(L) Nisekoi (Komi Naoshi - Double Arts)

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by omimon

I actually think that if she found out about the relationship she'll also find out about Chitoge's feelings at the same time. At the point her attitude towards them will remain relatively the same since she's probably more loyal to Chitoge then Claude.

I still think it would be more fitting when we get to the "endgame". Would make for a nice storyline to have her resolve an inner conflict between her own feelings and Claude's orders and then help stemming the tide against the outburst that's going to come from Claude and the rest of the Beehives.

[mangamuscle]

Has anyone here thought for a second that there wont be a winner girl at the end of the manga? This is a shounen series and the author has too much to lose if any single girl wins, sine more than 50% of the readers would dislike said ending since their girl didn't win. My guess is that there will be a new story element introduced later on that will push any selection further down the line.

[Death Usagi]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

Has anyone here thought for a second that there wont be a winner girl at the end of the manga? This is a shounen series and the author has too much to lose if any single girl wins, sine more than 50% of the readers would dislike said ending since their girl didn't win. My guess is that there will be a new story element introduced later on that will push any selection further down the line.

Well, if we don't want a Deja Vu of what happened with OreImo, then yeah. Open End is the best usually, just to leave things to the fans to speculate after the series ends.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Death Usagi

Well, if we don't want a Deja Vu of what happened with OreImo, then yeah. Open End is the best usually, just to leave things to the fans to speculate after the series ends.

If an author had a definite vision of how it should end it would be very poor to alter it to a largely dissatisfying open end just to please fans of the most popular character(s). I certainly hope Nisekoi won't go down this road. If the author, however, intended to do an open end from the beginning, then it's another matter, of course.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by SigUp

If an author had a definite vision of how it should end it would be very poor to alter it to a largely dissatisfying open end just to please fans of the most popular character(s).

I have no idea if that is the case, but bear in mind that in Japan reader preferences have in the past shaped not only the ending, but the general story of a manga. i.e. Lum was supposedly a one-shot character, but she stayed and became the winner at the end. Shampoo was just the same (albeit she did not won Ranma's heart). Also, Ranma 1/2 started with a more romantic feeling to it and ended up being mostly slapstick. Also, remember how Kannagi was forced into hiatus due to an unfortunate plot decision or how the female lead in School Rumble changed due to fan demand.

So in this times of dwindling magazine prints, it would be no surprise that the author at the very least will try not to anger his fans.

[Chosen_Hero]

I personally think that it's ok if an author changes the ending depending on fan choice, as long as it's done right, gives us a viable reason in the story it should end like that way and is handled with care. I personally think that Nisekoi's author should stick to the RakuxChitoge end because we already have seen a lot of development from them pointing in that direction, while Raku's development with Onodera hasn't even made a dent, they are still the same they were in the beginning of the series.

Fans apprecieate good development, seeing how they change, how they interact and how they deal with it is what makes us follow this kind of series (it could be said it's why shipping exists, when someone clicks with the main character it's difficult not to cheer for them, although we do get people who go overboard).

I'm someone who sometimes likes the whole "first girl = end girl" development, sometimes but most of the times I like one of the other main girls, I'm mostly tired of the "insert unbelieveable girl (idol, cool beauty, etc.) appears out of no where (or gets transferred, or magically falls from the sky, etc.) and the main prltagonkst thinks he found the love of his life" scenario, it's boring. I rather see the one that puts the actual effort win in the end (so what if she stalks him a little, like non of you ever did it once) that's wby I'm a fan of Chitoge (although Tsugumi is my favorite) she actually tries, it's why I'm a fan of Mikoto (she tries, much to the dismay of her haters and to comedic effect but tries), it's why I was and still am a Zessica fan (damn you Aquarion and your fight destiny by following said destiny you are trying to fight), etc. Sadly the vast majority in anime consist of the same clkche that is never going to change.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Death Usagi

Well, if we don't want a Deja Vu of what happened with OreImo, then yeah. Open End is the best usually, just to leave things to the fans to speculate after the series ends.

Open endings (in romance) are the worst. They try not to displease anybody and end up making nobody happy. Remember the rage when School Rumble and To Love-ru ended? Nisekoi should have a definitive ending, one that will please at least one part of the fanbase. Incidentally, OreImo's ending is hated because it's half-assed and inconclusive. You want to make an incest ending? Go all the way!

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Open endings (in romance) are the worst. They try not to displease anybody and end up making nobody happy. Remember the rage when School Rumble and To Love-ru ended? Nisekoi should have a definitive ending, one that will please at least one part of the fanbase. Incidentally, OreImo's ending is hated because it's half-assed and inconclusive. You want to make an incest ending? Go all the way!

IMO School Rumble's ending was half-assed and inconclusive (the mangaka ran out of ideas and didn't even bother with any real closure). TLR I did not see. But OreImo had a conclusive ending (he threw any real life waifu material to pork his sister, only that the ecchi stuff was done off camera because a family oriented magazine publishes the original light novel) and as a Kuroneko fan I am mad since she even offered to share Kyosuke >_<

I wonder how come this genre is still popular because at the end the author is damned if he does, damned if he does not.

[Starshipw]

Winners in a harem manga... Most of these stories start at 14 or 15. Whose life story is decided at that age? If they have a good run they may last until graduation or even college. The real life MC picks a girlfriend at 15 and how many last until Christmas or even next month? What small percent stay together until graduation? Stay together thru college? Get married and live happily ever after?

So are the rest of the harem losers? Not really. They find someone else and live more or less good lives, often happier than they would have been with the boy of their dreams. Shipping wars for fictional characters have only so much attraction for me. I have my favorites, but mainly because I like nice girls. I wouldn't hang around with someone who punched me over the treetops.

KNIM, among much drama that stretched credulity, was in ways realistic. He liked different girls at different times of his life. He had major breakups. His friends split into camps about who was the destined girl he should be with or how he treated the jilted girl. Nearly all the characters found someone to love. Then at the end there were fantasy chapters which showed that life would not have been so horrible whichever girl he chose.

[Ginko08]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

make no mistake I prefer onodera over both of them.
Girls like marika annoy me because they go a bit too far with their feelings.
Girls like chitoge annoy me because their personality takes away from their attractiveness.
Girls like Onodera (even though she's my favorite) generally get the backseat because of the rule of manga (print more volumes make more money). Most manga where the mutual attraction is known and focused on from the start generally don't last very long there are quite a few of those. Fact is if Onodera confessed to Raku as early as it suggested they could. This manga wouldn't have made chapter 50. (which is why they write her so shy to keep that plot going)

I might have liked Onodera if she did exactly that, I hate how she and Raku are both utterly oblivious. Onodera is just kinda boring for me, she doesn't contribute much (not that the others do much more recently), and feels like some standard high school girl, something that seldomly piques my interest, but oh well.
As to Chitoge, I am actually fond of the tsundere archetype, I like their mindsets and their reactions, but I can see why you would be bothered by her aggressive side. I'm one of those who appreciate that, even though meeting her irl would be downright terrible.

Originally Posted by Kanon

Open endings (in romance) are the worst. They try not to displease anybody and end up making nobody happy. Remember the rage when School Rumble and To Love-ru ended? Nisekoi should have a definitive ending, one that will please at least one part of the fanbase. Incidentally, OreImo's ending is hated because it's half-assed and inconclusive. You want to make an incest ending? Go all the way!

IIRC School Rumble has some side stories that take part after the series which hint at some couples.
And I agree, open endings are horrible. I'd want either a harem end or Raku picking one girl, and as the first one is absolutely impossible in this one, I am hoping for a valid conclusion.

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by Starshipw

Winners in a harem manga... Most of these stories start at 14 or 15. Whose life story is decided at that age? If they have a good run they may last until graduation or even college. The real life MC picks a girlfriend at 15 and how many last until Christmas or even next month? What small percent stay together until graduation? Stay together thru college? Get married and live happily ever after?

So are the rest of the harem losers? Not really. They find someone else and live more or less good lives, often happier than they would have been with the boy of their dreams. Shipping wars for fictional characters have only so much attraction for me. I have my favorites, but mainly because I like nice girls. I wouldn't hang around with someone who punched me over the treetops.

KNIM, among much drama that stretched credulity, was in ways realistic. He liked different girls at different times of his life. He had major breakups. His friends split into camps about who was the destined girl he should be with or how he treated the jilted girl. Nearly all the characters found someone to love. Then at the end there were fantasy chapters which showed that life would not have been so horrible whichever girl he chose.

But if I wanted that I would be watching some soap opera or japanese drama or something, as much as there are things that don't make sense in romcom anime I don't want it to get too real. It's like with videogames, I don't want it to be too real, if I want complete realism I would go and do it irl.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Ginko08

I might have liked Onodera if she did exactly that, I hate how she and Raku are both utterly oblivious. Onodera is just kinda boring for me, she doesn't contribute much (not that the others do much more recently), and feels like some standard high school girl, something that seldomly piques my interest, but oh well.
As to Chitoge, I am actually fond of the tsundere archetype, I like their mindsets and their reactions, but I can see why you would be bothered by her aggressive side. I'm one of those who appreciate that, even though meeting her irl would be downright terrible.

I'm bothered by Marika's aggressive side but chitoge's problem is her attitude.

Again I do agree onodera and raku are utterly oblivious but lets face it much like TLR the manga would fall apart if they weren't. Here's what would happen if Raku had half a brain.

He'd convince chitoge to talk to the group have a meeting with all of them admit that they faked the relationship and say they did it so you guys would get along. Since both groups care about the kids assumingly the problem ends.
He'd then confess to dera problem is if that happened the manga would end

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

He'd convince chitoge to talk to the group have a meeting with all of them admit that they faked the relationship and say they did it so you guys would get along. Since both groups care about the kids assumingly the problem ends.
He'd then confess to dera problem is if that happened the manga would end

Why should it end there. Then he gets to know Kosaki better and finds out she's not his dream girl, breaks up with her and pursues another girl. Or they are hunted by angry mobsters who think Chitoge was merely lying to cover up for Raku breaking up with her, as she cares about him and they have to run for their lives and so on, and so on.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

He'd convince chitoge to talk to the group have a meeting with all of them admit that they faked the relationship and say they did it so you guys would get along. Since both groups care about the kids assumingly the problem ends.

Living in a country where the mafia (the "carteles") are alive and kicking, I find your solution quite hilarious. Those kind of people think with their guns, the only reason they are not trying to kill each other is because if Raku/Chitoge are engaged, therefore their organizations will fusion in the future, fighting each other would be akin to having your left hand try to cut your right leg (as in, no matter how dumb you are, you don't do that). The moment their fake relationship ends is hunting season all over again, they only care for Raku or Chitoge, not for both. They might spare chitoge and raku out of the heirs desires, but that does not mean they will not try to exterminate the opposing organization.

Either they marry each other or one of the organizations leave the others area of operation. There is no middle ground.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by SigUp

Why should it end there. Then he gets to know Kosaki better and finds out she's not his dream girl, breaks up with her and pursues another girl. Or they are hunted by angry mobsters who think Chitoge was merely lying to cover up for Raku breaking up with her, as she cares about him and they have to run for their lives and so on, and so on.

Idk if that's cause your a chitoge fan or because you're a jokester.

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

Living in a country where the mafia (the "carteles") are alive and kicking, I find your solution quite hilarious. Those kind of people think with their guns, the only reason they are not trying to kill each other is because if Raku/Chitoge are engaged, therefore their organizations will fusion in the future, fighting each other would be akin to having your left hand try to cut your right leg (as in, no matter how dumb you are, you don't do that). The moment their fake relationship ends is hunting season all over again, they only care for Raku or Chitoge, not for both. They might spare chitoge and raku out of the heirs desires, but that does not mean they will not try to exterminate the opposing organization.

Either they marry each other or one of the organizations leave the others area of operation. There is no middle ground.

I cant imagine the brutality of the true cartels but you should be well aware that most real life dynamics don't exist in manga (its what makes them so fun). Still I get what you're saying

[LeaD36]

FYI Mafias exist in every country with a population exceeding roughly 500k-1kk.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by LeaD36

FYI Mafias exist in every country with a population exceeding roughly 500k-1kk.

I would go as far as to say you only need a city to have a local "thieves guild". But most of the time mafias do their thing in the shadows, you do not see often one group fight the other and if they do, they try to exterminate the other in one single night if possible (cue to one of The Godfathers movies). But if both groups are about the same strength, a fight can last for years and cost then of thousands of lives (those are no estimates, but actual figures, I will spare you the link to the actual monthly tally). So my point was that if they could not eliminate each other quickly, the heads of the organization decided to put their offspring in a fake relationship, I would not be surprised if these was arranged ten years ago and would not be surprised that by the end of high school they will get the news that their wedding has already been arranged (what a better plan to deceive those two?). Even if they do not love each other they will care for each other too much to go against such arranged marriage, they do not desire to kill each other and running away would only mean many people would die instead.

[SuitUp]

^
Were this a drama series grounded in serious reality, I would tend to agree, but this is a goddamn romcom, a clichéd one at that, and your description, while somewhat acurated (not entirely, but it's rather impossible to have a good insight on mafia's business unless you're either a history buff or an actual mobster) it's too goddamn serious to use on the context of this manga.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by SuitUp

^
Were this a drama series grounded in serious reality, I would tend to agree, but this is a goddamn romcom, a clichéd one at that, and your description, while somewhat acurated (not entirely, but it's rather impossible to have a good insight on mafia's business unless you're either a history buff or an actual mobster) it's too goddamn serious to use on the context of this manga.

bro calm down yea its not realistic but don't bite the persons head off. Either way back to the topic we had going. is it good or bad for tsugumi/marika to find out about the faked relationship between raku and chitoge

[Lazy cat]

marika would love it, that would mean that chitoge and raku aren't realy in love with each other (actualy chitoge is but marika wouldn't know), in worst case scenario she could use her father influence to interfere with the gangs so they can't figth(don't ask me how)

tsugumi would be very conflicted because of the thrust cloud have in her, but in the end would chose to help chitoge and ichijou while not having to hold back

conclusion
marika: is too imprevisible
tsugumi: that would be good