2012-09-06, 17:21 | Link #161 | |
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continuing the persona was for the benefit of the war as mentioned. the name madara is powerful enough to force the shinobi world to bear arms. but also, continuing the persona was for our (the readers) benefit as well. i agree, it makes sense to say to konan since you are gonna die anyway, i am obito yadda yadda yadda. but then we would know that and it was obviously too soon for the reveal. another though is how obito no longer cares about who he once was(remember how emotionless he is against minato). this is could the real reason he continues to perpetrate. he simply no longer cares for this world and awaits the results of the moon's eye plan to rid he and the other characters of "this reality". i kinda like this notion because it kinda also explains why the masked guy says "do you know how long i have waited for this" during that kushina ordeal and why...he was playing the role of someone older...(or he has been brainwashed into doing so) that said, the real madara likely gave nagato his eyes (somehow). tho it is possible that he originally intended to give them to obito. I'm speculating as always...
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2012-09-06, 18:24 | Link #162 |
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I think Obito, was saved by Madara , and then at some point he took him to The Naka Shrine and made him read the tablet and it was like full metal alchemist (gate of knowledge) and something he saw there made him change his way of thinking. XD. Perhaps he saw the history repeating and repeating the shit about the hatred circle.
And he said fuck this I need to stop this shit. That will explain all the knowledge he has about ninja world. |
2012-09-06, 22:02 | Link #166 |
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I have a complaint! If knowing the hand seals to Edo Tensei gives the zombie full control then how come when Orochi revived the second hokage, he didn't break control? Tobirama was the one who developed the technique. I assume he know how to cancel it. Had he broke free, he could have taught the 1st and they would have been the most powerful entities in the story that can't die.
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2012-09-06, 23:54 | Link #170 |
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A simple solution to this mess...
Infinite Tsukuyomi, what says there isn't a version you can cast on a single person? Because Rin died emo Obito entered the dreamworld willingly and became "one will" with Madara. His own personality is asleep inside a dream and his current self is only part of Madara's will. I don't like this solution but I'm expecting something simple and kinda boring like that. |
2012-09-07, 01:03 | Link #171 | ||
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its either crappy writing or there is a piece of madara in tobi which is what i have believed for a long time. it would make many of tobi's possible lies actually hold true |
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2012-09-07, 01:08 | Link #172 | |
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2012-09-07, 10:59 | Link #175 |
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It's funny how people are jumping on Kishi for Rin being the reason Obito flipped his s*** when clearly there are other factors involved. Is it just possible that Madara might have played a role in Obito becoming Tobi? I think so.
The alternative is that Obito, after learning of Rin's death, came up with the exact same Moon's Eye Plan, independently of Madara. What a coincidence. Let me reenact how it all went down: Obito: Rin died. That makes me angry Madara: I will bring peace to the world by taking it over Obito and Madara (in unison): I know what I'll do! Moon's Eye Plan! Obito and Madara (in unison): Wait. That's my plan Obito and Madara (in unison): Stop saying what I'm saying Obito and Madara (in unison): Jinx! Obito and Madara (in unison): Double Jinx! Obito and Madara (in unison): Back Jinx! Obito: Jinx no backsies! Madara: F***! Obito: Yes. I get to be Madara. Madara: I guess I'll die now. (or something to that effect) I admit, that does sound like some pretty weak storytelling ... if you don't use your brain. Clearly Madara is the one responsible for Obito's transformation into Tobi. Rin's death may have been the catalyst, but the person who engineered Tobi's creation is Madara. Be patient. We will get the explanation. Why else do you think Madara magically appeared right when Tobi's mask came off?
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2012-09-07, 12:01 | Link #176 | |
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What I really want to know is what significance Obito has to Madara. Is Obito really just some goofy Uchiha kid Madara found dying under a rock or does he have a special place in the manga? Another thing to consider. Madara's body is said to be even better than it was in his prime. As an Edo Tensei zombie he has unlimited energy and physical attacks can't destroy him. Plus he has freed himself from the bonds of the ninja who summoned him. Is Obito still going to try to revive him to his original flesh and blood self? He went through the trouble of getting the Rinnegan back. Madara also has the Rinnegan. I wonder if Madara will be revived and somehow be even more powerful than he is now.
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2012-09-07, 13:12 | Link #178 | ||
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'you seem to be having fun... madara' ~madara no, obito is clearly important to be recognized that way and to have madara show up just in time. Quote:
lol! my sarcasm detector is in the red! just the fact that madara knows his name and acknowledges him is fact enough that they knew each other and madara (being the overwhelming senior in the duo) was the guiding force behind tobi and their plans. |
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2012-09-07, 13:16 | Link #179 | |
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and also nice job on assuming that everyone who posted about this latest chapter did so on this forum. I love sarcastic posts Always a treat. What makes you believe that there were two men posing as Tobi?
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2012-09-07, 13:31 | Link #180 |
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It would be a nice twist if actually Obito killed Madara much like Sasuke almost-killed Oro. Obito turned on his master then took his identity and had no intention of reviving him.
This could go into the point that Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan and expected to be revived by him if anything happens. But Obito kills Madara and assumes the role and trust of Nagato anyway. Madara probably wanted to destroy the world while Obito wants to destroy reality....and then there raises an interesting question - what makes Madara's goal different? |
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