2012-09-20, 12:18 | Link #61 | |
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What they don't have is the "J-C-I" religious baggage about sex. The cultural mores spring from Shinto, Buddhism, and just basic pragmatism.
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2012-09-20, 15:15 | Link #62 | ||||
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If there is indeed a high risk in compensated dating of course. If the risk isn't as high as some would like it (i.e. if the vast majority of compensated dates do not result in sex), education would work as well as telling kids not to smoke pot. Either you tell the not-so-scary truth (which isn't effective), or you bs them (which is even less effective). |
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2012-09-20, 15:49 | Link #63 | ||
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And as we talk about the key concerning points that shape the very foundations of mankind, I feel like our government leaders are useless shits.
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2012-09-20, 17:08 | Link #64 | |
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2012-09-20, 17:24 | Link #65 | |
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2012-09-20, 17:41 | Link #66 | |
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When I say " Naturally the norm of society won't ", I am under a very low impression on society, I honestly can't say I have hope for society. Or do you have a different opinion? When constantly exposed to stupidity and very low standards of morality every single waking day, it really gives me a bias standard. Whether you think it is wrongly placed is up to you. Here, I have an honest question for you. When a normal human is desensitized to everything from violence,sex,human standards, and not limited to value in life, what is left? From my impression that " the norm will learn towards a tendency of self indulgement ", I somehow think that if everyone was like that, crime of all aspects may be mentally stimulated. I also get the impression that a good many people, simply withhold themselves from any form of crime, regardless of significance ( like theft to rape ), based on a weighing of Law = Punishment to Sin = Gain. Well, when I hear people brag about how they hack other peoples accounts for money, break into peoples cars, trick people into scams, and make money off shady deals, I can really say, I feel that humanity would fall even more. Now, you tell me. Am I incorrect? I'm sure there are faults so some points of what I say because of bias attrition, however, if that's the case, I'd prefer you explain straightforwardly so I may learn Edit: Also I further am biased in the fact that when I hear the typical moans of a girl in love sickness, the convictions of people, and the opinions that people hold and what constitutes that conviction, I see nothing but profound arrogance,bigotry, and prejudice. I see intellectuals and/or more pure people as a minority, As I said, if that is TRULY wrong, then please tell me. I am under a very unstable mental state that may very well learn towards unrelenting debauchery or painful, yet morally rewarding advocate of justice. Edit2: Ive also noticed you were the person who posted the news about chik fil a's new regulations on the Homo marriage discussions. Another example of my impression of humanity. Evaluate that also please.
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2012-09-20, 19:03 | Link #67 | |||
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Money wise, isn't Japan suppose to be a first world nation ? Such suitation is understandable in places such as Myanmar, Cambodia and Vietnam. It's evident that those girls are driven by greed and it is disturbing that they will sell their body to the highest bidder for it.
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2012-09-20, 19:13 | Link #68 | |
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The rest of your post is also again pretty... let's call it "weak". There have been enough controversies about stuff like TLR and they already regiment it as far as they can. Just because you don't see stuff like this in the US doesn't mean that japanese society is "very open in terms of sexuality". Honestly, I still have to laugh when I read that statement, I would've never imagined someone to say something like this. If japan is "very open" then I wonder what you would call the US, or even Germany, where you can watch boobies and listen to people talk about fucking starting from 9am on the most popular broadcasting stations.
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2012-09-20, 19:16 | Link #69 | |||
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Also, on the topic of selling their bodies. Most compensated dates have no sexual interaction. It's more like selling your time than body. Apparently the most common form of enjo kousai is groups of girls going with groups of older men to karaoke bars to sing karaoke while be paid. Quote:
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2012-09-20, 19:34 | Link #71 | ||
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That being said, "moral education" is happening in most decent countries on its own, through parents and school. That's why I was asking how you would imagine this to turn out, cram school for morals? Extra classes in regular school? Quote:
Again, it's just an industry. I can answer all of your questions with yes, did you never see adult video stores? Porn shops? Porn ads, online for example? Do you think the US is "ashamed" of this?
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Of course, you might like to note my original statement prior precedes with the words "My Take" which states that this is not the universal truth. |
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2012-09-20, 20:17 | Link #74 | |||
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So, from the information I have, you are incorrect. What you say does not match up with reality, at least in regard to porn and sex crimes. I don't see a flaw in your reasoning, but it just doesn't work that way in reality for whatever reason. What I am asking is that you either provide evidence that supports your reasoning (something that shows that porn results in the increase in sex crimes, or any negative behavior really), tell me why my evidence is bad so I can go look for better evidence, or accept that your assertion is most likely incorrect. @MakubeX2 Quote:
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EDIT: I saw that DanielE deleted a few posts, minor adjustment to make this post fit again. EDIT2: Quick replies to makube |
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2012-09-20, 20:33 | Link #75 | |
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But I'll like to mention that a court case in Japan that revealed a middle schooler who slept with her cilent in order to continue milking money from him (they had quite a few encounters since she was an elementary schooler ) She was no virgin prior; the case only lands in court because the cilent keeps pestering her after due to the "investment" he had putted in. AFAIK, the court punish the man and did not address the girl. |
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2012-09-20, 22:30 | Link #76 | ||
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The spreadsheet you pulled from the UNODC, on the other hand, is very much more useful and more in line with what I hoped to see: hard numbers, rather than someone trying to interpret those numbers for me without pointing me to the source of the numbers he referred to. Off the top of my head, I find the Hawaii study weak because it relies a bit too much on conjecture about what is really going on in Japan. In short, there is little to nothing in the report to suggest a causal link between the increase in the availability of sexually explicit material and the decrease in sexual crime. At best, all we can conclude is that there is a strong correlation, and correlation is by no means the same as cause. This is a serious concern, because we need to consider the other factors that may have contributed to the apparent decrease in sexual crime. To the author's credit, he does mention the increased focus on sex education in Japan over the same period covered in the study. There was also a corresponding increase in awareness among aid groups that were apparently working more actively to provide legal advice to women who have been raped. That last point may well be an issue because of socio-cultural differences. For example, to what extent are women in Japan more likely than women in other countries to keep quiet if they are victims of sexual crimes? Could the higher incidence of rapes and sexual violence against children in some developed Western countries (as indicated by the UNODC data) be a result of better record-keeping procedures? That is, could there be under-reporting of such crimes in Japan? Based purely on the Hawaii study, we don't know. The author of the Hawaii report also conceded that it's difficult to measure the volume of sexually explicit material (SEM). In effect, we don't actually know for sure how much more SEM was produced in Japan over the period that was studied. The report fudges this by claiming that mere anecdotal impression suggests that there has been an increase. That, to me, raises the risk of selection bias, which could jeopardise the integrity of the study. More immediately, it means that you have no basis for claiming definitively that more porn equals less sexual violence against women or children. Now, as many people have pointed out, Japan is not unique in terms of the availability of SEM. If it is indeed the case that pornography is the key driver in the reduction of sexual violence, I would expect to see fairly similar incidence rates of such crimes in places like Japan and, for example, Britain, Germany and France, where SEM is also freely available (we can argue about the scope and extent of such SEM separately). But that is not the case. Japan's incidence rates are significantly lower than those of Britain, Germany and France. So, we come back to square one. I see little evidence to confirm, as you suggest, that more porn equal less sexual crime. Yes, the numbers have declined in recent years compared to, say, those in the 1960s (the UNODC report goes back to only 2003). But after that, they have stayed relatively level, and in certain periods, have even spiked up. It could be a statistical anomaly. Or, it could also suggest that other factors — such as economic conditions, variances in the quality and amount of sex education, etc — may be coming into play. At best, we can claim only a co-relation between the availability of porn and sexual crime. We will very likely need to consider other factors that, for all we know, may actually be the bigger contributors to the observed decline in numbers of such crimes. More importantly, we need a comparative study of these other factors to figure out what exactly makes Japan so different from other developed nations that also have SEM freely available. |
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2012-09-20, 22:48 | Link #77 | |
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2012-09-20, 22:59 | Link #78 | |
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2012-09-21, 00:21 | Link #79 | |
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In 2004, reported cases of child sexual abuse to the child saftey dept was 1048. Police record of arrest was 39 cases. UK: More than 23,000 incidents were recorded by the UK police between 2009 and 2010. USA: The US Department of Health and Human Services reported 83,600 substantiated reports of sexually abused children in 2005. Even considering the potential "unreported" cases, the difference is incomparably worse. The truth is, there's probably a significant amount of unreported cases in Japan, but same can be said of UK and US, and even with that considered, it's still a massive gap. I neglected "social study" numbers because they vary massively between reports, and absolutely nothing concrete in their numbers. Not to mention outdated. Besides, I seriously doubt "25% of all female children in USA have been sexually abused" to be anywhere near accurate. Quote:
When I was growing up in Japan, "Doutoku" (道徳) was one of the required classes in schools. It literally means "Morality". Yes, we actually had to take moral education classes in schools. Looking at the current curriculums, it seems it's still part of education in Japan today. So I don't know what you're talking about? Your vision of Japan seems to be vastly different from my real Japan.
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