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Endscape · 2017-09-12, 01:07

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

It does, when the story decided that trying to prevent murder is pointless and that it is better to reward murderers.

By saying it doesn't matter what Altair did, you unequivocally admit that murder is fine.

The anime never said that murder was pointless or that what Altair did doesn't matter.

What it said was that saving the world was more important than punishing her. They literally tried every option they could before they went to the last one of appeasement.

Marcus H. · 2017-09-12, 01:09

The character design of the Creations and the opening theme songs were on point, though. Both gravityWall and sh0ut can stand as contenders for the season's best OP theme song alongside Princess Principal's "The Other Side of the Wall".

Sadly, the story was just a twisted mix between the Holy Grail War in the Fate/ series and the final portion of the Sternritter Arc in Bleach.

Cosmic Eagle · 2017-09-12, 01:32

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Originally Posted by justpassingby

Well, at least it felt good to tell Hiroe that he sucks, even though I was blocked by him later. Pretty sure there was another Japanese twitter that was blocked by Hiroe when I went through #レクリエイターズ tag last week.

Jesus, this thread.....You all spilling so much virtual ink here were seriously expecting a brilliant ending that much? To the point you had to go and insult a writer personally?

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2017-09-12, 01:34

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

By having you saying a creator's death is only important if it was suicide. That suicide was what little story this anime decided to end on, and not on the murders.

You're degrading yourself from presenting hilarious arguments to putting words in my mouth. Where in my posts did I ever say that "a creator's death is only important if it was suicide" huh? Where?

I'm asking you about the origin of your impression that the show somehow put suicide as more important than murder. Not from my post or anyone else but directly from the show itself. Such a simple question yet you can't answer it?

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Originally Posted by DMurphy

If I didn't know better, I'd wonder if this whole odd train of thought ('They spent more time dealing with someone's suicide than someone's murder! That means it's encouraging people to murder content creators!') isn't actually about being upset that the show is tackling suicide as subject matter at all.

Because we're pretty desensitised to murder in fiction by now, murder is the bread and butter of fiction, but suicide is a waaaaaay more uncomfortable topic for watchers to have to confront, especially when the show in question puts it in no uncertain terms that suicide doesn't happen in isolation, and that the actions of others can influence it.

Which isn't a bad thing, I think -- television needs to tackle those more uncomfortable subjects.

Yeah, tell me about it. They really have a weird concept of what the show is trying to present.

justpassingby · 2017-09-12, 01:35

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Jesus, this thread.....You all spilling so much virtual ink here were seriously expecting a brilliant ending that much? To the point you had to go and insult a writer personally?

Oh, we're sorry. Did they foreshadow a not brilliant ending? If all he received are nice comments, then he'll never stop writing shit like this.

Marcus H. · 2017-09-12, 01:44

I don't think he'd learn, considering his history of works.
Maybe he's already found his niche.

Endscape · 2017-09-12, 01:46

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Originally Posted by justpassingby

Oh, we're sorry. Did they foreshadow a not brilliant ending? If all he received are nice comments, then he'll never stop writing shit like this.

Yes, I'm sure some dude he's never heard of telling him he sucks in a 140 characters or less was such a brilliant criticism of his writing technique that he immediately began to don sackcloth for his ineptitude.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2017-09-12, 01:52

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Originally Posted by Endscape

Yes, I'm sure some dude he's never heard of telling him he sucks in a 140 characters or less was a such a brilliant criticism of his writing technique that he immediately began to don sackcloth for his ineptitude.

He literally created an anime where the main character was powered by the will of the fandom, that defeated the intent of the creator. I have no idea why you try to so hard to destroy the very foundation Re:Creators was built on. If fandom complaints don't matter then the entire anime should never have been written.

justpassingby · 2017-09-12, 01:53

People praising him in 140 words sure would make him conceited, lol.
You can also use more than one post to say whatever was wrong with RC, you know. And if he brave enough to look at the sales statistic or 2ch threads which are full with anonymous that he's never heard of, he'll learn something.

Key Board · 2017-09-12, 01:57

my problem is that this show loves Altair more than the actual audience of this show does

Look at Newtype's August ranking
both Selesia and Meteora are above Altair

So by this show's own logic

ALTAIR DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH AUDIENCE APPROVAL FOR THIS KIND OF THING TO HAPPEN

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2017-09-12, 01:59

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Originally Posted by justpassingby

People praising him in 140 words sure would make him conceited, lol.
You can also use more than one post to say whatever was wrong with RC, you know. And if he brave enough to look at the sales statistic or 2ch threads which is full with anonymous that he's never heard of, he'll learn something.

I still think the greatest backlash is caused by the story having the audacity to create an artificial fandom, disconnected from the real audience. Basically having the show praising itself for how good it is, and how many fake people loved it, all happening off screen where the real audience never saw it. People hate to be misrepresented, it is understandable that it offends.

justpassingby · 2017-09-12, 02:01

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Originally Posted by Key Board

my problem is that this show loves Altair more than the actual audience of this show does

Look at Newtype's August ranking
both Selesia and Meteora are above Altair

So by this show's own logic

ALTAIR DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH AUDIENCE APPROVAL FOR THIS KIND OF THING TO HAPPEN

Calm down

That was just Aniplex's promotion. If Aniplex even know Altair, she'll be up in the next month poll. And in the next one, and in the next one.

Endscape · 2017-09-12, 02:02

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Originally Posted by Key Board

my problem is that this show loves Altair more than the actual audience of this show does

Look at Newtype's August ranking
both Selesia and Meteora are above Altair

So by this show's own logic

ALTAIR DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH AUDIENCE APPROVAL FOR THIS KIND OF THING TO HAPPEN

Alastair is basically a meme.

The same people that like spreading Chuck Norris memes, almost none of them would say that Chuck Norris is their favorite actor. Not all fandom acceptance is equal.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2017-09-12, 02:06

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Originally Posted by Endscape

Alastair is basically a meme.

The same people that like spreading Chuck Norris memes, almost none of them would say that Chuck Norris is their favorite actor. Not all fandom acceptance is equal.

In-universe or out?
Because the real world is where the complaint lies.

Cosmic Eagle · 2017-09-12, 02:07

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Originally Posted by justpassingby

Oh, we're sorry. Did they foreshadow a not brilliant ending? If all he received are nice comments, then he'll never stop writing shit like this.

They did. They definitely did. It's obvious this was the end they were aiming for ever since the second half began

And come on....you know the point I'm trying to make. Insulting him isn't criticism at all. If you really want to get your point across, at least put up a proper argument to him otherwise you are no different from another net troll nobody will bother to remember

Endscape · 2017-09-12, 02:13

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

He literally created an anime where the main character was powered by the will of the fandom, that defeated the intent of the creator. I have no idea why you try to so hard to destroy the very foundation Re:Creators was built on. If fandom complaints don't matter then the entire anime should never have been written.

Again with the odd tangent.

My point was that if he wants Hiroe or anyone else to take his seething displeasure seriously, he should try stringing together more than 140 characters.

And before you say it, that doesn't mean he needs to write an essay to express his opinion, just don't be surprised if no one takes it seriously if he doesn't.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2017-09-12, 02:15

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

They did. They definitely did. It's obvious this was the end they were aiming for ever since the second half began

And come on....you know the point I'm trying to make. Insulting him isn't criticism at all. If you really want to get your point across, at least put up a proper argument to him otherwise you are no different from another net troll nobody will bother to remember

Are you saying it is hard to explain why his story was bad? It wasn't, he broke so many rules of story telling that it is hard to fit it into twitter. But if he really want to write about fans and misrepresenting them, he should be prepared for anger. He wrote a story where fans powered up a villain because allegedly fans like watching villains win. I have no idea where he got that idea from.

Endscape · 2017-09-12, 02:24

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Are you saying it is hard to explain why his story was bad? It wasn't, he broke so many rules of story telling that it is hard to fit it into twitter.

If it's so easy, a thorough analysis should be no problem then, right? Why confine yourself to a limited platform like Twitter?

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He wrote a story where fans powered up a villain because allegedly fans like watching villains win. I have no idea where he got that idea from.

I recommend watching more TV for the answer.

Key Board · 2017-09-12, 02:28

based on my own experience, viewers root for villains like Magane
not Altair

justpassingby · 2017-09-12, 02:30

Well, we're using 2ch, and we're happy to write to him through his blog, if he even cared to read. If the staffs foreshadowed a terrible ending since the start of 2nd cour, he should've been receiving criticisms from that moment onward.

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I recommend watching more TV for the answer.

And did most of the villains get scott-free or powered up through fans?

2017-09-12, 01:09	Link #2482
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	The character design of the Creations and the opening theme songs were on point, though. Both gravityWall and sh0ut can stand as contenders for the season's best OP theme song alongside Princess Principal's "The Other Side of the Wall". Sadly, the story was just a twisted mix between the Holy Grail War in the Fate/ series and the final portion of the Sternritter Arc in Bleach. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2017-09-12, 01:44	Link #2486
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	I don't think he'd learn, considering his history of works. Maybe he's already found his niche. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2017-09-12, 01:53	Link #2489
justpassingby Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cyberjaya, Malaysia Age: 38	People praising him in 140 words sure would make him conceited, lol. You can also use more than one post to say whatever was wrong with RC, you know. And if he brave enough to look at the sales statistic or 2ch threads which are full with anonymous that he's never heard of, he'll learn something. __________________ 一生　忘れられないよ　ずっとずっと　大事な贈り物一生　忘れられないよ　きっときっと　こいつは宝物

2017-09-12, 01:57	Link #2490
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	my problem is that this show loves Altair more than the actual audience of this show does Look at Newtype's August ranking both Selesia and Meteora are above Altair So by this show's own logic ALTAIR DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH AUDIENCE APPROVAL FOR THIS KIND OF THING TO HAPPEN

2017-09-12, 02:28	Link #2499
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	based on my own experience, viewers root for villains like Magane not Altair