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The Protodevlin modified VF-14's? I think they were called the Elgozorene.
http://macross.anime.net/wiki/VF-14_Vampire It's definitely looking like it....and a bit of the SV-51 pointy head too.
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2016-05-31, 23:53 | Link #1584 |
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So apparently the drones that combine with the Draken are called Lil Draken. In real life Lill-Draken was the (probably retroactive) nickname given to the experimental SAAB 210 that was used to test the real life Draken's double delta wing configuration.
Is it just me, or is that thing kind of moe? (Sidenote: Although its often stated that the name "Draken" means "dragon" it apparently actually means "kite.") |
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God forbid it's an unshackled one. Clearly the Knights never knew the word curbstomp until that day.
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2016-06-04, 01:04 | Link #1587 | |
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Anyway I was reviewing some footage from Episode 1, and it seems the missiles in the Draken's add on missile bays are stored at an angle. Going by my count of this frame and others, there are thirty seven missiles per bay (assuming the dorsal and ventral bays are identical). Plus whatever the Lill Draken drones are carrying for their missiles tubes. The missiles themselves are also rather interesting. They have pop out tail fins, and thrusters on the sides of their bodies which they use to practically jump off the storage racks. They're also pretty darn agile -after jumping off the racks they essentially do a one hundred eight degree flip to orient their noses toward Messer's fighter. Last edited by Darthtabby; 2016-06-06 at 15:54. |
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2016-06-04, 02:14 | Link #1588 |
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Yes macross missiles even have verniers on them. I wonder what kind of development would be needed irl to have this capability.
I also wonder if it is possible to re-sculpt a working Draken EDF RC plane into the SV-262 or build one from scratch- even if just flying w/o the drones... Plus points if it has detachable drones that can fly independently (well redocking them would be a whole new challenge)
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2016-06-04, 02:45 | Link #1589 |
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RL missiles like the AIM-9X already have thrust vectoring to achieve extreme angles of interception, but at the moment verniers are AFAIK only used in (much) larger missiles to help them stabilize after (vertical) launch, like the Russo-Indian BrahMos. The only other exceptions are for kinetic-kill vehicles used in the exoatmospheric layer, and those aren't really missiles per se, but specialized warheads, and ground-based, anti-RPG missiles like Raytheon's Quick Kill. Verniers on longer, narrow frames used for dogfighting, however, pose two problems:
1. There's not much room in a air-to-air missile, so that space might as well be used to store more electronics (better detection and tracking or countermeasure discrimination), a larger warhead (greater lethality) or more rocket fuel (longer effective ranges) rather than a fancy gimmick. 2. Structural problems caused by excessive G-forces. Vernier thrusters firing up rather aggressively on a (long) tubular airframe flying at Mach 2/3 could cause the fuselage to come apart in midair if the maneuver is rather radical. Shorter, stubbier airframes like the ones in the screenshot above (or on Raytheon's Quick Kill munition), however, should be more insensitive to such stress. Right now thrust vectoring (on the main rocket motor) is plenty enough.
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2016-06-06, 09:02 | Link #1590 |
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I should also add that generally you don't want your AAMs to have to pull these sorts of maneuvers in gravity, since that results in reduced energy. One of the lessons that TOPGUN taught US Navy F-4 drivers was the engagement envelope of the Sidewinder and Sparrow, and how to manuever so that when you fired you were in the most advantageous position with the most potential energy for your missile. This is how gunless F-4Cs racked up higher kill ratios than gun-equipped F-4Es (and also USAF training was not as focused on ACM as the USN).
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2016-06-06, 11:23 | Link #1592 | |
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The configuration does allow the Draken to concentrate its guns forward, but doesn't let the head guns fire to the rear like the ones on many newer VFs like the 25 and 31 (for all the good that generally does). Quote:
BTW, I noted in the latest episode that the micro missiles on the VF-31 also have vernier thrusters, though as of yet they haven't been used to do what we've seen the Draken's missiles do. |
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Sketchley from MW has two new pieces of info. The Sv used by Windermere during the 2050's and the name of the VF-31A.
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I found the pages Sketchley is referring to at /a/. The Sv-262 was designed inspired by the VF-9. The length of the Macross Elysion is 828 meters. Last edited by ReddyRedWolf; 2016-06-18 at 10:54. |
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2016-06-22, 14:10 | Link #1597 |
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Huh, so the Elysion is shorter than a full-fledged Macross class, but definitely larger than a Quarter. Given it's size, it might be the case that it's really more of a proto-Quarter, where the Elysion is one of the steps to miniaturizing a Macross class.
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2016-06-23, 23:41 | Link #1599 | |
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2016-08-08, 11:37 | Link #1600 |
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Huh? Just noticed the Dulfim type can fire like Supervision gunship and Meltrandi gunship without the the whole split transformation.
Windermere's Deneb variant don't seem equipped as a gunship. The Catamaran-type of theirs half serves a gunship it seems while the other a carrier. edit: According to Macross Delta novelization vol 1 by Kodachi Ukyo the Sv-154 was called the Sv-154 Svärd, meaning Sword in Swedish. edit: Well this is interesting. Epsilon is selling two variants of the Deneb class. |
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