2013-04-03, 13:45 | Link #23 | |
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Also just saying this once more, save the Uzumaki plot dump until Naruto is present. Do you really want to see the Uzumaki flashbacks NOW, when Sasuke is there and not Naruto? You know, the main character who's an Uzumaki? Maybe I'm the crazy one.
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2013-04-03, 13:57 | Link #24 |
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Enough flashbacks! This one was pretty good since it added a lot more to Madara and the First Hokage but it would be better if they focused on the series' climax. I really have no idea what Kishimoto can come up with an Uzumaki flashback since Kushina and Minato never found that important. I really hope Sasuke finally makes up his mind next chapter so that we can go back to Naruto or at least leave the Hokages.
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2013-04-03, 14:05 | Link #25 |
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well for one, we do need exposition on the uzumakis like some of us have been wanting. also, he was hokage during the kyuubi attack and could provide insight on the uchiha's during that time. him and hiruzen can talk about orochimaru as well.
but i agree minato can wait until naruto and obito are present. one way or another, sasuke also needs to find out that minato is naruto's father, and to a lesser extent that obito is his student (but that discussion/confrontation will be more pertinent for obito, kakashi and naruto). maybe something will happen to break this discussion up and force everyone to fight. just like how tobirama sensed madara's chakra, perhaps madara can sense hashirama is back and will come to them |
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That could be relevant, but that could also simply be explained by Orochimaru himself... Quote:
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I don't like this at all. What's the point of having any newer (living) generation characters if only the older (deader) generation can defeat them? If zombie Madara is just left to the other zombies, then everything everyone has done against him will be somewhat pointless (plus Naruto will never have the chance to surpass the previous Kages). Last edited by james0246; 2013-04-03 at 14:38. |
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2013-04-03, 14:30 | Link #27 | |
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Wow, Hashirama was damn strong, his summon did not only neutralize the kyuubi but it actually made the kyuubi look like a little animal. A hand so large that it could just grab the kyuubi as if it was some little kitten. Hashirama's summon is around the size of the 10-tails. I expected only the wood dragon sucking out the kyuubi's chakra, but the susano armor was really a nice idea from Kishimoto, and it also meant tha Hashirama had to use an even larger jutsu to beat it. No wonder that Madara gets bored when fighting the 5 kages, their jutsu was nowhere near that of the 1st hokage. Now it must really be explained who or what could kill Hashirama. Of course it could even be that he got sick as Kimimaro, that would be boring but at least it wouldn't be something stupid like someone being able to beat him in battle.
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Also i think that Hashirama and Madara will go back to the world of the dead together, they will maybe even make peace this time. Edo Tensei usually give a "happy end" to those summoned. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2013-04-03 at 14:41. |
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2013-04-03, 15:03 | Link #29 | ||||
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his wife was uzumaki. and he used the reaper death seal. to think he didn't know a lot about the clan seems unreasonable
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2013-04-03, 15:50 | Link #30 | |||||
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Where was anyone during the attack? I don't see this clamoring for info on the Nara, Hyuuga, or anyone else. Their positioning matters very little to the overall story and not knowing will not create some plot hole. Quote:
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True, but since Naruto has already been compared to Hashirama (and Madara...and Obito...and the Sage...and Minato...and etc), anything he says could just as easily remind Madara of Hashirama, which will in turn spark that inner peace. I'm not discounting the affect Hashirama would have on Madara, I just don't think it is necessary for a completion to the story (even if Kishimoto wants Madara to have a happy ending...after killing 10,000s). |
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2013-04-03, 16:19 | Link #31 |
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We're going to need some more flashbacks though. We need to find out how Madara survived and what he took from Hashirama. There's also the matter of what happened to the Uzumaki and the Senju, as well as what the Uchiha Clan was doing during the 9-tails attack. Aside from the details of how Hashirama defeated Madara, we didn't find out all that much from this last flashback that we didn't already know.
I don't have any particularly strong theories on how Madara survived. The fact that both of his eyes survived to the present suggests that he didn't use Izanagi. Zetsu would have been able to copy Madara's appearance exactly and substitute a dead body (like he did with Kisame), but it's not clear if Zetsu even existed at this point. (Not the black/white Zetsu obviously, but just a regular white one)
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2013-04-03, 18:19 | Link #35 |
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After this flashback anything to do with Hashirama seems pointless. Madara had to witness the death of a loved one to attain his MS, lose his eyesight, then take his own brother's eyes to acquire his EMS, all the time driven crazy by his own doujutsu, and then even used the kyuubi, just to be on a level with the power that Hashirama was simply born with without any drawbacks. To see Madara defeating Hashirama now, after this ridiculously convoluted Aizen-esque plan, and needing to use Hashirama's own power no less, is just "meh". And it's not even certain that he'll win.
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2013-04-03, 18:54 | Link #36 | |
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Because we see the 1st fall to one knee later, it could be mean hes exhausted which would make sense, or that could be the time madara took a part of him and he dropped from that. Would explain how he survived instead of someone bringing him back to life.
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2013-04-03, 20:17 | Link #37 |
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I bet there was some deep symbolism in the final fight involving the rocks. Too bad I didn't pay attention. Still, now it's obvious. The First Hokage and Madara are the mirror image of Naruto and Sasuke although the former pair were pressured since they led groups.
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2013-04-03, 20:49 | Link #38 | |
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i do believe however that madara stated he placed the cells directly into his wound. so it just as likely he removed the blood from his scythe from when they did that jump across the water/field thing ninjas tend to do when dueling to the death. plus i tend to think kishi pays attention to detail when it counts lol...and that sword seemed to midline to have impaled madaras heart...
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I don't mind many of the zombie fights. Gaara's father, Sai's brother, Muu and the third Raikage. Most/All of them are a little fillerish and definitely pandering, but they are still somewhat dramatic and there are risks and costs in their battle. Their are no risks and no costs when two zombies fight, though. Bad pacing and focus on uninteresting characters is why the war is boring to me. Sadly, this is probably true. |
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