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He killed his BEST FRIEND He told his little brother to kill his best friend. Later, he beat the crap out of him and then tortured him with images of his whole family being killed. What more do you have do to be considered "evil"? |
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2006-11-18, 16:27 | Link #102 | |
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There's a difference however between being evil and being uncaring. For some people, sometimes the means justify the ends. If I have to torture someone to get the information to save my country, then I (george bush) might just do that. Itachi seems of that nature. Efficient to a fault. I won't kill Asuma and Kurenai if I don't have to. Kill Kakashi because I do have to; he knows too much. I won't stay and fight ANBU members because it is too inefficient. This was a scouting mission after all. And so on... You can apply this logic to most of his actions. Why kill shisui? It was necessary for power and in the end it was worth it. Why not kill sasuke? He's not even worth killing, the little worm... Why torture him and tell him to get stronger? So that later he might be worth killing. And so on... he's a little evil, but he doesn't act of evil but out of necessity. If a lion takes over a pride, the first thing he does is kill the cubs from the last male lion leader. The lions not evil. He doesn't have anything against the cubs. Its just business. Though I do admit, killing the entire clan is quite a mystery... |
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2006-11-19, 01:27 | Link #103 |
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I don't think the question is CAN he. I'm sure he can. Sasuke's got a lot of potential. Everyone, even his own seemingly invincible brother acknowledges it. And after all, the fourth was trained by someone that he himself surpassed. But there's the crux. I don't think Orochimaru would want to train Sasuke to the point of being stronger than he currently is. Just wouldn't make sense. Sasuke didn't join Oro because of loneliness or whatever crap the rest of his minions did. He did it to get power. Once Sasuke figures he has enough, then he'll just bounce.
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2006-11-19, 07:17 | Link #104 | |
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The moment Kakashi mentioned he knew of Akatsuki, Itachi went into dead serious mode and was ready to kill the other two jounins until Gai appeared and mentined he had alerted even ANBU, of course he realised this would turn into a full fledged war more or lessand they simply left. |
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2006-11-19, 12:33 | Link #105 |
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I don't know why he cared about avoiding battle, since Akatsuki's had no qualms about attacking major villages and the like after the timeskip. They must have had some sort of policy change, to go from "someone called reinforcements, let's run like hell!" to "let's wreck whatever shit we feel like wrecking"...
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2006-11-20, 21:43 | Link #106 |
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I think the difference was that Diedra and sasori have mass attack jutsu's like the many pupets and the huge clay things. Where as ITachi and Kisame are probably more smaller scale but highly skilled battles if you get what im poorly trying to say.
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2006-11-20, 22:23 | Link #107 | |
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2006-11-21, 03:37 | Link #108 | |
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However the leader must have given them specific orders at that time not to cause too much attention, and fighting with a bunch of jounins including the anbu isn't exactly staying away from the center of attention, hence their retreat. When Hidan and Kakuzu came after 2.5 years they knew they would meet resistance since they now know the villages are aware of them, hence it was a 'destroy everything in the way, get the jinchuukri and get back' mission. |
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2006-11-26, 22:47 | Link #111 |
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Location: Indonesia, the country of multiple cultural backgrounds...visit my country guys. It's very beutiful.
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There's a difference however between being evil and being uncaring. For some people, sometimes the means justify the ends. If I have to torture someone to get the information to save my country, then I (george bush) might just do that. Itachi seems of that nature. Efficient to a fault. I won't kill Asuma and Kurenai if I don't have to. Kill Kakashi because I do have to; he knows too much. I won't stay and fight ANBU members because it is too inefficient. This was a scouting mission after all. And so on... You can apply this logic to most of his actions. Why kill shisui? It was necessary for power and in the end it was worth it. Why not kill sasuke? He's not even worth killing, the little worm... Why torture him and tell him to get stronger? So that later he might be worth killing. And so on... he's a little evil, but he doesn't act of evil but out of necessity. If a lion takes over a pride, the first thing he does is kill the cubs from the last male lion leader. The lions not evil. He doesn't have anything against the cubs. Its just business.
Though I do admit, killing the entire clan is quite a mystery...[/QUOTE] I completley agree...Itachi isn't killing to spend time or having fun. All the thing he's done until now holds great meaning and moreover plays a great role throughout the whole story. Itachi turned to the darkside ( as many would claim ) after he became anbu. Who knows what he's experinced, seen, or...ENCOUNTER. If what Itachi said to Sasuke after the massacre is true, " Grow stronger and succumb to hatred...if you are capable of mastering the MS than there will be three people capable of using that dojustu..." that there is a third Uchiha apart Sasuke and Itachi ( in this case it was clear that he wasn't referring to Kakashi ) still alive and capable of using the Mangekyoushi Sharingan, then i'm pretty sure that this 3rd plays a role in Itachi's transformation. Moreover, Itachi was talking about the Uchiha's dark history cursed fate. Something " inside Uchiha " drove him to slay the entire clan. THere could be two reasons why he spared Sasuke: 1st: Because he believes that someday Sasuke will become stronger. Itachi needs Sasuke to become his opponent in a contest of power. Itachi sees intermeddiate potentials in Sasuke and then decides that he'll have Sasuke as a sparring partner hehehehe 2nd: He tortured, mocked, and spared Sasuke so that Sasu would have a motivation to become stronger and hence forth survive in the harsh world of shinobi's. Sometimes hatred could provide us with a great will to live. In this case, Itachi really does care for Sasuke. He wants Sasuke to survive. Last edited by Neji_Hyuuga; 2006-11-26 at 23:03. |
2006-11-26, 23:14 | Link #112 | |
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Naruto and Sasuke's experience is never the less the same...THE BOTH OF THEM LIVED THEIR LIVES ALONE!!!!!! But the determination to become good or evil lies within each personality. Naruto chose his village and Sasuke chose his quest for revenge. Sauke chose the short path to Orochimaru to gain power, actually that's ok to me. But do you really believe that by doing so he won't get owned by Itachi in their next encounter???? Even Oro fears Itachi. How could Oro make Sasuke stronger when he alone isn't capable of let's say defeating Itachi by himself? That's pretty odd isn't it? Itachi was Oro's first choice and Sasuke was actually the alternative Inspite of all the debates i actually like Sasuke. He's the perfect soulmate for Naruto. He's just a little screwed lately I'm sure they'll get back together... |
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2006-11-28, 21:44 | Link #115 |
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How can Sasuke become stronger than Itachi if his trainer is weaker than itachi?
Orochimaru's probably skilled enough that with Sasuke's body he can bridge the gap between the two. Possibly becoming even stronger than Itachi. The Sharingan is the perfect tool for Orochimaru's ultimate goal of mastering every known justu (except bloodline limits). That's why he wants Sasuke's Sharingan instead of Neji's which are supposed to be stronger. In Oro's hands, the sharingan is more useful.
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2006-11-29, 13:27 | Link #118 | |
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Just an example: How can (super) talents (at young age 16,17 already) suddenly become pro? While their trainers cant compare with them (otherwise they'd be pro!) Just own training, determination and selfdisicipline. The drive to push yourself beyond your limits everytime. A person like Orochimaru can make Sasuke extremely powerfull. He is very experienced...Itachi cant compare himself to the Sannin in that field. Orochimaru is also a jutsu freak so he knows tons of jutsu's which Sasuke can use against his own brother.
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2006-11-29, 20:09 | Link #119 | |
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Sharingan. Something Oro lacks, Sasuke not. No matter how great his other ninja skills (which are in fact much greater than Itachi's, unlike Sasuke's), he can't overcome MS, as confirmed by Itachi himself. Oh and, according to your weird ass theory, a student will never be able to surpass its master. That means every generation, ninja villages grow weaker and weaker because the masters will always stay stronger than the students. |
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2006-11-29, 21:44 | Link #120 | |
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