything to go by, Neji is just your typical strong-nin quick, while Lee is the Flash. Neji would never hit him as not even Garaa's sand is fast enough to defend him against Lee going at 100% speed. Unlike Garaa's sand which is AUTOMATIC and happens without Garaa even thinking about it, Kaiten requires that Neji react in time to activate the move. And the move only lasts for a second -- Neji has to apply it every time he is attacked, while the Armor of Sand just needs to be innitiated once per fight, and Garaa remains protected. In the majority of fights, most nins will never get past the automatic sand defense anyway. So the real cool thing about Neji is Bakyugan and the Hyuga-style taijutsu that can kill instantly in one hit. His ultimate techniques are kind of weak for what they are, while his low-level techniques are kind of restrictive but really strong when they hit.

2003-12-05, 20:27	Link #22
hobobaggins だいすきが大好きです！ Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 35	hakake<rasengan hakake<chidori hakake<netherworldly ressurection hakake<mange sharingan hakake<bukake... i mean... err. n/m hakake<shuriken kagebunshin hakake<boot to the balls no jutsu hakake<summoning no jutsu what be you on?

2003-12-05, 20:32	Link #23
wnkryo HainShodan Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: new york city	Well, the attack would be awsome agianst normal ninjas or even advance ninjas. But agianst Naruto's limit-less chakra, it has minimal effect.

2003-12-05, 22:12	Link #26
GUTB_ Senior Member Join Date: May 2003	Lee had to open his Celestial Gates because the modified Renge he tried prior to that placed too much strain on his body, causing him to loose focus for an instant giving Gaara a chance to escape. If Lee just had the luck or extra toughness to sustain the strain of doing the modified Renge, Garaa would have lost (well, no he wouldn't but that's getting into major spoilers). Lee had to use a modified Renge because Garaa coated with all that sand was much to heavy for the regular Renge to work. He wouldn't have that problem against any other nin. If Lee opens his Celestial Gates, he will obliterate Neji. He'd move so fast and hit so hard that Neji would be in peices before he had the chance to try anything. Garaa only survived because the Armor of Sand bought him just barely enough time for Lee's body to fail under the pressure. If Lee could last just few seconds longer, Garaa would have lost. Since Neji doesn't have a persistent perfect defense like Garaa does, Neji would be destroyed in one instant.

2003-12-06, 11:01	Link #32
GreyArea Meatf***er Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: UK Age: 44	monir, the Kaiten, or 'Heavenly Spin' is Nejis ultimate defence. And to GUTB_, it wasnt Neji's dad that killed that guy in one hit, it was Hinata's. And he was able to kill that guy in one hit because he is very experienced and an immensely strong guy. Neji is a kid.

2003-12-06, 14:27	Link #34
Moon The Cat Hoi! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Mexico Age: 36	Unles you hve Chakra like hell...like NAruto, this thing will kill you and leave you lik a baby in a crib.

2003-12-06, 15:10	Link #35
smee Silent A$$A$$IN Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Stuck in a box	against anyone except naruto its the end of the match if u get hit by it.

2003-12-06, 22:50	Link #37
tbuxton Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003	reminds me of a certain x-men character sometimes...

2003-12-06, 23:55	Link #38
GUTB_ Senior Member Join Date: May 2003	Sigh. The 64 Hands sucks. Against an opponent strong enough to NEED an unblockable attack, the opponent has, each time, been strong enough to resist the move. First of all, Naruto was NOT strong enough to need the 64 Hands. Neji just could have hit him with a normal soft-fist attack, and we know Naruto does not have the skills to block being hit once he was out of tricks.

2003-12-07, 00:19	Link #40
eLstar (^_^)v Join Date: May 2003	A little too weak for it's flashiness but still awesome I don't think it's totally awesome, or downright horrible. So I picked the one that was most in between because I know that it can't be just for showing off, that's a technique that does something...not to look pretty like TenTen's attack. And it's not meant to be an ULTIMATE technique, just a useful one to help you pull off any technique you want.