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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 19 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 55 | 43.65% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 39 | 30.95% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 22 | 17.46% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 5.56% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 0.79% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.79% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.79% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-05-18, 04:45 | Link #243 | |
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because she is his partner, (mother).... so to not do so = bastard |
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2012-05-18, 08:15 | Link #245 |
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It's very unlikely the MA would even want to save Natalia, considering she's a Magus Killer the MA barely tolerates. Relying on the MA simply wouldn't work.
And the Church would probably kill her anyway because they're unlikely to take Natalia's word for it that she avoided being stung by the bees.
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2012-05-18, 08:23 | Link #246 |
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It would probably be more productive to discuss why he did the things he did rather than discuss what Kiritsugu should have done.
Whatever the case, all the discussion his character his getting almost warrants its own thread.
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2012-05-18, 08:32 | Link #248 |
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It did not matter whether or not she could land the plane. The bees and The Dead had to be destroyed before touch down and the only way of doing that was by blowing up the plane while it was still in the air. Kiritsugu was not wrong in what he did.
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2012-05-18, 08:48 | Link #249 | ||
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And really, I'd only find him a bastard if he didn't feel remorse for what he did; his breakdown was extremely cathartic and gratifying, since it was so tragic to see him be responsible for his own mother's death, so rather than hating him, I feel extreme pity for the guy. He's basically a prisoner, a complete slave to his very own self, even as it destroys him. |
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2012-05-18, 10:26 | Link #250 | |
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2012-05-18, 10:55 | Link #251 |
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To be fair, no one is going to feel sympathetic to guy making a sacrifice if they don't think that sacrifice even needs to be made. It's just worth pointing out that the sacrifice had to be made.
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2012-05-18, 11:21 | Link #252 |
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But of course, we could be cold about this because it's fiction and it has nothing to do with us. If our own life hangs in the balance, I doubt any of us would be willing to stay pragmatic and opt for self-survival instead.
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2012-05-18, 13:07 | Link #253 | |
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Unless you meant choosing as if we were Natalia. Then I'd be fine with blowing up. Risking a zombie apocalypse in New York City would be crazy selfish. |
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2012-05-18, 15:06 | Link #256 | |
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Not to mention Air France Flight 447, they recovered the CVR and black boxes from the middle of the Atlantic.
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2012-05-18, 17:08 | Link #258 | |
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2012-05-18, 17:44 | Link #259 |
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Black box would indeed be worthless as surface examination of the aircraft would have tell-tale signs of shootdown(assuming an FIM-92 Stinger hit the center wing tank, otherwise it would only cripple the jet), but the MA would be shitting their pants if the NTSB got their hands on the CVR. I only spoke about the black boxes to say those things are recoverable from deep beneath the ocean.
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2012-05-18, 18:44 | Link #260 | |
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And this is what I was talking about. We can be calm and discuss about it and claim about things like this, but pardon me if I think all this is really ephemeral and a party of masks, and that basic survival instinct would take over before any kind of ideology. One should not feel ashamed for wanting to live though. Your own life comes first, then those close to you, then everyone else at the very end of the list. It is very human to think that way. One might call you selfish for wanting to be a sole survivor of an accident that dragged more life, but so could those who'd rather have that one life extinguished instead of theirs.
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