Claymore - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[SimplyEd]

And that's exactly why i was discussing the correlation between ranking and fighting potential a few days ago...

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by Fenrir_valindri

Anyone notice that the RAWS are alot better as far as lighting is concerned, but when they get subbed everything seems to get darker, making the dark scenes pitch-black?
Kinda pains me to see the difference, makes some scenes almost unbearable.

I didn't alter anything about the brightness of the encoding raw - yet - because I really dislike artificial alterations. "The raws" aren't better, but 1/2 of the early raws definitely tweak the brightness up. You can see this in the "normal daylight" scenes, which tend to look a bit washed in these versions.

However, I agree that the brightness level on the latest encode was very borderline, almost beyond it. I'll monitor this for the upcoming episodes, and if it happens again, I'll artificially lighten up the source a bit *brr*.

[Edit:] I took some time to recheck things, and the more I look, the more I believe that the 1024x576 raw we use lately is indeed noticeably darker than most of the others. Which means that most likely it's incorrectly dark instead of most others being incorrectly light.

Thanks for the hint and feedback. I'll compensate for it next time around. While I very curiously wait for the DVDs.

[thundrakkon]

I wonder if they ever tried to make a Claymore by using Awakened One's flesh and a human girl? I wonder how that result will be?

As for this episode, I noticed Clare was completely exhausted after a little sparring. I can't imagine a Claymore that out of shape. Maybe it is due to her adapting to Teresa still, or maybe she is exerting a lot of energy to hold her powers in subconsciously?

Either way, after this arc, I bet that Clare will no longer be ranked 47. Maybe 46? j/k although if one of them died in the party, that would probably raise her rank?

[Guido]

For those who have already seen episode nine whether be RAW or subbed.

Spoiler:

Was there any time skip or not between when Clare asked Rubel to have Teresa's blood and flesh infused within her body and the present timeline right now?

[cors8]

Originally Posted by Guido

For those who have already seen episode nine whether be RAW or subbed.

Spoiler:

Was there any time skip or not between when Clare asked Rubel to have Teresa's blood and flesh infused within her body and the present timeline right now?

Well, this was a flashback arc so the time skip is already implied.

[Guido]

Originally Posted by cors8

Well, this was a flashback arc so the time skip is already implied.

I am theorizing no less than 5 and no more than 7 years passed after the events of the flashback arc.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Also, I wonder if they ever tried to make a Claymore by using Awakened One's flesh and a human girl? I wonder how that result will be?

Maybe what they'd get is someone like......*gasp* Teresa. Or Priscilla maybe? Both of them were far more powerful than your average warrior.

That might even partly explain how the Organisation ranks their warriors -- they estimate the power level of each new hybrid based on how powerful the deceased youma used to be.

[Kinematics]

I am theorizing no less than 5 and no more than 7 years passed after the events of the flashback arc.

Hmm.. I'd guess young Clare was around 10-12 years old, and current Clare appears to be around 18-20. We know that Clare has been active as a Claymore for a while (per her conversation with Elena), so I would toss in a random speculation that they are assigned active duties at the age of 18, and she's probably around 20 now.

That would put the total time jump around 8-10 years if my speculation is close to the reality. Drop a couple years if you figure they go on active duty at 16, considering how young Priscilla looked, though I don't know how much I'd be willing believe that.

[Archmagination2002]

Well age actually doesn't have much bearing on whether you become a Claymore or not. I think to become a Claymore you must successfully pass through some tests in the Claymore training process.. you must meet a certain level of skill, you must survive the Claymorization process(I imagine it would be quite traumatic since Clare mentions the pain side effect), you must be considered loyal to the Organization(remember Claymore's are bought as slaves and don't have a choice in becoming a Claymore) and most importantly a Claymore must die for you to become one.

There is some things I really want to spoil about Claymore's(Not major spoilers, but just some background stuff and some interesting data) but I wont yet since they won't be mentioned for at least 4 more episodes and I don't want to get into any more trouble with the mods.

[Negativedark]

Well thinking about it, the life expecentcy of a Claymore must suck. You could get killed by some Yoma that gets lucky. Or after using too much Yoma power you have to get one of your friends to kill you. Oh and Teresa Ilena, Noel and Sophia can attest what happens if your too slow killing a transforming Claymore. Also consindering how misserable their lives are, I wouldn't be surprised if theirs the occasional suicide too.

[Adam E]

Originally Posted by Negativedark

Also consindering how misserable their lives are, I wouldn't be surprised if theirs the occasional suicide too.

I doubt it. Most of the suicides probably happen while the girls are getting trained to be Claymores.

[NoSanninWa]

Originally Posted by Archmagination2002

Yeah I wonder whats going on with the modding here? So many ridiculous spoilers in these last 3 pages and I somehow got into trouble earlier here because I mention that Claymore doesn't follow the normal shounen power up clich(untapped hidden potential thing) and thats what makes Claymore so great.

Unfortunately I am not omnipresent. Posts have now been deleted and people have been penalized.

I'd like to take this moment to mention that this could have been stopped at any time if someone had used the report post button. As stated in the first post of this thread:

Originally Posted by Pellissier

Please use the Report button if you see any spoilers:

Not one single person reported those spoilers. Several members commented about the spoilers in this thread, but none of those people actually made a spoiler report. If only someone had reported these spoilers, some moderator would have descended on this thread like the wrath of god instead of waiting for me to arrive.

Please help us to help you!

[TinyRedLeaf]

Originally Posted by Negativedark

Well thinking about it, the life expecentcy of a Claymore must suck.

Their life expectancy certainly seems very short, doesn't it? Doesn't help that the Organisation passes out poor intel to its task forces as well. Poor Miria, you know you're doomed when you're facing an Awakened Male with an underpowered team.

But you know what? It's refreshing to find an anime/manga series whose heros are not supersaiyanly indestructible. The warriors' short life expectancy serves to highlight the brutality of the world they live in.

[chrry370]

I particularly enjoyed the beginning of the episode where Clare demands Rubel? to put Teresa's flesh and blood in her own... This was a good move from Madhouse, reminding us of the tragic death from last episode!

How can Clare be the lowest ranked claymore? That was a shock...i was actually expecting in the 20's because of the scene where Clare took care of the 4 out of 5 yoma by herself when the others arrived. The anime kind of portrayed her in a powerful light. Its a pity since she has Teresa's blood...or maybe she needs to activate it?

About the flashback scene, i was happy to see Teresa but have to admit it was pretty dodgy...Teresa teaching Clare some lessons? lol...at least Teresa is still living in Clare's heart!

Cant say much about the voice...its perfect for the respective characters! The sparring scene was great...alot of 'clear' action..i do hope Clare will play a part in rescue of those bullies! lol...Teresa within Clare will show them!

And does anyone know if this is a three part arc?

[dutchman]

Originally Posted by chrry370

And does anyone know if this is a three part arc?

Spoiler for how many eps this arc is:

According to ANN its indeed a 3 part arc.

[Fenrir_valindri]

My opinion on Helen and Deneve being arrogant is more along the lines of Helen actually not wanting Clare to get herself killed, she did say such lines as "it's like we're bringing her along to die" and they do have reason to complain about Clare's ranking, misinformation or not, having someone ranked 47 on an awakened hunt seems crazy when you consider people in the low 30's are not often considered.

Besides conflict between characters is always a good way to get the story moving along

[Edit:] Glad I could help Mentar, I actually noticed back during episode 3-4, but decided to keep my mouth shut at the time, kinda wish I spoke up earlier now

[silix]

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

Unfortunately I am not omnipresent. <>

Please help us to help you!

you have all my comprehension - being one on a HW forum, i understand moderating can be such a hard job sometimes...

[silix]

Originally Posted by chrry370

I particularly enjoyed the beginning of the episode where Clare demands Rubel? to put Teresa's flesh and blood in her own... This was a good move from Madhouse, reminding us of the tragic death from last episode!

that , and the moment Rubel tells her what the term "Voracious Eater" truly stands for, with Clare's surprised reacting (which could mean she suddenly realized what could have happened of her in Toriro, and her reckless way of acting ) a detail , if i'm not mistaken, absent or not so clear in the manga...
and that expression on little Clare's face when running through the town to reach the man fron the Organization...

it's also little details like this that make me appreciate the anime version as much as the manga, possibly more ...

How can Clare be the lowest ranked claymore? That was a shock...i was actually expecting in the 20's because of the scene where Clare took care of the 4 out of 5 yoma by herself when the others arrived. The anime kind of portrayed her in a powerful light.

actually, Clare must have improved from the first episodes ( if she can now kill 4 yomas without a fuss, maybe she'd be able to deal with a single stronger one, like the one in the Cathedral, the same way - maybe she'd resolve quicklier and with fewer wounds...)
But considering how the ranking system is carried on, i guess improvements in the way of conducting ordinary yoma - hunting jobs do not automatically reflect in ascending the ranking
Other warriors may improve too, and if they do not, the ranking may equally not change until they measure their respective skills by dueling or estimating yoki level or... but this needs warriors meeting in front of each other, and we are told this is a rare case for 47 warriors who are assigned a (vast) zone each, and are gathered together in special cases like hunts for awakened beings ( that otoh dont usually involve lower ranked claymores)
Thus, i believe the organization sets their initial rank right after the training period, then leaves it to the warriors themselves assuming their pride and motivation will lead them to try to ascend the ladder - this way the whole ranking could be not so significant at all in the case of a character like Clare ( who has a different motivation for being a Claymore than anyone else...), nor indicative or her abilities and power...

Its a pity since she has Teresa's blood...or maybe she needs to activate it?

i think the dream Clare has of Teresa after sparring with Miria, actually is that activation (or the beginning of it)

About the flashback scene, i was happy to see Teresa but have to admit it was pretty dodgy...

i think it fits well... recalling their first encounter helps the viewer recollect what Clare and Teresa went through in those intense episodes, imho

Teresa teaching Clare some lessons? lol...at least Teresa is still living in Clare's heart!

depends on the actual implant spot (if it's by implant that claymores are made) but... almost literally

Cant say much about the voice...its perfect for the respective characters! The sparring scene was great...

yeah, loved Miria in that scene

both when she was fighting, and when saying she felt as if the strongest of all was standing in front of her - that was a genuine impression of an experienced claymore, not conditioned by an abstract number: looks like she's bothered by Clare's rank because she has had a glimpse of her true potential and at the same time suspects there may be reasons for her not having a lower number ...

hope i havent exceeded in my conjuctures just now

[zephyrmiasma]

my thoughts on the men in black is that, he is also a claymore but he can't release any of his youma powers because he would turn into a awaken being.
since we know that he supervises on every era of claymores, it would also make him one of the very early male claymore experiments.

- explains why he would wear glasses to hide his silver eye color?
- explains why he is immortal?
- explains why they stopped making male claymores...
- explains why they only use females for thier organisation...

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

like the wrath of god

and im still feeling the after burns...ouch ouch stupid brain lagg >_<

Originally Posted by zephyrmiasma

my thoughts on the men in black is that, he is also a claymore but he can't release any of his youma powers because he would turn into a awaken being.
since we know that he supervises on every era of claymores, it would also make him one of the very early male claymore experiments.

- explains why he would wear glasses to hide his silver eye color?
- explains why he is immortal?
- explains why they stopped making male claymores...
- explains why they only use females for thier organisation...

since when did they have silver eyes and are immortal? imo the guys in black get replaced after each respective generations of claymore...

and only time will tell us the answers for the last 2 questions