2006-12-05, 12:21 | Link #1 |
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[Manga] Itachi, the TRUE story, or is it?
Here's a theory, nothing I really believe in, just something that came to me and thought I would put it down maybe some one or some fan out there can find some truth in it.
Ok, firstly Itachi always seemed to love his brother, seriously now. The way he treated him, he would always look after him he would even go as far as putting down ANBU missions to go support his little brother. We know that the way Itachi’s father saw him, Sasuke was jealous of this, but it was pretty obvious Itachi didn’t like this, because Itachi did not want his father to see the same thing in Sasuke he saw in him and turn Sasuke in to one of his little soldiers (for the clan). His father would always tell Itachi he was the backbone of the Uchiha Clan and some day he would take it over. Maybe Itachi didn’t want this, maybe he felt the clan was holding him back, or that the clan could do so much bigger things with what they have yet they choose to do this line of work. Itachi knew, him being the oldest son this burden would be pushed upon him wither he liked it or not. Well I guess what I’m getting at is, he didn’t want Sasuke to carry this burden, so even though he hated it, he was doing it for his brother. Notice how Itachi would always turn down Sasuke’s request’s to teach him simple Kunai throwing technique’s and how he would always support Sasuke’s freedom of choice, unlike his dad. Ok now hear me out, before you start booing me and throwing tomato’s *ducks as one fly’s by his head* T_T. What if, Itachi never killed his clan? What if it was the 3rd Unknown MS user that Itachi mentioned, what if Itachi arrived home to see his Mom and Dad, dead after completing an ANBU mission? (He WAS wearing the ANBU uniform after all) I know what your thinking, but Itachi killed Shisui Uchiha to gain the MS. Did he? How many of you here believe you need to kill your best friend to gain the MS? Now can you answer me how Kakashi gained the MS then? Here’s how It is, “Killing your best friend” is something Itachi said to Sasuke, remember how young Sasuke was, gaining the MS means you have to surpass some sort kind of mental barrier, so Itachi could have said to Sasuke you must kill your best friend, because he felt Sasuke was too young to understand the complexity of overcoming some sort of mental barrier, the brat took it literally and tried to kill Naruto. Basically what I’m saying is, this is why Kakashi has the MS, and this is why Itachi has the MS because they both went beyond and surpassed that barrier, in other words Itachi never killed Shisui Uchiha his best friend, it was the 3rd Unknown MS User. Now, moving on as to why Itachi would lie to Sasuke. What if, knowing Itachi could never imagine to defeat this unknown MS user as his current self, he decided to make Sasuke his next of Kin. Just incase he went up against the 3rd MS user and died, Sasuke could take his place. Hence pumping Sasuke full of shit, saying it was him who killed his clan, because Itachi knew he had to work on him self and make him self stronger, so he had no time for Sasuke and maybe he felt the best way for Sasuke to gain power, was to have hate in his heart, the same object of revenge, the same hate that Itachi had in his heart for the 3rd MS user. Also Itachi knew if Sasuke stayed around him, he would be killed off by the 3rd MS user sooner or later, so he left to the village to train him self. All this, Sasuke will find out at Itachi’s death bed, Itachi will say something in the lines of…. Itachi: Sasuke my dear brother, now that you have defeated me… you are ready for him… *Itachi tells Sasuke everything* *Sasuke in shock, Itachi dies* Now before I end it, I’ll answer these questions you guys might have “Why would the 3rd unknown MS user kill the Uchiha Clan?” Many reasons, it could be to “Test his Capacity” it could be that he wanted to fight Itachi because after so many years finally another Uchiha has attained the MS, but he wanted Itachi to grow so, he planted the seed of Hate and Revenge in Itachi’s heart by killing off his best friend, his clan, his parents. This would explain how Itachi came up with the answer to give to Sasuke. “If this is the case, why would Itachi join Akatsuki and do the bad things he’s doing now?” Easy, to gain power, look at what Sasuke is doing for power, its no exception that Itachi can’t do the same. Any way, like I said I don’t really believe in this its just something that came to me, and I thought I should put it down, tell me what you guys think. Please don’t try to prove me wrong because as I stated I don’t really care almost the whole thing is speculations and theory’s. P.S. Thanks to Sabaku Kyu for the reference on the achievement requirement for the MS.
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2006-12-05, 12:55 | Link #4 |
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You like my idea about MS. I'm flattered. But I believe Itachi did kill his best friend to get it. My idea about MS was that there are many ways to achieve it, sort of like how Buddhists believe there are many paths to achieveing Nirvana. It's just that you have to realize some inner truth to do it. For Itachi, killing Shisui was like lifting a veil that was covering the answer so to speak. (Really philosophical for a simple shounen manga I know). I just thought of it that way because simply killing a friend for the power seems too simple.
Anyways, as to why Itachi killed his clan. Itachi was already very strong at the time he killed his clan, possibly stronger than any Uchiha ever known, but it also seems that he felt the clan (and Konoha to a lesser extent) was holding him back. There are hints in his dialouge about this. Like you said, he resented his dad for always pressuring him about the importance of the Uchiha clan. So he felt that he needed to cut those bonds and started with Shusui. The reason Itachi told Sasuke to kill Naruto is because Sasuke is similar to himself, and he believed that Sasuke killing his best friend would achieve the same effect. So yes, he did mean that literally though he might have understood the meaning behind it better. I believe his entrance into Akatsuki pushed him to finally to do the deed, but the hatred had already been there for a long time. As for Kakashi's MS. After the lengthy discussion with others, I had to resign myself to the possibilty that he simply copied it from Itachi, though I'm not yet convinced that's the case. BTW, couldn't this have gone in the already existing Itachi thread? Or did you really want to make sure people read it? |
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Yea, I mainly posted it for all the fans out there who think Itachi is a good guy to give them some type of hope. Copying the MS using Sharingan..? That’s pretty hard to believe, also the reason I didn’t post this in the existing Itachi thread, because that thread seems to focus more on, his Jutsu's, his genius. Not who he is, what kind of person he is, is he good or is he bad, also I felt this post was really long so it needed a thread of its own as to those who wanted to discuss Itachi's the man not Itachi the ninja lol. Also cause this is the first thread I have ever created since I joined AS.
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2006-12-05, 13:25 | Link #6 | |
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I like the bolded, it is well thought out and i think is very plausible (and it has been a bit of my opinion as well). Itatchi's nature doesn't seem to be violent or malevolent. I think his character could become good if there is a serious twist in the plot. Your twist however, seems roughly hashed out, like you really want this theory to work. Perhaps something happend to him, or is controlling him in some way *shrug*. In all honesty, just the bolded persuades me since it is the feeling you get in Sasuke's backstory, the rest is a bit shaky. One thing is for sure, i believe we can only take Itatchi telling Sasuke "he must kill his best friend" for the MS loosely. He is not a stable character, and is twisting Sasuke's mind constantly. It would be plausible he told Sasuke that to mold him into what Itatchi is now, but certainly he is manipulating Sasuke in a bad way. |
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2006-12-05, 13:57 | Link #9 |
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-Nice theory there 0Taku0. I applaud your creative thinking. I haven't seen a more plausible theory about Naruto since I saw this http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=106576. Yeah apparently narutofan.com has a few members that are not insane.
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Lol not that killed the Uchiha clan to prevent Sasuke from carrying the burden. (that’s crazy) Also I clearly stated, that the 3rd MS user killed the clan, I mean did you just hit quote then reply before reading the whole thing and started replying section by section? That’s what it seems like to me. Quote:
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Itachi didn't decide to become the backbone, he became the backbone because he was the first son, the heir of the Uchiha Clan, not Sasuke. This is why Fugaku spent most of his time with Itachi and not Sasuke. Sasuke had all the liberty he could have unlike his brother. And you are forgeting a very important part, while Itachi pretended to play the nice brother, he was already putting Sasuke a huge burden. Sasuke lived in Itachi's shadows all his life, and this pissed Sasuke off, reason that Itachi knew Sasuke would want to become stronger in order to surpass Itachi, The Greatest Genius in History. Quote:
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2006-12-05, 14:46 | Link #13 | |
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Yes... he did it, but Itachi could have chosen to run away. In my theory it just say's he "did it because of Sasuke" meaning he decided to STAY and not run away, because he thought of his younger brother. That if Itachi ran away from the village, the burden of becoming the backbone of Uchiha Clan would be pushed upon Sasuke by his father, just like it was pushed upon him, so he stayed and accepted his fate.
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2006-12-05, 14:47 | Link #14 |
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Or... maybe Sasuke went into a fit of rage over his clan seeing him as inferior to his older brother, killed them all, and woke up in front of his brother and dead parents. Itachi, being the huggable, kind brother he is, didn't want Sasuke to feel the regret of killing the clan and replaced Sasuke's memory of what happened with the memory of already finding them dead and then finding his brother with blood-stained hands next to his parents, with some kind of memory fscking no jutsu of the MS.
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He killed his clan, ran away, and left a even bigger burden on his brother. |
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2006-12-05, 15:44 | Link #16 |
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i said before that like everybody else i heard that itachi killed his own clan from the anime, but we actually didn't see him killing them, we just saw hime standing there while his parents were already dead. Also i don't believe he killed his best friend because when the other uchihas accused him of this he was so annoyed and pissed and told them to speak more directly and he hit them all at once with no hesitation, my point is why the strongest uchiha (itachi) would lie about killing his best friend if he had already killed him and already had MS and would kill anyone standing in his face eventhough if they knew what he did, but also there is one theory that could proove my words are wrong he didn't seem sad at all after knowing his best friend was already dead and left a suicide note. Again i'm saying he didn't kill asuma, kakashi and kurenai when given the chance and he said at first that he had no intention of killing them and asuma replied that is not sth that a person like him should say cause he killed his own clan. I think Itachi is the most mysterious one till now although he appeared rarely in the anime we will never know, everyone keep guessing.Thanks
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2006-12-05, 16:08 | Link #17 | |
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Umm... if this theory is saying that Itachi did not kill his clan but someone else did, then you should realize there are a few problems. I won't go into them now because I don't have the time. |
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Itachi is not a serial killer he is just misunderstood. lol Lol i remember someone making a joke about this using the Jerry Spring ger show. It was hilarious like hell. |
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