(L) Tales of Zestiria the Cross

[RDNexus]

It may have been a case of convenient retconning.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Harbinger

I was under the impression that one's resonance and affinity with Mana do not change after their birth. Their resonance and Mana affinity should stay the same, no matter what they do.

That's what Berseria implied (Eleanor said that in a skit --- about Mana. I made the link between Mana and Resonance).

Yeah, and I'm sure that applied in her situation, but a lot happened since Berseria with the deities that bestowed humankind with resonance in the first place. Becoming the shepherd, or having a pact with the shepherd has an element of divine intervention, especially when you consider things such as who Sorey is, what kind of place Elysia is, and where the purifying flame comes from.

Not that any of these things necessarily matter for the anime. It's a beast of its own at this point.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Harbinger

I was under the impression that one's resonance and affinity with Mana do not change after their birth. Their resonance and Mana affinity should stay the same, no matter what they do.

Spoiler for Berseria spoiler:

That's what Berseria implied (Eleanor said that in a skit --- about Mana. I made the link between Mana and Resonance).

Spoiler for Berseria and Zestiria game spoiler:

Yeah, that's how it works in Berseria.

As for Zestiria, I tend to think Sorey was born with high resonance and that's one of the reasons the Seraphs took him in as a baby. I don't remember if they ever said that resonance could change in Zestiria, but if they did, Berseria seems to have retconned that.

[Harbinger]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Spoiler for Berseria and Zestiria game spoiler:

Yeah, that's how it works in Berseria.

As for Zestiria, I tend to think Sorey was born with high resonance and that's one of the reasons the Seraphs took him in as a baby. I don't remember if they ever said that resonance could change in Zestiria, but if they did, Berseria seems to have retconned that.

Spoiler for ToZ sidequest spoilers. It totally won't be in the Anime:

There was a sidequest about a little girl who could see Seraph (in ToZ). She got bullied because of it. This quest seems to imply that your resonance is a "birth" thingy. In order to see Seraphim (outside of the Squire Pact), you must first have some resonance. Then, you must believe in Seraphim (Reason for me to believe this: Rose had high Resonance and could even see Seraphim as a child. However, she shut herself from Seraphim and could no longer see them after a certain incident).

Game Alisha had faith in Seraphim and truly did believe in them (at some point). However, her resonance was never good enough to see Seraphim without the Squire Pact. Belief alone is not enough. Resonance alone is not enough. You must have both. The Squire Pact can compensate the lack of Resonance.

Armatization seems to imply that you must have high Resonance to pull it off. Alisha never had the ability to do it. Rose could do it (probably for gameplay reasons...). However, the game did say that Rose's resonance was on par with Sorey. If anything, if we can use the DLC as cannon information, Rose's resonance was superior to Sorey's. She could have Alisha as her Squire without dulling her senses... well, she didn't say that she was losing her sight/vision because of it. Maybe she did but never brought it up.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Spoiler for Berseria and Zestiria game spoiler:

Yeah, that's how it works in Berseria.

As for Zestiria, I tend to think Sorey was born with high resonance and that's one of the reasons the Seraphs took him in as a baby. I don't remember if they ever said that resonance could change in Zestiria, but if they did, Berseria seems to have retconned that.

Berseria and Zestiria have the same rules regarding malevolence, purification and everything, Berseria actually never retconned anything from Zestiria. In fact it just doubled down on the rules set up by Zesitira.

Spoiler for for the game that the anime will probably never cover:

It's implied that everyone who was from Camlann had high resonance, according to the Berseria guidebooks one of the effects of REALLY powerful seraphim is that they can actually grant someone high resonance.

Spoiler for even bigger spoilers for Zestiria and Berseria:

Zenrus (Sorey's grandfather) and Maotelus (due to what he really is) are two of these seraphs. So even if Sorey wasn't born with it he was born in an area that was blessed by Maotelus, and raised in an area and personally blessed by Zenrus while growing up.

[akumaten]

To be honest, I was surprised that Symonne didn't become a dragon in the game being around all that malevolence.
Insert obligitory Alicia....Kamui...whatever. I'm already in too deep in this series to back out.

[larethian]

Hard to buy sudden kamui+fight-in-kamui form, but whatever. At least they look good huh.

[Ultragunner]

whatever the hell is going on in the new episode????

[Jaden]

Idk, I feel sorry for any anime-only viewers. This whole ending arc is just one big tease of references but it never makes sense of anything. And well, the game story had its problems, but the way they killed off Dezel and some other things were much more palpable than in this anime...

[wisteria233]

It's weird I was proven right about my problems with the anime, but I'm not exactly happy about it.

[Ultragunner]

it feels even Ufo didn't know what to do for the finale

the anime, while not spectacular, was ok until ep 22 where everything just took a complete downward wreckage

[orion]

Anime-only viewer here.... I think you guys are expecting the anime to follow the game too much. It's also promoting Berseria so I wasn't expecting it to exactly follow the game. I was also happy to see Velvet in ep. 11.

[Harbinger]

I'm enjoying it. I'm not please with every changes they made, naturally.

I wanted Sorey to go on an adventure. He barely even got to do that.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

it feels even Ufo didn't know what to do for the finale

the anime, while not spectacular, was ok until ep 22 where everything just took a complete downward wreckage

Well that's what happens when a story wastes too much time with side stories and doesn't spend any time setting up the main character and his story. Alisha and Rose may be cute girls but they're both ultimately far removed from Sorey's mission and goals so they don't help at all with setting up for the finale of his journey. Then there's the superficial references to Berseria, which they used but still got wrong.

Considering all of this Ufotable had no choice but to shit the bed with its ending.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by orion

Anime-only viewer here.... I think you guys are expecting the anime to follow the game too much. It's also promoting Berseria so I wasn't expecting it to exactly follow the game. I was also happy to see Velvet in ep. 11.

As a game player, I'm quite glad they didn't follow the game. I'm, uh, less glad about what they actually did.

[RDNexus]

If anything, they explored a couple things too much, pushed too many references to ToB and left some very relevant things to explore.
It really ended up going the wrong way. But still, it doesn't feel like it's going to a Final Battle, or maybe it's me hoping it doesn't...

[Tiberium Wolf]

I am anime viewer only on Zestiria but I have played Berseria game till before the last boss.

Now at ep 23 we have Sorey party going for the last boss Lord of Calamity. So what do we know of the Lord of Calamity and Symonne ? Almost nothing. The story here is all wrong. You might as well picked 2 other random made up chars and it wouldn't make any difference.

[RDNexus]

Precisely. No matter how screwed up ToZ could have been in the 2nd part of the game, at least they offered some sort of background for the antagonists' actions.
Well, Symonne was as lost in the game as she seemed to be in the Anime, just in a different way.
And Lunarre...it seems Ufotable exhausted their storytelling resources to make decent use of him. But the way Sorey and Mikleo acted when he was being buried...

[wisteria233]

The sad thing with Hedalf is that Ufotable actually removed most of his involvement with both countries. They messed up from the moment they introduced him and didn't make him the highlight of that episode.

The game has a lot of problems but the ending wasn't one of them.

[GDB]

There were a LOT of abrupt cuts in this episode, both visually and in terms of audio. Wouldn't surprise me if it was originally quite a bit longer and got butchered in editing. And the dialogue makes me think last episode was similar, since apparently Rose was fighting "for hours" longer than Alisha, yet it seemed to us to only be a few more seconds.