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Galaxian · 2016-02-03, 21:13

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Originally Posted by Shinji103

YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!

I'm not sure why you guys think there will be a problem though. They never once said Superman and Supergirl don't exist on the Arrow-verse, nor that the Arrow/Green Arrow and the Flash don't exist in the Supergirl-verse, andnot mentioning them in either show isn't non-existence of either.

Because, in Supergirl, it has been made clear that the existence of individual with super powers has been common knowledge for years and they focus on Metropolis.

Meanwhile, the Arrowverse has also made it clear that the exorbitance of Metahumans, including the ones not created by the particle accelerator, have only come to light a year ago and focusing on Central City.

Shinji103 · 2016-02-04, 02:17

Chosen_Hero: I get what you're saying, but I still don't believe that lack of mentioning is the same as something not existing.

Galaxian: Much better point (no offense, Chosen

), but I'm still not 100% convinced that Arrow, Flash, and Supergirl can't exist in the same universe. This wouldn't be the first time stated points have been retconned in a TV series.

Not that there's anything wrong with them being in different universes, though. (other than a Supergirl/Flash crossover would be harder to do again, to say nothing of an Arrow/Supergirl crossover.......

)

EDIT: You now, it totally slipped my mind but remember that last season when they found the Time Vault, Gideon was interrupted when she was saying "Also known as the Flash. Founding member of-". I think we all know what was at the end of that sentence.

Which would mean that in some way, Superman and Batman do/will exist in the Arrowverse.

Wandering Soul · 2016-02-04, 07:47

^It could be that this version of the Justice League has different founding members or that those 2 just aren't active at that point.

If Superman did exist at this point, then Barry's backstory no longer makes sense. The entire reason Barry became a forensic scientist and went to Starling city was to prove that the extraordinary exists. If Superman existed he wouldn't have had to do that. He could just pointed out the flying alien in metropolis to everyone.

Ithekro · 2016-02-04, 16:45

Or Superman hadn't shown himself yet.

Galaxian · 2016-02-05, 00:06

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

Or Superman hadn't shown himself yet.

Supergirl made it clear that Superman has been active for several years.

I would find it hilarious if Supergirl ends up being in Earth 2, since it does match a bit (Clark was already Superman when Kara, as a young girl, arrived) and it would mean that this Kara will eventually become Power Girl.

Ithekro · 2016-02-05, 00:44

Melissa Benoist doesn't have the "most common super power" that Power Girl traditionally sports.

Shinji103 · 2016-02-05, 02:52

If Superman or Supergirl was on earth 2, wouldn't they help do something about Zoom? You could lay the "taking care of each other's cities" line, but earth 2 Flash (Jay) has been gone for a long time, and Harry illustrated pretty well that Zoom is a major menace with his cop trap story a few episodes. So would Clark and Kara really leave Zoom alone to take care of their own respective cities? Even Barry isn't willing to leave earth 2 to Zoom. For that matter, wouldn't Harry try to get help from the Super people?

And Rip just dropped the "I've seen men of steel die and dark knights fall" line in Legends of Tomorrow. It's pretty clear who he's talking about. I still think Supergirl being in the Arrowverse is a real possibility. Like I said, it wouldn't be the first time a TV show has retconned itself.

Wandering Soul · 2016-02-05, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Shinji103

If Superman or Supergirl was on earth 2, wouldn't they help do something about Zoom? You could lay the "taking care of each other's cities" line, but earth 2 Flash (Jay) has been gone for a long time, and Harry illustrated pretty well that Zoom is a major menace with his cop trap story a few episodes. So would Clark and Kara really leave Zoom alone to take care of their own respective cities? Even Barry isn't willing to leave earth 2 to Zoom. For that matter, wouldn't Harry try to get help from the Super people?

Who says they have to be from earth 2? There are 52 breaches, so they could easily be from one of those breaches.

Shinji103 · 2016-02-05, 16:48

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Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

Who says they have to be from earth 2? There are 52 breaches, so they could easily be from one of those breaches.

That was in reply to the people saying Supergirl is in earth 2.

james0246 · 2016-02-05, 23:59

God, Barry actually doing some super science for once was hot. One of my biggest complaints for the tv series has anyways been Barry's lack of overt intelligence. It's always Sisco or Caitlin (or Wells, Stein or Felicity) solving the problem, coming up with a solution, never really Barry. So it's nice to see Barry contributing to the super science (humorously at that).

Hakai · 2016-02-06, 12:03

Enter earth 2! Hype hype!!

Barry was really mature this episode. Hopefully from now on we'll see Harry working with the team for real without being all shady

GDB · 2016-02-09, 20:10

Supergirl just confirmed alternate Earth. They showed a glimpse of her as Barry ran through the breach, along with John Wesley Shipp's Flash.

*edit*

Spoiler:

Wandering Soul · 2016-02-09, 23:21

If there was any doubt the Supergirl crossover would include breaches it's gone now.

I was hoping we would we get to see more of Earth 2 Cisco, but he ended up getting taken care of pretty quickly. He did show Cisco his own potential though. Hopefully Cisco will try to learn how to harness that potential.

Loved that Easter egg on Earth 2 Barry's phone.

Galaxian · 2016-02-09, 23:23

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Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

I was hoping we would we get to see more of Earth 2 Cisco, but he ended up getting taken care of pretty quickly. He did show Cisco his own potential though. Hopefully Cisco will try to learn how to harness that potential.

According to an interview with the show's producers, that was exactly the reason why the even added Reverb. So that Cisco has something to work towards.

Some really interesting stuff in the interview: Source

Shinji103 · 2016-02-11, 00:20

So that settles the Supergirl debate.

Nice to see a little cameo of the original Flash series.

. But who was that guy with the revolver in the second set of flashes, and what was with Oliver in the first set? Something about him just felt off.
They might as well just call earth 2 Mirror Earth. Practically everything was the opposite of earth 1.
So how would Barry 2 know Bruce 2, Hal 2, and Diana 2? Either they're their superhero selves and they're in the Justice League, which would make no sense for non-Flash Barry to be acquainted with them, or they're not superheroes on earth 2, which would make no sense for Barry to be on speed dial with a billionaire and a warrior princess. (Hal wouldn't be anything odd since he's just a pilot if he's not Green Lantern). Or that was really nothing more than an Easter egg and they don't want us to think too hard about it.

Nice to see that we'll probably get Jay back in action full time for the last part of the season.
And who the heck was that other person with the mask in Zoom's prison?

justsomeguy · 2016-02-11, 01:32

The guy with the gun is Jonah Hex.

No idea who the masked guy was, but something about him was reminiscent of Barry's dad.

Shinji103 · 2016-02-11, 01:33

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Originally Posted by justsomeguy

The guy with the gun is Jonah Hex.

No idea who the masked guy was, but something about him was reminiscent of Barry's dad.

Really? I didn't see his trademark facial scarring.

justsomeguy · 2016-02-11, 01:43

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Originally Posted by Shinji103

Really? I didn't see his trademark facial scarring.

Check out the right side of his face (on the left side of the screen), there's many fleshy wrinkles there.

Wandering Soul · 2016-02-11, 17:42

Earth 2 is truly a crazy place.

http://imgur.com/a/gmAWv

Akito Kinomoto · 2016-02-12, 15:25

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Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

Earth 2 is truly a crazy place.

http://imgur.com/a/gmAWv

"Some say you've been the reverb." Golden

2016-02-04, 02:17	Link #362
Shinji103 Crazy Devout Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 1st Ra Cailum-class battleship Ra Cailum, port-side officer's bunks	Chosen_Hero: I get what you're saying, but I still don't believe that lack of mentioning is the same as something not existing. Galaxian: Much better point (no offense, Chosen ), but I'm still not 100% convinced that Arrow, Flash, and Supergirl can't exist in the same universe. This wouldn't be the first time stated points have been retconned in a TV series. Not that there's anything wrong with them being in different universes, though. (other than a Supergirl/Flash crossover would be harder to do again, to say nothing of an Arrow/Supergirl crossover....... ) EDIT: You now, it totally slipped my mind but remember that last season when they found the Time Vault, Gideon was interrupted when she was saying "Also known as the Flash. Founding member of-". I think we all know what was at the end of that sentence. Which would mean that in some way, Superman and Batman do/will exist in the Arrowverse. __________________ Last edited by Shinji103; 2016-02-04 at 03:03.

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Wandering Soul Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: America	^It could be that this version of the Justice League has different founding members or that those 2 just aren't active at that point. If Superman did exist at this point, then Barry's backstory no longer makes sense. The entire reason Barry became a forensic scientist and went to Starling city was to prove that the extraordinary exists. If Superman existed he wouldn't have had to do that. He could just pointed out the flying alien in metropolis to everyone. __________________

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Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Or Superman hadn't shown himself yet. __________________

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Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Melissa Benoist doesn't have the "most common super power" that Power Girl traditionally sports. __________________

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Shinji103 Crazy Devout Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 1st Ra Cailum-class battleship Ra Cailum, port-side officer's bunks	If Superman or Supergirl was on earth 2, wouldn't they help do something about Zoom? You could lay the "taking care of each other's cities" line, but earth 2 Flash (Jay) has been gone for a long time, and Harry illustrated pretty well that Zoom is a major menace with his cop trap story a few episodes. So would Clark and Kara really leave Zoom alone to take care of their own respective cities? Even Barry isn't willing to leave earth 2 to Zoom. For that matter, wouldn't Harry try to get help from the Super people? And Rip just dropped the "I've seen men of steel die and dark knights fall" line in Legends of Tomorrow. It's pretty clear who he's talking about. I still think Supergirl being in the Arrowverse is a real possibility. Like I said, it wouldn't be the first time a TV show has retconned itself. __________________

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james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	God, Barry actually doing some super science for once was hot. One of my biggest complaints for the tv series has anyways been Barry's lack of overt intelligence. It's always Sisco or Caitlin (or Wells, Stein or Felicity) solving the problem, coming up with a solution, never really Barry. So it's nice to see Barry contributing to the super science (humorously at that).

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Hakai Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Age: 25	Enter earth 2! Hype hype!! Barry was really mature this episode. Hopefully from now on we'll see Harry working with the team for real without being all shady __________________

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GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	Supergirl just confirmed alternate Earth. They showed a glimpse of her as Barry ran through the breach, along with John Wesley Shipp's Flash. edit Spoiler: Ha, Earth-2 Barry has Bruce, Hal, and Diana on speed dial. Last edited by GDB; 2016-02-09 at 20:32.

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Wandering Soul Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: America	If there was any doubt the Supergirl crossover would include breaches it's gone now. I was hoping we would we get to see more of Earth 2 Cisco, but he ended up getting taken care of pretty quickly. He did show Cisco his own potential though. Hopefully Cisco will try to learn how to harness that potential. Loved that Easter egg on Earth 2 Barry's phone. __________________

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Shinji103 Crazy Devout Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 1st Ra Cailum-class battleship Ra Cailum, port-side officer's bunks	So that settles the Supergirl debate. Nice to see a little cameo of the original Flash series. . But who was that guy with the revolver in the second set of flashes, and what was with Oliver in the first set? Something about him just felt off. They might as well just call earth 2 Mirror Earth. Practically everything was the opposite of earth 1. So how would Barry 2 know Bruce 2, Hal 2, and Diana 2? Either they're their superhero selves and they're in the Justice League, which would make no sense for non-Flash Barry to be acquainted with them, or they're not superheroes on earth 2, which would make no sense for Barry to be on speed dial with a billionaire and a warrior princess. (Hal wouldn't be anything odd since he's just a pilot if he's not Green Lantern). Or that was really nothing more than an Easter egg and they don't want us to think too hard about it. Nice to see that we'll probably get Jay back in action full time for the last part of the season. And who the heck was that other person with the mask in Zoom's prison? __________________

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Wandering Soul Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: America	Earth 2 is truly a crazy place. http://imgur.com/a/gmAWv __________________