2008-05-23, 11:41 | Link #241 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: So Cal
|
I've been watching the episodes, but I haven't been terribly interested in this series until episode 6. I felt the capers with the 20-Faces gang were a little contrived and silly and I dislike action animes with idealistic pacifism. Luckily the series seems to be taking a turn towards another direction now. Will stick with it to see where it goes for a few more episodes at least.
|
2008-05-23, 13:36 | Link #242 |
Honyaku no Hime
Fansubber
Join Date: May 2008
Location: In the eastern capital of the islands of the rising suns...
|
.... WTF WAS EP 6 ABOUT!?! Japanese producer: What shall we do for this ep, do you think? Japanese writers: ZENMETSU SHIYOU! (ofc if this was already drawn in a manga, then it wouldn't be such a shock to manga readers) but that was just... just.... TTGL ep 8 times 5 worse? i'm kinda shaken, I'll admit, the series was 'okay' for me in the last 5 eps and something had to go wrong eventually, (it being japan after all), but that was just... too much... Well, here's figuring it's all up to chiko now....
__________________
Last edited by Mystique; 2008-05-23 at 13:48. |
2008-05-23, 14:08 | Link #243 |
Yuuki Aoi
Join Date: Jul 2004
|
Yes, Mystique, the slaughter is in the manga, although with some differences. I suspect this chapter was probably one of the first things the mangaka thought of when he came up with the idea for the story.
As you say, it wasn't as much of a shock to me because I had read the manga. But I actually envy the people who didn't know what was coming, so they could get a fuller impact. Like Sinestra, I didn't feel as much as I thought I should have. Perhaps that's not just because of having read it before, but also because there is something about this show that keeps one a bit distant. I find that with the manga, too, somehow. But I'm not complaining. Unlike Oxtail, I have nothing against the combination of adventure with "idealistic pacifism." Although in this case, I think the pacifism is more realistic than idealistic. This is the kind of pacifism that was how Japanese people thought after the war: the feeling of "if war brought us these horrors, then let's have peace." I don't see any contradiction between NJM's aversion to killing people and his willingness to kill bad guys when necessary. He went through the war, after all. This is realistic pacifism. And nadare, I can't help being constantly aware that Aya is voicing Chiko, since that's why I started watching this show, but it's good to hear that it's possible to forget. I think this is the real Aya -- Aya given freeedom to present a serious character as she wants. I hope to hear a lot more of her in this mode. She did say in her blog that Chiko would be something people hadn't heard from her before, but it still reminds me somewhat of Layla in NANA. Which is a good thing. Ep7 is broadcast in 22 hours. I know what's likely to be in this episode and I'm really looking forward to it.
__________________
Last edited by Kaoru Chujo; 2008-05-23 at 14:24. |
2008-05-23, 14:14 | Link #244 |
Anime Hobbyist
Join Date: Dec 2004
|
Speaking of pacifism, it's not like Twenty Face's gang is moving entire nations towards pacifism. Now THAT would be unrealistic. It's more like they're doing Robin Hood ventures protecting national treasures everywhere if it means taking it off influential powers and those who'd abuse them.
|
2008-05-23, 16:22 | Link #245 |
AS Oji-kun
Join Date: Nov 2006
Age: 74
|
I found episode six shocking mostly because it seemed out of character with the more lighthearted story that had been presented so far.
Watching this episode made me think about episode four of Allison to Lillia. One might have watched the first few episodes of both shows thinking they were written for a family audience. True, Nijuu Mensou's tale of familial poisoning is no doubt much darker, but that story is quickly put aside once Chiko joins her new "father" for some jolly adventures. After Chiko is surrounded by corpses and left on her own to survive, you realize this isn't really a family adventure any more. Compare that to the resolution of the first story thread in Allison to Lillia. Like Kaoru Chujo, I'm willing to accept the unrealistic scenes to see where the story is going. Of course the fight on top of the train was unrealistic; this is still a fantasy adventure after all. (If we're going to quibble about realism, how come the authorities don't have airplanes that can shoot down a dirigible?) I also shared Slice of Life's concerns about how the convenient ending to episode five quickly removed any issue of Chiko's ethics from the table. I would frankly have preferred to see her deal more directly with her exploitation of Angie, but I'm guessing we'll see Angie become Chiko's similarly-aged antagonist down the stretch. Despite these qualms, I'm pretty committed to watching the rest of Nijuu Mensou now, but I doubt Chiko will displace Shion from the top spot in my list of favorite young heroines. I strongly doubt that anyone whom we didn't see die from multiple bullet wounds is actually among the dearly, or not-so-dearly, departed. I count at least Angie, Nijuu Mensou, Ken, and Tiger (and the detective, of course) in that list.
__________________
Last edited by SeijiSensei; 2009-06-17 at 22:50. Reason: spelling |
2008-05-23, 17:25 | Link #246 |
Mmmm....
Join Date: Sep 2006
|
Well, that was unexpectedly tragic...
I don't really think 20faces is dead, probably just used the occasion to slip away into the shadows, possibly connected with the documents from the mayor. Also, Ken is in the credits wearing an eyepatch, so I'd guess he's in hiding on the train. If I'd not been hooked on this series already, this episode would have done it. I look forward to seeing how the story continues! |
2008-05-23, 19:22 | Link #247 | |
Yuuki Aoi
Join Date: Jul 2004
|
Quote:
By the way, I thought Mizusawa Fumie was good as the voice of Angie. She was Juliet in RomeoxJuliet and Wapourif in Simoun. I hate the comparison with Allison to Lillia, since I find that show quite poor (although still watchable). Fortunately, though, it was quite a bit more coherent and entertaining in the last two episodes, as you indicate. This show seems a lot more harrowing than that -- especially in the first and sixth episodes, of course, but even the jolly heists were not without their mortal dangers. I find listening to Mizuki Nana there and Hirano Aya here very interesting. Nana-chan is a pro seiyuu, doing a very good job simulating a type of voice. Aaya's character feels to me like a real person, making it up as she goes along, with a lot more human uncertainty. Polish versus depth, to my ear. But both are creating excellent characters.
__________________
|
|
2008-05-23, 19:57 | Link #248 | |
AS Oji-kun
Join Date: Nov 2006
Age: 74
|
Quote:
I only made the comparison because the two shows started off in vaguely similar ways, as tales of adventure with a hint of a serious story. That they've diverged so far in just a few episodes explains why I'm still watching Nijuu Mensou and stopped watching Allison to Lillia. My opinions about Angie's and Tiger's survival have as much to do with genre conventions as with the events portrayed on screen. They both just have that "villain that never dies until the final epsode" aura about them. If Tiger survived the high-speed collision with a train, he probably managed to jump from the car as the explosion took place, too.
__________________
|
|
2008-05-23, 21:01 | Link #249 | |
Beautiful fighter.
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: England, UK
Age: 37
|
Quote:
__________________
Last edited by Shiroth; 2008-05-23 at 21:13. |
|
2008-05-24, 00:33 | Link #250 | |
神聖カルル帝国の 皇帝
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Korea
Age: 37
|
Quote:
Given Tiger's reflexes, he could have easily jumped out of the way at the last second from the train crash, but in this particular situation, for Tiger to live is just..... |
|
2008-05-24, 03:59 | Link #251 | |
Beautiful fighter.
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: England, UK
Age: 37
|
Quote:
I'm talking about Angie. There's at least an 80% chance we'll see her again.
__________________
Last edited by Shiroth; 2008-05-24 at 04:29. |
|
2008-05-24, 12:23 | Link #255 |
eyewitness
Join Date: Jan 2007
|
Although Tora's death wasn't shown the scene didn't cry 'loophole' to me. As opposed to that of Angie and Twenty Faces. As far as Angie is concerned I wouldn't even go as far as to describe her disappearance as apparent death at all.
So I guess Angie will return rather sooner than later. But for symmetry reasons I assume Twenty Faces will stay 'dead' until the finale maybe. Except if I was wrong about Tora. TF might return earlier than it seems of course; you should look at any new reoccurring male character with suspicion from now on. Same goes for females that don't get an onsen scene. I'm still watching both Allison and Lilia and DTF and I have no intention to drop one. Although while I think that DTF is the better show I like A+L more. My problems with DTF are still the same as after episode 5: When an anime wants to go down the serious path then my expectations at characters and storyline rise. If A+L was a person it would be a cute child while DTF is more like a teenager yelling at me "I'm an adult already, take me serious, dammit." The latter can beat the child on almost any field but I prefer to have the former around. I hope I'm still making any sense.
__________________
|
2008-05-24, 12:36 | Link #256 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2004
|
I really hated this episode.. Everyone being slaughtered and still they don't attack to kill.. Almost all their attacks were to disarm or hurt the enemy but not kill them.. too damn pacifist for me when your being slaughtered! Even Chiko kept trying to save the one that was trying to kill her! If they fought for real half of them might not have died but Oh No! We can't kill anyone even when they are killing us.
|
2008-05-24, 13:12 | Link #257 | |
Yuuki Aoi
Join Date: Jul 2004
|
Quote:
And Slice of Life, you make perfect sense about A+L and DTF -- even though I don't agree. I think this show is deep but ironic. More like a postmodern theorist than a yelling teen. Not that a postmodern theorist would be that congenial, lol. But as I've said before, I think what's important here are the powerful myths: being poisoned by your parents, being surrounded by hidden danger, being rescued by your hero, the princess among the thieves, having your family almost all killed, etc.
__________________
Last edited by Kaoru Chujo; 2008-05-26 at 12:06. |
|
2008-05-24, 14:42 | Link #259 | |
Yuuki Aoi
Join Date: Jul 2004
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
2008-05-24, 20:01 | Link #260 | |
Senior Member
|
Quote:
As for Chiko trying to save Angie. Its probably because she was her first friend. |
|
Tags |
bones, maturation, seinen, shounen |
|
|