Soul Eater Manga Discussion

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Is anyone else disappointed here? It's like we've been going down hill since defeating Arachnia (sp?).

I admit that I felt that the Book of Eibon Arc had a lot of potential that I now feel wasn't fully exploited. I was hoping that we'd get to see a lot more of each characters' darker sides and eventually see them descending dangerously close to insanity. That hasn't really happened tho.

[Homura7]

They are stuck in a fucking book with little to almost no way to advance, the Book of Eibon isn't a big fortress like Arachnophobia, wich leaves less space for the surprise. Knowing this it's to be expected this current arc won't be as exciting as the Arachnophobia arc, but how is that going downhill? IMO things are building up nicely for a future big arc full of surprises. That said, the arc had interesting developments and is specially focusing on technician/weapon relationships, first with Maka/Soul, now with Kid/Liz/Patti.

The chapter was really good, btw. The highlight was the Thompson sisters.

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by _kurusu_

They are stuck in a fucking book with little to almost no way to advance, the Book of Eibon isn't a big fortress like Arachnophobia, wich leaves less space for the surprise. Knowing this it's to be expected this current arc won't be as exciting as the Arachnophobia arc, but how is that going downhill? IMO things are building up nicely for a future big arc full of surprises. That said, the arc had interesting developments and is specially focusing on technician/weapon relationships, first with Maka/Soul, now with Kid/Liz/Patti.

The chapter was really good, btw. The highlight was the Thompson sisters.

That's a good point. I also feel like we've seen something completely new. Right now, we're seeing both Black*Star and Kid using the power of insanity but not becoming consumed by it at the same time. I say this because throughout the fight, Black*Star was fighting using the insanity, but despite that he was still able to maintain his own sense of self and eventually overcome it. The fact he was still dressed in black meant that he was still experiencing the effects of the insanity but all the while controlling it as he wished. It looks like Kid got to that stage as well thanks to Black*Star. It'll be interesting to see if either one can make use of this power outside of the book. Maka and Soul used the power against Arachne as well after all. The Black Blood is a catalyst for insanity as well after all, from what I understand.

[Homura7]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

That's a good point. I also feel like we've seen something completely new. Right now, we're seeing both Black*Star and Kid using the power of insanity but not becoming consumed by it at the same time. I say this because throughout the fight, Black*Star was fighting using the insanity, but despite that he was still able to maintain his own sense of self and eventually overcome it. The fact he was still dressed in black meant that he was still experiencing the effects of the insanity but all the while controlling it as he wished. It looks like Kid got to that stage as well thanks to Black*Star. It'll be interesting to see if either one can make use of this power outside of the book. Maka and Soul used the power against Arachne as well after all. The Black Blood is a catalyst for insanity as well after all, from what I understand.

Talking about Maka and Soul, I'm interested in knowing how their relationship will develop from now on. Their fight against Giriko exposed all their flaws.

Maka: Sucks at physical fight, can't handle her weapon properly, always has to rely on Soul in order to survive critical situations.

Soul: Can't fight by himself as a weapon, as Death Scythe he's still a noob.

The reason why they could defeat Arachne: She was a witch who relied mainly on insanity.

The reason why they were outwilled by Giriko: He's a weapon who relies on physical fighting style, or to put it bluntly, direct attacks.

Yeah, it will be very interesting.

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by _kurusu_

Talking about Maka and Soul, I'm interested in knowin how will their relationship develop from now on. Their fight against Giriko exposed their flaws.

Maka: Sucks at physical fight, can't handle her weapon properly, always has to rely on Soul in order to survive critical situations.

Soul: Can't fight by himself as a weapon, he's level as a Death Scythe is far from the likes of Marie, Justin, etc.

Yeah, it will be very interesting.

Indeed. Maka has potential to be an excellent Meister, perhaps on equal footing as Stein, considering she's had the ability to see people's souls from the very beginning of the series. If she could take advantage of that talent, she could be capable of manipulating her souls wavelength to a great extent, making her a lot better in close combat.

As for Soul, he can't fight alone because he's a lot more accustomed to fighting with Maka. All he needs is training to make use of his own individual powers, and I'm sure he's got plenty of those now that he's a Death Scythe.

[Orangejellosphere]

Great discussion, that's what I like to see on this thread.

Spoiler for Salvage arc:

I've really liked the Salvage arc. I was expecting it to be more revealing of the characters' sins. Pride was just an Indian Palace and Excalibur's exit point, while I expected Black*Star to have some major issues there. The first chapter gave me the impression that each following chapter would be one in which each character had some unique trait about themselves to present. Looking back, it would have been too repetitive and tiresome (for a manga) for each character to go through something major in every chapter. I'm really happy with how it's turned out because each chapter had something good and unique about it.

Lust showed something about the sexual interests of all of the characters and served as a humor point for its aftereffects. Gluttony gave a glimpse of the book's ability to incite insanity in the characters. Envy was meaningful to the flaws of Maka and Soul. Wrath showed minor problems in the other group and brought Excalibur into the picture. Pride took Excalibur back out and allowed another humorous step. Sloth allowed for a high-tension and interesting battle which supplied heavy development for Maka and Soul as well as the death of a minor character and exposition on the workings of souls. Pride is proving to be the most exciting and important of the battles from the Salvage arc.

All in all, I'd say the humor, storytelling, development, art and personal touches, combat, pacing and overall goodness have been very, very well orchestrated during this arc. Ohkubo's works should be read by anyone who has enjoyed manga.

[Repelsteeltju]

Originally Posted by _kurusu_

Maka: Sucks at physical fight, can't handle her weapon properly, always has to rely on Soul in order to survive critical situations.

I disagree. Maka doesn't suck at physical fighting... How to you think she's been fighting all this time? She's the strongest known female meister for crying out loud (Patti might be better though but so far that's unconfirmed). That she was completely overpowered by Giriko means nothing. We are talking about someone who could have at least given Mifune and Mosquito a run for their money. Someone who despite knowing the density of the black bood was confident that he could decapitate Crona.

Soul: Can't fight by himself as a weapon, as Death Scythe he's still a noob.

Soul can and does fight by himself. He's just not as good at that as Giriko and or Justin. But that's only to be expected is it not? Besides wouldn't it suck if Soul was stronger by himself than with Maka? I won't deny Soul's still a novice Death Scythe though.

The reason why they could defeat Arachne: She was a witch who relied mainly on insanity.

The reason they beat Arachne was a) her madness triggered the black blood in Soul and b) leaving her physical body left her with too little physical attack power.

The reason why they were outwilled by Giriko: He's a weapon who relies on physical fighting style, or to put it bluntly, direct attacks.

Again I disagree. Giriko was just that much stronger. If it wasn't for Giriko's torture, plans of torture, fantasies for torture and Soul's brand new Death Scythe ability. Giriko's golem alone would have done the trick.

@Orangejellosphere: I couldn't agree more!

[Homura7]

Originally Posted by Repelsteeltju

I disagree. Maka doesn't suck at physical fighting... How to you think she's been fighting all this time? She's the strongest known female meister for crying out loud (Patti might be better though but so far that's unconfirmed). That she was completely overpowered by Giriko means nothing. We are talking about someone who could have at least given Mifune and Mosquito a run for their money. Someone who despite knowing the density of the black bood was confident that he could decapitate Crona.


Soul can and does fight by himself. He's just not as good at that as Giriko and or Justin. But that's only to be expected is it not? Besides wouldn't it suck if Soul was stronger by himself than with Maka? I won't deny Soul's still a novice Death Scythe though.

Of course, I was just commenting about the development both Maka and Soul will undergo after their experience in the Envy chapter of the book. Maka needs to improve the handling of her weapon, while Soul needs to train his ass and grow as Death Scythe in order to fight against the likes of Giriko, Justin, etc. equally and by himself, and without relying on Maka

[Orangejellosphere]

Warning: Long post with a simple, obvious point:


Come to think of it, it seems that there are more than a few weapons other than Soul who don't fight for themselves much or at all, contrary to the pros Justin and Giriko.

Soul Eater has transformed just his arm into the scythe's blade to prepare to fight Giriko and to futilely stab Free. At both of these incidences, he and Maka were in the midst of some circumstance which hindered their ability to work together or even get along well. Soul would much rather fight with Maka because it's better for both of them.
Soul felt particularly useless when Arachne paralyzed Maka. He wished he was more capable on his own so he could defend Maka in dire situations. The Little Demon offered his help to Soul so Soul could go with Black*Star to help Sid and Azusa on their mission to an Arachnophobia facility (Mifune was there.)
It seems that Soul intends to never use the black blood to make himself a stronger fighter as just a weapon. He and the Little Demon planned ahead of time to use Soul's piano against Giriko. This suggests Soul has a good handle on the black blood for now.

Death Scythe has been shown partially transformed. Being able to fight on your own probably isn't very important to him when he's Shinigami-sama's choice weapon and he has other powerful meisters around him like Stein. He may have been doing some sort of training just in case he's caught without a meister, but I doubt that would be important. Seems like he's mostly been sticking to business matters until his current trip with Marie, Stein, Tezca, and Enrique.

Azusa, also a death scythe hasn't shown any combat-related individual abilities. She was a pretty cool mission coordinator and super-scribe during the Witch's Research arc.

Marie could deliver a powerful punch to Justin by transforming part of her fist into part of her weapon form. That was just for personal satisfaction and the real fight started when Stein used her.

Giriko operates alone and only alone, apart from the use of his golem. Therefore, he is very skilled at fighting solo.

Justin also works only on his own with the exception of his recent collaboration with the Clown.

My point is that only the weapons that usually work alone are apt at working solo. Soul could still have a few surprises in store as a death scythe. I'm looking forward to it.

[rena-zwei]

here what happends in the newist chapter of soul eater

Spoiler for here what happend in soul eater 79:

http://nenena.livejournal.com/287559.html

http://static2.animepaper.net/upload...ns/Soul-Eater/[large][AnimePaper]scans_Soul-Eater_ala21ddin21(0.7)__THISRES__299267.jpg

[Homura7]

^Oh, please, don't bring the blog of that annoying fangirl...

[rena-zwei]

Spoiler for email me the raw:

if some on finds the raw for soul eater chapter 79 could you email it to me at

deaththekidd0kun@gmail.com

[GlassesLady]

Regarding the spoilers....

Spoiler for 797979797:

All the adults are dead.... Oshi, does that include Marie?? Because there goes my little dream of her becoming Crona's new mommy (she'd do a helluva better job than Medusa, anyway >>)

[Repelsteeltju]

Originally Posted by _kurusu_

^Oh, please, don't bring the blog of that annoying fangirl...

This person speaks wise words and you should follow this one's advice!

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by rena-zwei

here what happends in the newist chapter of soul eater

Spoiler for here what happend in soul eater 79:

http://nenena.livejournal.com/287559.html

http://static2.animepaper.net/upload...ns/Soul-Eater/[large][AnimePaper]scans_Soul-Eater_ala21ddin21(0.7)__THISRES__299267.jpg

It's too early for spoilers....Like, seriously, too early

[GlassesLady]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

It's too early for spoilers....Like, seriously, too early

Not really; the chapter came out on the 11th or 12th.
Unless you mean too soon after the scanlation release of the previous chapter, in which case.... yeah.

[lmd_84]

Not sure what to make of 79 without a translated version, except to think it very,

Spoiler for ch79:

annoyingly anticlimactic. There were bits of this arc that you could take or leave as Okubo's way of doing things, his sense of humour (or when it came to Giriko...questionable judgement) but the swift way in which the matter of Kid and the Goo has been wrapped up is very clumsy and does not deliver on any of the lovely suggestions made earlier on regarding development/action/backstory. It's a shame, because some of the shorter sequences were good, the whole just doesn't seem to have come to very much in the way either it was expected to, or arguably should have done when it came to Kid.

The rabbit hole just wasn't worth it.

[Homura7]

Originally Posted by lmd_84

Not sure what to make of 79 without a translated version, except to think it very,

Spoiler for ch79:

annoyingly anticlimactic. There were bits of this arc that you could take or leave as Okubo's way of doing things, his sense of humour (or when it came to Giriko...questionable judgement) but the swift way in which the matter of Kid and the Goo has been wrapped up is very clumsy and does not deliver on any of the lovely suggestions made earlier on regarding development/action/backstory. It's a shame, because some of the shorter sequences were good, the whole just doesn't seem to have come to very much in the way either it was expected to, or arguably should have done when it came to Kid.

The rabbit hole just wasn't worth it.

The spoilers were completely inaccurate and delivered by someone who still didn't have the raw. But now I've read it I can say what to think: Absolutely awesome, what an epic way to finish the arc.

[Aiwatan]

Originally Posted by _kurusu_

The spoilers were completely inaccurate and delivered by someone who still didn't have the raw. But now I've read it I can say what to think: Absolutely awesome, what an epic way to finish the arc.

How in the world are the inaccurate? they are spot on. And they were delivered by a JAPANESE who have READ the chapter.

If you think it's an awesome way to finish an arc you should have thought the same with the spoilers, because the raw is only a extended version of it.

[Homura7]

Originally Posted by Aiwatan

How in the world are the inaccurate? they are spot on. And they were delivered by a JAPANESE who have READ the chapter.

If you think it's an awesome way to finish an arc you should have thought the same with the spoilers, because the raw is only a extended version of it.

The spoilers that were delivered had:

Spoiler for spoiler:

ZOMG, ALL THE ADULTS ARE DEAD!! Turns only Tezca is seemingly dead and the rest are all alive.

The spoilers say absolutely nothing about Justin, Noah ambushing Troica with more than just the worms and that big monster coming out of his book along with Spartoi and ending the chapter with everyone facing Noah.

It as well lacks detail and doesn't state the Goo takes them out of the real Book of Eibon, not the manuscript, instead it just says he wants to take them out of the book Not to mention the way Kid recovers his sanity, wich is more than 4 words.

If you call this accurate...