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Tell me about it. I think it will only be a matter of time before verification that this quake is more powerful than the world's nuclear arsenal combined in terms of raw energy output.
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2011-03-14, 20:44 | Link #46 |
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No. An 8.9 earthquake would be around 380-420 megatons-worth of TNT, rough estimate. The one Tsar bomb the Soviet Union built in the 50's had an estimated yield of 50 megatons; that's an 8.3 on the Richter scale. Nuclear weapons are... considerably more potent now. The total nuclear arsenal is far more powerful than an 8.9 magnitude earthquake, and it's still growing; it's terrifying when you think about it.
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2011-03-14, 20:47 | Link #47 |
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Ok, maybe I should have said "more powerful than any single one nuclear weapon Man had ever produced".
Back on the nuclear plants, I read that they were using seawater to try to cool the thing, meaning that the reactor is toast. Back to the drawing board then.
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2011-03-14, 22:51 | Link #50 |
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Hell no there not safe at all not only they need a fresh water source but that water is warmer going out then coming it. Well the rods that take over 1000 year to become inert but a nightmare to place them some where off site.
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2011-03-14, 23:29 | Link #52 |
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Heh, now we need to give a basic thermodynamics lesson. Break out the Carnot cycle diagrams.
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In less than 1 minute search, take a look to this list :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...uakes_in_Japan We can beter say once every decade. Quote:
If to safety we refer the obvious solution would have been to locate all the nuclear power plants on the western side and distribute energy to the entire island through high voltage power transmission lines (after all, electrical power is pretty easy to transport). Spoiler for map:
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2011-03-15, 04:30 | Link #55 |
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Let me repeat; powerplants, nuclear or not, are never popular politically. So powerplants are only ever built in locations where they are allowed to be built, not where the engineers would LIKE to build. This isn't SimCity, where you can just jam a powerplant where-ever you feel like.
There is 101 reasons why they are mostly not on the west coast; but the most obvious one is that they couldn't find any local government there willing to let them build there. If you think like an engineer, you would never get anything done politically. (It's like trying to build a new railway by simply drawing a straight line on the map across a town, then become perplexed when the people you are trying to displace forced your railroad construction into limbo.)
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Most of the nuclear power plants are already built in the wester coast, as I said, please take the time to really take a look to my first post, the map is there. And I was just pointing that in safety terms all of them should be there. BTW, I'm not an engineer so I'm not thinking as an engineer, just using something called common sense. |
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Land in Japan in general is at a premium. So let me repeat; you say you want to move all the Powerplants to the West Coast, so what would you do when you realise you don't have enough Plants even after you built them on all available land on that side?
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If you examine carefully, the reporting prior to 1946 is using the Richter magnitude scale while Nankaido Earthquake occurring in Dec.1946 onwards uses the moment magnitude scale. The reason for this is because the Richter scale is only able to evaluate at a point while the moment scale focuses the amount of energy on a two dimensional plain to evaluate the total amount of energy. So even if you have an equivalent 7.0, since it may differ at point to point you can't really compare this on the same scale. This is because earthquake does not originate at a point but a fault line and the amount of energy release is based on how much of the fault line was involved and how much did it move.(The word epicenter is misleading since there is actually no center it is a plain) Now the ones relevant in comparison through location within the list you linked are the Jogan Sanriku Jishin in 869, Meji Sanriku jishin in 1896 and Showa Sanriku in 1933. The difference between the latter two and this one is the extended length of the fault that caused the earthquakes. We know that there are roughly three~four major faults in the area and usually it is one of these faults that causes an earthquake in the past. This time all three of them moved resulting to this major earthquake. (That is why this is said to be once in a thousand year event.) We have scientific recordings of the latter two and know how high the tsunami were in the Fukushima area approx.400Km away and used those figures as reference when designing the plant. I been living in Tokyo for quite sometime and while I remember the many major earthquakes that hit Japan including the Miyagi-ken Oki Jishin of 2005, I simplely cannot recall any earthquake that shook Tokyo as violently as this one. Quote:
Here is map of atomic plants located within Japan. If you map out the list of major earthquakes you'll find that the most populated points like the shoreline of Kyoto is the least active. |
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