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Perfect 10 | 44 | 51.16% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 22 | 25.58% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 12.79% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 6.98% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.16% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.16% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.16% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-02-16, 12:31 | Link #121 | |
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2013-02-16, 13:55 | Link #123 | |
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2013-02-16, 14:13 | Link #124 |
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I don't think this episode proved the Sybil System is bad. If we look at it from the stand point of justice, it might in fact be perfect. A collective consciousness of human beings that has expanded thought processes and abilities to assess information than greater than any human being can get closest to perfection as possible. It also continuously expands and evolves into a stronger system.
Makishima is an agent of chaos, he is not a champion of justice, but of free will itself.
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2013-02-16, 17:54 | Link #125 | |
Sensei, aishite imasu
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Remember. Asymptomatic Crime coefficient can only be diagnosed if somebody commits crimes. And I VERY much doubt these brains are getting picked up for jay walking.
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2013-02-16, 20:43 | Link #126 |
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I have a question that is ultimately the system "Sibyl" is ... because after seeing his "true" form with all those brains ... I do not know what to think ... I tell myself that every inspector and executor will have to work and use this system ...
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2013-02-16, 20:46 | Link #127 | |
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Don't get me wrong - The idea of society being ran by 200+ brains in jars is a bit unsettling in and of itself. But if these were the brains of some of society's most widely admired and successful people, at least I could see some argument in favor of the Sibyl system. But these are the brains of sociopathic serial killers. So, yeah, no thanks.
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2013-02-16, 20:50 | Link #128 |
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No where in the episode does it state that. They just said they try to get unique individuals into the system who don't meet mankind's conventional standards. Essentially it's not worth it to put just anyone extra in the system unless they are capable of expanding the system's thinking.
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2013-02-16, 22:06 | Link #130 | |
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Considering that the only way to be sure if someone has asymptomatic crime coefficient is observing them committing a crime and not having their crime coefficient go up...anyone who got incorporated into the Sybil system had to have been flagged as a potential recruit because of a violent crime that got attention drawn towards them. An asymptomatic person who doesn't commit crimes is impossible to detect as the rules have been established. And lets be honest. The traits that the director listed as being useful for the Sybil system (genius+lack of empathy+ superiority complex + desire to observe people) sound like the ingredients to a serial killer. The only logical conclusion we can draw is that the vast majority of the Sybil brains are latent criminals. EXTREME latent criminals. It kinda makes me wonder about Choe's confidence in this bringing down the system. As Triple R said. Finding out that the "unbiased" system watching over everyone would be shocker enough. But Choe seemed to have such confidence that what he was recording would break the system. Almost as if he realized that these were probably latent criminal brains. When you consider the disrespect this society has for people with bad hues, much less high crime coefficient...there really WOULD be rioting if people discovered the system was being operated by latent criminals like this.
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2013-02-16, 23:10 | Link #132 | |
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Or I have a feeling that Makishima and Ko form some kind of uneasy alliance to take out the SS.
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2013-02-17, 01:03 | Link #133 | ||
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2013-02-17, 02:57 | Link #134 | ||
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An interesting touch here is that Urobuchi completely robs these "aristocrats" metaphorically of their physical desires by taking away their very bodies. As such, the only desires left to them are those of an intellectual nature, to gradually attain perfection. And personally, the desire for omniscience is the purest form of desire that there is. I cannot see them messing with the system if it stands to endanger anything that the system already stands for, so I don't agree. Their loyalty to the principles of the system is absolute for the sole reason that their collective ego is directly contingent to the efficiency of the Sybil system in carrying out its role. EDIT: To label Makishima as a "serial killer" doesn't do him much justice. He's essentially an embodiment of Nietzche's Ubermensch, an individual who stands at the pinnacle of human values, capable of seeing the entire picture of everything. He's one of those few people who can see the fragile strings that keep society going indefinitely. If we imagine the collective to be composed of similar-minded individuals, then I don't see much wrong with it, from a pragmatic perspective.
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2013-02-17, 04:12 | Link #135 | |
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Why do you think desires came from the body? Do you think lust, hate, greed, and sadism cam from the pancreas? The liver? The kidneys? Do you think hormones are the reason why crimes are committed? That If you take away the minor organs, the brain would become some kind of emotional logic unit? I have no idea where you based that idea from. The brain is where criminal thoughts happen. Where higher orders to deceive happens. This has nothing to do with basic needs to eat or sleep. Rich people who have everything they ever need, still commit crimes of every sort from theft to violent crimes. Please, do explain why someone who gets the kicks seeing someone bleed out would suddenly become benign when becoming a brain in a box.
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2013-02-17, 04:26 | Link #136 | ||
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In a sense, I see this move as a means of sublimating those "unacceptable" desires into other forms, which directly leads to that superiority complex fed by the effectiveness of Sybil as a system. But nevertheless, Sybil would not be as efficient and complete a system if it wasn't for these things. The desire to kill, the desire to eat, and all similar desires have been sublimated into a desire to perfect the System's absolute control over human autonomy. But really. I don't get the dominant perception towards Sybil as an aggregation of the minds of serial killers. People seem to put so much stress on Makishima's status as a "serial killer" when that very label is simply an afterthought, a side product, of his vision. He can see society for what it is, and he's decisive enough to sacrifice human lives just to sustain the notion of "order". Quote:
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If I give you a serial killer and a hacksaw, which part of the killer would you remove in order to stop him from wanting to kill people? A brain in a box, isolated, is someone who is imprisoned. A brain in a box that is connected to the function of governance and is told to make decisions for the country is NOT imprisoned. Quote:
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2013-02-17, 05:04 | Link #138 | ||
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Once again, context. Societies can take many different forms as history often tells us. If you think that deception in itself is a bad thing, then I don't know what to tell you. This argument is one that spans decades or even centuries, and in the end, these things tend to all boil down to personal preference.
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2013-02-17, 05:17 | Link #139 | |
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2013-02-17, 05:18 | Link #140 | |
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There might well be nice people who are perfect for being Sibyl, but if they haven't committed any crimes then they would never be found. Let me try to explain my position; you agree that a criminal brain in a box would lack outlets for their criminal behaviour, correct? But being connected to Sibyl IS an outlet. The very ability to decide government policy and decisions IS the very outlet that allows criminal desires to express themselves. How do you justify your belief that a known criminal wouldn't commit crimes through the only thing he or she has power over?
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