(L) Date A Live [Light Novel]

[Marly]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

I think it has to be an affection greater than that shared between good friends or family. If only a "friend" level amount of affection is required, a lot of problem and embarrassment can be avoided. In addition, Shidou's relationship with sealed spirits so far usually start off in the "friend" zone by default: as the first human to really try to communicate and understand their trouble.

If your definition of a 'friend' is just a guy starting a conversation with you while you were alone during recess, then I don't know what to tell you. I certainly don't think talking to some friendless guy would make me their 'friend.' I'm just some random guy who decided to talk to that friendless guy. Your point regarding this makes no logical sense at all to me.

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

One of the reason, imo, of why Shidou's relationship with the heroines are in a stalemate (or rather, barely progressed at all, I guess I choice a terrible word) is because of the "new heroine of the volume" format.

It's a gradual progression- I'd prefer slower, but certain character development than some half-assed rushed character development that comes out of nowhere.

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

Thus the "main couple" seat in my eyes is still up for grab. I will not be surprised if Shidou becomes romantically attached to a 3rd person, but tries to maintain a partner (in spirit capture) relationship with Tohka (this I explained in an earlier post why I thought would make things interesting).

I honestly don't see this happening. At all. Not only would that be a bad writing since Shidou doesn't have any reason to be romantically attached to anyone else other than Tohka/Origami at this point in the series, but it would just completely trivialize all the moments he shared with those characters.

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

I think the root of the recent discussion on this page lies in how we define terms such as "love" (ie: fall in love can simply be "become good friends" for some)/symbol of the date and kiss (ie: does the spirit need romantic feelings towards Shidou for the sealing to work?), what is comedy and what is not.

I know perfectly what is comedy and what is not- Some people are just claiming that the ratio of comedy completely outweighs that of serious plot for some reason. Like, claiming half of Yoshino/Kurumi's arc being 'comedic' moments involving the arc characters is just objectively incorrect.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by Marly

So you're now saying this is a comedy because the method in which the protagonist utilizes to save people/Spirits from suffering/dying is different from a typical shounen? Are you joking? A show like Hataraku Maou-sama is obviously comedy- There is certainly a serious issue at hand, but the main plot revolves around Maou having to live with his underling while enduring wacky everyday life events, not him having to save people from certain death. Don't bring up Strawman. And I also don't see how just because some "Japanesee" sites listed something as romcom necessarily constitutes the show as romcom. It's just about as accurate as Funimation labeling this show as 'romcom.'



I don't think you're reading half the posts you're making. Just earlier you said I was overblowing the conflict and that it was her massacring the AST, and now you're conceding to my point that she wasn't the one attacking. No, seriously- You're being quite incomprehensible.

I mean, look at your own post here:

Spoiler:

I personally thought in the second volume, Yoshino constantly being chased by AST and her showing how detached she was from the society was COMEDIC. In fact, I also loved the part when she lost her doll and went out of control due to the psychological torment she was having because she didn't have something to channel her split personality to cheer herself up with. Tohka destroying the ground was pretty hilarious too because that accidental kissing scene of Shidou and Yoshino was just so wacky! Silly Tohka. I also loved the part Kurumi killed those kids, and those delinquents, and... No, seriously. I don't think you've read the light novels. At all. In fact, I won't be surprised if you were one of those people that just look at the pretty pictures, read the brief summaries and called it a day.

Ok now I know youre trolling and this will be my last post, acknowing you. by the way one of those "Japanesee" sites listed it as a romcom was the publishers site. I think they have a fairly good idea what the series is.

[Marly]

Originally Posted by kagato3

Ok now I know youre trolling and this will be my last post. by the way one of those "Japanesee" sites listed it as a romcom was the publishers site. I think they have a fairly good idea what the series is.

So you were unable to make a single viable point and/or rebuttal other than "Because this site says so or because this someone says so" and accuse me of being a troll? Quite rude. But nonetheless, concession accepted.

[Flying Dagger]

Originally Posted by Marly

If your definition of a 'friend' is just a guy starting a conversation with you while you were alone during recess, then I don't know what to tell you. I certainly don't think talking to some friendless guy would make me their 'friend.' I'm just some random guy who decided to talk to that friendless guy. Your point regarding this makes no logical sense at all to me.

Remember the spirits are not just this friendless guy during recess. Tohka and Yoshino have been there and lonely for a while and know of nothing but humans who take aggressive actions towards them.

I guess to be more exact, I see it more like this (with Tohka and Yoshino - and to a certain extend, Yamai sisters, the other spirits have very unique cases):
First meeting with Shidou: non-aggressive human. Neutral zone.
Additional meeting with Shidou: Shidou reaches out to them. They accept him and friendship is established.
Date+Conquest: Shidou gains more affection from the spirit. Spirit begins to develop romantic feelings towards Shidou.


I am not going to force my definitely of "friend" onto anyone. As such I also do not think questioning other people's definition makes good argument.

Originally Posted by Marly

I honestly don't see this happening. At all. Not only would that be a bad writing since Shidou doesn't have any reason to be romantically attached to anyone else other than Tohka/Origami at this point in the series, but it would just completely trivialize all the moments he shared with those characters.

As of end of vol5 I do not see a reason for Shidou to be attached to Tohka or Origami either (with reasons stated in recent posts). Shidou does not have show any romantic reaction towards Origami's aggressive advances, and from my point of view his compliant over Tohka's desires is based on not wanting her emotion to go wild which lead to a backflow of spirit power.

Originally Posted by Marly

I know perfectly what is comedy and what is not- Some people are just claiming that the ratio of comedy completely outweighs that of serious plot for some reason. Like, claiming half of Yoshino/Kurumi's arc being 'comedic' moments involving the arc characters is just objectively incorrect.

What is comedic to you may not be so for others, and vice versa. Everyone are entitled to their own opinion.

Fortunately the LN seem to contain enough comedy to "have something for everyone".

[kazzuya13]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

Remember the spirits are not just this friendless guy during recess. Tohka and Yoshino have been there and lonely for a while and know of nothing but humans who take aggressive actions towards them.

I guess to be more exact, I see it more like this (with Tohka and Yoshino - and to a certain extend, Yamai sisters, the other spirits have very unique cases):
First meeting with Shidou: non-aggressive human. Neutral zone.
Additional meeting with Shidou: Shidou reaches out to them. They accept him and friendship is established.
Date+Conquest: Shidou gains more affection from the spirit. Spirit begins to develop romantic feelings towards Shidou.


I am not going to force my definitely of "friend" onto anyone. As such I also do not think questioning other people's definition makes good argument.




As of end of vol5 I do not see a reason for Shidou to be attached to Tohka or Origami either (with reasons stated in recent posts). Shidou does not have show any romantic reaction towards Origami's aggressive advances, and from my point of view his compliant over Tohka's desires is based on not wanting her emotion to go wild which lead to a backflow of spirit power.



What is comedic to you may not be so for others, and vice versa. Everyone are entitled to their own opinion.

Fortunately the LN seem to contain enough comedy to "have something for everyone".

The only ones who can truly state what genre a literature truly is are the author and the label they get publish.

[Marly]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

Remember the spirits are not just this friendless guy during recess. Tohka and Yoshino have been there and lonely for a while and know of nothing but humans who take aggressive actions towards them.

You're right. It's actually worse. I don't know how your social psychology exactly operates, but someone who is normally distrusting of others and cautious wouldn't consider someone else who reaches out to them all of the sudden and being "non-aggressive" as exactly neutral or friendly, at all. In fact, that would be even more scummy, depending on the situation.

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

As of end of vol5 I do not see a reason for Shidou to be attached to Tohka or Origami either (with reasons stated in recent posts). Shidou does not have show any romantic reaction towards Origami's aggressive advances, and from my point of view his compliant over Tohka's desires is based on not wanting her emotion to go wild which lead to a backflow of spirit power.

I think you missed the part Shidou has promised Tohka that he will save all the Spirits that were like her and how she helps him pursue that goal actively. The fact that she was the first Spirit ever that Shidou managed to help and that she's an active partner shows that she is definitely more significant to Shidou than what your "point of view" makes her out to be.

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

What is comedic to you may not be so for others, and vice versa. Everyone are entitled to their own opinion. Fortunately the LN seem to contain enough comedy to "have something for everyone".

You say that, yet I haven't seen anything that constituted as comedy at all that apparently occupy half of the arc involving the central arc character.


That being said, I'm done with this argument for now- It's obviously going nowhere, and it really doesn't matter what it's labeled as in the end. I already made my point, and I doubt I'll be convinced otherwise anytime soon. Besides, I'd rather discuss about something else like the actual plot(tm) than discussing about the literary structure of this series.

[rvlast]

Well, gg me.

Just preordered the game for the PS3 (and on a side note, the Neptunia PP as well).

I hate Compile Heart now, they take my money T_T

[Ultragunner]

This may be off-topic but after watching the anime, I surfed through FB a bit and realized that Kurumi has quite a number of fans. I dare say she could stand toe-to-toe with Tohka, Though I doubt many of them actually read the LN,

However, what surprises me the most is that they know Kurumi is a psycho, . Well, can't blame them, I'm her fan as well LOL

[Shinhwa]

Kurumi is an awesome Yandere character lol

[kazzuya13]

For most parts Yandere is already greater than Tsundere cause many on have already grown tired of Tsundere characters.

[Shinhwa]

I think Tsundere is overused, but it can't be helped as it is one of the characteristics of a character in every anime/manga/novel series >_<

Yandere is awesome 8D

[malason13]

Yandere's are the new in..

[Algester]

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

This may be off-topic but after watching the anime, I surfed through FB a bit and realized that Kurumi has quite a number of fans. I dare say she could stand toe-to-toe with Tohka, Though I doubt many of them actually read the LN,

However, what surprises me the most is that they know Kurumi is a psycho, . Well, can't blame them, I'm her fan as well LOL

I showed Kurumi's picture to some of my contacts they liked her instantlly... and I havent added the psycho bitch for hire part... made me assume her character design alone is powerful enough... must be fetish... hmmm... I think she is a fetish attendant...

[Miraluka]

People just like yanderes, and even more when they are balanced.

[Flying Dagger]

I think my liking towards Kurumi originate from beyond the Yandere caste.

Her introduction was epic and it rivals Origami's boldness, so she scored quite a few points off the bat.

As I progress with the story, Kurumi strikes me as a character with more depth than the rest of the cast in DAL. She is on a mission and is willing to sacrifice a lot for it. In a way she lives up to the "berserk" in her name than the Yamai sisters who people refer to as berserkers. She seem to possess high degrees of intelligence to be really calculating as well.

She also displayed a moment of cruel kindness: how she chose to "eat" the delinquents torturing the kitten, so maybe her victims aren't necessary clean either. (Sure, she threatened to kill the whole school but everyone came out "alive"). After that scene I wondered why she truly allowed "herself" to be killed by Mana repeatedly: is she really just toying with her, or is it Kurumi's way to show kindness towards Mana?

I also really like her design: a time-travelling gunner in a gothic dress.

[Marly]

I don't think you people know what "yandere" exactly means.

Yangire would be the actual accurate term.

[Scarletknive]

Originally Posted by Shinhwa

I think Tsundere is overused, but it can't be helped as it is one of the characteristics of a character in every anime/manga/novel series >_<

Yandere is awesome 8D

I dont think is the overusage of Tsundere, I think is the stress used on it.(Tsundere is popular, but overusing it is not popular.) Also, I do agree to some people here about Kurumi.

I believe this video goes here too?

Spoiler for Game:

Originally Posted by rvlast

Well, gg me.

Just preordered the game for the PS3 (and on a side note, the Neptunia PP as well).

I hate Compile Heart now, they take my money T_T

I also want preorder, but then, I think I will blow a hole in my pocket if I buy... (Wanted 3 games, 2 on Vita and this one.)

[rvlast]

Originally Posted by Scarletknive

I dont think is the overusage of Tsundere, I think is the stress used on it.(Tsundere is popular, but overusing it is not popular.) Also, I do agree to some people here about Kurumi.

I believe this video goes here too?

Spoiler for Game:

I also want preorder, but then, I think I will blow a hole in my pocket if I buy... (Wanted 3 games, 2 on Vita and this one.)

Plutia/Iris Heart is Rinne?

Spoiler:

Dominatrix ending when?

[RapidPotential]

Originally Posted by Marly

I don't think you people know what "yandere" exactly means.

Yangire would be the actual accurate term.

This. She hasn't shown any signs of dere apart from flirting with Shidou, but it's not any actual romantic attachment.

[kazzuya13]

I think by appearance alone Kurumi has charmed many fans. She looks like a high class beauty and in her astral dress that looks like from a Goth loli fashion gives her even more appealing.