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Urobutchi wrote his ending in the original story. What was said there was his vision of Homura and Madoka and their relationship. He didn't want to write anything after that because that ending was his baby ( I refer you to the interview in the last volume of Fate/Zer ). But Shaft kept bugging him about writing a sequel, so he agreed, and wanted to write a story which would have ended with Homura being taken to 'heaven' by Madoka, in confirmation of Madoka's promise in ep 12 that they'll meet again. Happy ending for everyone. But Shinbou suggested and eventually persuaded Gen into turning Homura into a villain. So yeah, people who 'want to pretend that Rebellion was originally going to be something else' aren't really unjustified in their views. |
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2014-01-02, 20:07 | Link #1522 | |
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Aniplex/Houbunsha/Hakuhodo DY Media Partners Inc./Nitroplus/Movic/MBS/Shaft The more to the left (and on top) you are, the more money you contributed to production and the more you earn in revenue streams. Aniplex will earn the majority of disc profits (video/music) while getting small cuts of other streams like books (Houbunsha) and merch (Movic) as part of the original publisher. Shaft will get a small cut from what everyone else gives them, but not as much as Aniplex will get from their streams and everyone else. Shaft does earn some extra due to being 1/4th of Magical Quartet, but we don't know if Shinbo/Ume/Urobuchi/Shaft split the "original creator" money equally. Basically everything goes back to Aniplex in a much greater fashion than Shaft.
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2014-01-02, 20:08 | Link #1523 | |
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Rebellion was never going to be anything else than what it is. Rebellion was either going to exist in its current form, or, as many people seem to prefer, not have existed at all. All I'm trying to point out is that there was never an initial script in which Homura was taken away by Madoka at the end; that was the idea Urobuchi had going into the planning sessions, yes, but not what the result of them was. Acting like Urobuchi's original concept for Rebellion's ending was changed at the last minute due to corporate greed is being disingenuous, and that's all I'm trying to say. |
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2014-01-02, 21:49 | Link #1524 |
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Incidentally, here's a much more complete source for the movie pamphlet than the brief excerpts/outline provided by that pastebin:
http://feral-phoenix.livejournal.com/685568.html It paints a much more level-headed picture about Urobochi's involvement/investment in the new movie and storyline. |
2014-01-02, 22:11 | Link #1525 | ||
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So yeah, Urobuchi had a different idea for the ending, but that never made it into the screenplay. Who knows what ideas he had for the TV show that never made it into the script. Countless things change over the development of any anime, it's part of the collaborative process. I've heard that Shinbou was actually the one who came up with the initial idea for the Madoka TV show, not Urobuchi.
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2014-01-03, 07:58 | Link #1527 | |
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So do you or Kaisos think that this makes it less likely that we get more Madoka Magica? Could Madoka Magica become another Haruhi, with Aniplex being comparable to Kadokawa?
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2014-01-03, 08:09 | Link #1528 |
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They're different animals. Haruhi is licensed, Madoka is not. Even if their slice of the pie isn't as large, they can still do anything they want with it. Haruhi was, for all intents and purposes, dropped due to not being "in house". You're not likely to get more "in house" than Madoka, since no company wants to take on such a huge risk by themselves.
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2014-01-03, 09:53 | Link #1529 | |
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The comparison isn't exactly the same as Kadokawa uses anime to promote novels, which there hasn't been a lot lately for Haruhi. Considering that Haruhi has the most per/volume printed of any LN, it's difficult to argue that making more anime would move novels. Different companies, different ways they use anime.
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2014-01-03, 13:57 | Link #1530 |
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So yeah, the voice actresses basically agree Homura's feelings for Madoka are far from being simple friendship,
http://feral-phoenix.livejournal.com/685936.html#%7C |
2014-01-03, 15:06 | Link #1531 | |
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What's more unclear is whether Madoka reciprocates those feeling. It was only when she became Madokami that she was able to understand everything that Homura had done for her and she called her "my very best friend". Madoka is so selfless she cares for everyone, all magical girls throughout time, not Homura alone. It's pretty tragic that the only way Madoka can fully understand Homura's love means she has to give up any chance of a mortal life, any chance of being with Homura.
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Also, their argument is basically that Homura doesn't fit the typical idea of friendship in the modern age....which is meaningless since she doesn't exactly fit the modern idea of love ever, and more or less says as such in her Satan Modo Ascension. Quote:
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2014-01-03, 16:41 | Link #1533 | |
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For me, Homura's love ranges between selfless agape at its best and selfish eros at its worst. Her countless sacrifices in her journey to protect Madoka and expecting nothing in return is very noble of her. However, her actions in Rebellion, while done out of good intentions and based on Madoka's own admission that she wouldn't be happy being apart from everyone, still override Madoka's free will. She forces happiness onto Madoka despite Madoka's selfless desires. Now Homura is redeemed somewhat in that while she could have completely overwritten Madoka's free will, she didn't. She still doesn't expect Madoka to reciprocate her feelings and even accepts the likelihood that they will become enemies one day. She puts Madoka's happiness and livelihood above her own feelings and the stability of her new world. There's a lot to suggest that Homura is feeling extremely guilty about what she's done to Madoka (her familiars throwing tomatoes at her, the single chair on the hill, all the suicide imagery). So I think Homura's current love for Madoka is an unhealthy love, but still love. It's not irredeemable.
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2014-01-03, 21:03 | Link #1534 | |
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It looks as though we've seen the last of Time-hopping Homura, or is time manipulation part of her brand new devil powers so she doesn't need to worry about a shield and stuff? It seems somehow that Akuma Homura's powers should be different from Ultimate Madoka's powers because they seem to be different kinds of beings. Heck, Ultimate Madoka wasn't even a being so much as she was supposedly an essaece of the universe that regulates the existence of magical girls. But then she was able to manifest a partially erased-memory version of herself into Homura's mind? Did she always have that ability, and if so, why didn't she use it before to at least cheer Homura up? Or did the barrier created by the Incubators so negate Ultimate Madoka's powers that that is why she was able to send herself into Homura's/Homulilly's barrier? If Madoka rewakens, will she be able to maintain her corporeal form? Um, Homura's new universe devoid of witches seems to render Ultimate Madoka's role as witch-negating universal force redundant, which may mean her existence in that form...impossible? Or will her reassertion reimpose that older order? ...Well, that escalated quickly. Last edited by MYWA; 2014-01-03 at 21:21. |
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2014-01-03, 22:38 | Link #1535 | ||
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2014-01-03, 22:41 | Link #1536 | ||
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2014-01-05, 16:58 | Link #1537 | |
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http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Madoka_Magica_Movie I think they will make a sequel, but I wouldn't expect it to be a direct continuation of Rebellion. |
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2014-01-05, 19:08 | Link #1538 | |
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2014-01-05, 20:54 | Link #1539 |
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I expect it to be a continuation of Rebellion Story. It probably won't take place, say, 2 days after the end of movie 3. There maybe a minor timeskip of a year or a few months to allow for a degree of plot/character progression. The characters need to settle down in their new mental states and relationships with each other.
I see the possibility of a number of side stories or alternative universes, e.g. what happened before Homura became a witch, Oriko, Different Story, what happened in some of the timeloops that Homura went through, etc. But these are probably more suitable as OVAs, radio dramas or TV specials. I don't see movie 4 or TV season 2 to go these routes, because they are far less interesting than what happens in Homura's new world. Personally, I'd like to see some sort of slice of life comedy in Homura's new world. That still counts as a continuation though. |
2014-01-07, 11:40 | Link #1540 |
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-new...en-in-2-months
Shaft/Aniplex is racking it in. (But they still can't do a 2 cour season.) :'( |
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