2014-09-07, 21:56 | Link #961 |
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I don't really disagree that it's another kind of shit, but I just don't think having the Taliban in power was a viable choice especially with their enforced restriction on womens' rights at a minimum. While certainly such oppression would not have no magic pill that will take decades to repair, I think there's a difference there. This kind of thing has no easy solution, but at least there was more sound reasons for such an intervention that had international approval, as opposed to something like Iraq which is more disputable even if it had reasons.
Point is while I think my country has done a lot of trouble, I think it also does quite a few good things that gets understated. It still doesn't excuse anything, btw.
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But like i said, that's simply how you look from a biased viewpoint. See, you can argue that the Japanese policy is fine because they still have the highest life expectancy. But you surely didn't take into account whether the Russians life expectancy will drop when claiming their government "staving off their citizens" with their policy isn't it? Quote:
You know the US imported 115 billions world of food and export only 136 billions ? The key things here is import what you don't have, can't grow so a lot of things. If US ban food import, the situation in US will be no different with Russia banning European fruit and vegetables: some products won't be available or priced up Quote:
And just like ganbaru said, it was simply a case of going from living under a bunch of religious fanatics to a war-torn society. You can argue that one is better than another. But i can't
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2014-09-07, 22:42 | Link #963 |
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Consider that I had classmates in college and high school that were from Afghanistan (refuge families from the war with Russia). When we heard about the defacing of the Buddhist shrine there one told me that he felt he wouldn't be able to go home again after what the Taliban had done. Less than a year later, we are at war with the Taliban.
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And that's not my point. It's not like you're omitting parts of the big picture too-- Japan will ban food due to safety problems! So apples and oranges it is! Quote:
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The foremost duty of an overthrow of a government, in every cases, is always to satisfy the mass. If they failed to do that, then the new one would not be able to get a firm stand. Everything got worse if the people themselves didn't initiate the action. I could see something similar with Russia and Crimea. |
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2014-09-08, 12:06 | Link #966 |
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Yea, a lot of that is in the people of Afghanistan's hands, and you can only help them so much. I just feel with the Taliban attitude towards women, that it would be impossible for freedom to grow in such an environment. But it is true said situation was forced on the people whether or not they were ready, due to the international belligerency of the Taliban.
Ukraine situation will definitely hold many countries responsible for the trouble here, as many have an agenda on both sides, and interfering with the will of the people will not contribute anything to stability over there. We can only hope Russia will realize these things, which they most likely will stop this dangerous game-- it's just about when to draw the line. I don't know who will win, but I know many will lose.
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2014-09-08, 15:41 | Link #968 |
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Hmm, that particular imbalance is analyzed here Trying to dominate Eurasia is just as bad as it in reality.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/...y_is_weak.html Though I guess I would be like to be that guy to wreck the board at times. More so now.
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2014-09-12, 12:54 | Link #969 | |
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So the taliban problem can be rooted back to an US-led proxy-war with the USSR. If the soviets had the chance to actually develop the country back then, Afghanistan could be much more developed then it is today. Arguably the US-led approach of ousting the soviet army/occupiers, instead destabilized the region in a way, that even today can be felt. So, to actually see the USA as hero and liberator in Afghanistan you'ld need to have a very bizarre and one-sided understanding of world politics. *edit: They just removed some of the mess they left there.
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2014-09-12, 23:30 | Link #973 |
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There is similarity through. Ukraine could head in Afghanistan direction where worse thing is born out when it becomes a playground for the superpower nations.
Instead of radical Islamist like the Taliban. It could be an infested ground for fascist and far-right group for example. Not like they were unpopular in Eastern Europe Civil war backed by 2 superpower interest. What did we have so far this past century?
I guess option 2 and 5 probably will be preferable for Ukraine. Did i miss someone?
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Though I would agree it's a mess cleanup than anything else. And yes, analogies are just that. What would be a better analogy? Well, if the US annexes part of Mexico to protect American citizens due to the government over there failing, I'd like to imgine what the reaction of that would be... (not that the US hasn't meddled there before in the past as well as conquering like half the country.)
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Lot of reports I've suggest are showing more foreigners fighting on both sides. Includes Americans and Russians too. Though most countries are trying to put up stiff penalties.
Most of those fighting alongside the rebels say that they want to stop Western support over Kiev's fascist government.
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2014-09-28, 19:54 | Link #980 |
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World War 3 imminent? Vladimir Putin planning major war for a decade,
says aide: "Russian president Vladimir Putin has been planning for a major war for at least a decade, according to a former high ranking advisor. The Inquisitr reported Sept. 26 that not only has Putin been planning for military operations in Crimea and Ukraine, he has plans for the Baltic region and perhaps other territories as well based on the legal definition of what constitutes persons from Russia. Could this mean that the Russian president is willing to take the world to the brink of World War 3? Former presidential adviser Andrey Illarionov, speaking at a conference in Lithuania, said that his former boss has had designs on the region since 2003. The adviser noted that as far back as 2008, the Russian Journal had published a plan for the takeover of Crimea, followed by a military sweep northwestward toward Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. Illarionov, who advised the Russian president on economic policy between 2000-2005, pointed out, according to the Lithuanian Times: “As we see, not only were they preparing, they were publishing it." And, according to the former high ranking official, Putin himself revealed his position about Ukraine's status as a nation in 2010 at a NATO summit when he said the state wasn't a "real" nation but a country that took over territory once occupied by Russia, Romania, Hungary, and Poland." See: http://www.examiner.com/article/worl...cade-says-aide ================================================== ========= Poland needs nuclear arms to ward off Russia: Walesa: "Walesa said Poland should procure nuclear weapons as a safeguard against Russia, which it blames for stoking the crisis in neighboring Ukraine." See: http://www.defencetalk.com/poland-ne...-walesa-60642/ The Ukraine mess is having some serious fallout ... perhaps in more ways than one .... Last edited by AnimeFan188; 2014-09-28 at 20:11. |
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