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4th Dimension · 2017-09-08, 09:27

So according to this pretty official looking announcement on Web Ace Vivid will end in the December issue of Comp Ace. There is some confusion vis a vis dates because some sources cite 26th of October but that seems to be the date the pre-orders for the December issue will start.

Apparently for now, from the February issue (which is selling from 26th of December) it will be replaced by Nanoha Reflection The Comics, which will recount a "side story".

Rising Dragon · 2017-09-08, 12:53

... well at least that means it'll stop throwing curve balls at the ViVid-based fanfic I'm trying to work on. Though that's still plenty of time for it to screw something else up...

4th Dimension · 2017-09-08, 15:33

Well that kinda depends on when is it set in...

As far as I'm concerned Vivid has pulled enough changes to the setting that I kinda consider it barely cannon, and feel you can only with great difficulty do worse than TM did with the overall story.

But eh, that's me being grump on Vivid...

Rising Dragon · 2017-09-08, 23:53

It's post-Force, but it's already proven to be able to throw curveballs at my story despite that. Like Hallie. Friggin' Hallie...

4th Dimension · 2017-09-09, 05:04

What, you didn't expect her to go for the beat cop "career"?

You expected her to be the gang leader or something

Rising Dragon · 2017-09-09, 12:47

Well yes, I wasn't expecting that at all, but it did conflict with something I had planned for the fic. Salvageable, but still annoying. So I'm wondering what else it can throw at me before it concludes.

4th Dimension · 2017-09-09, 14:25

Don't know. If they mean to throw more in the direction of TSAB those would not feel off... too much. I guess the rest will be Vivio training and then the tournament leading to I think Vivio SOMEHOW wining over Nanoha. And if that happens.... well I will be powerless but it would be the last nail in the Vivid coffin for me.

marconii2002 · 2017-09-11, 09:24

And now Vivid anime second season NEVER

Rising Dragon · 2017-09-11, 12:59

Just because the manga's ending doesn't rule out the possibility of a second season of the anime. There's plenty of content for one.

4th Dimension · 2017-09-11, 17:50

Yeah, it's still the most recent of their Nanoha IPs and so probably has the most following. By now possibly a lot of the fans of Vivid are Vivid not Nanoha fans. Just like there are those who were brought into the fandom by Strike.

alex_drian · 2017-09-21, 02:55

So...She have the limiters on or not?

4th Dimension · 2017-09-21, 09:47

Dunno. But I don't see why she would be on the limiters. They were mostly if not completely removed after StrikerS I think?

alex_drian · 2017-09-21, 10:04

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Originally Posted by 4th Dimension

Dunno. But I don't see why she would be on the limiters. They were mostly if not completely removed after StrikerS I think?

Is for the latest chapters of Vivid manga.

4th Dimension · 2017-09-21, 10:09

I don't know the specifics about that. But limiter or no Nanoha shoulf have been able to trash a flightless young almost pure melee user with shitty defense.

alex_drian · 2017-09-21, 14:37

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Originally Posted by 4th Dimension

I don't know the specifics about that. But limiter or no Nanoha shoulf have been able to trash a flightless young almost pure melee user with shitty defense.

So, what is the explanation? and how Vivio recover Sacred Defender?

Rising Dragon · 2017-09-21, 17:08

... how does one recover something she never lost?

alex_drian · 2017-09-22, 00:04

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

... how does one recover something she never lost?

Oh, I thought that she lost it after Scaglietti Incident. It wasn't a kind of OP defense?

Rising Dragon · 2017-09-22, 00:34

You're thinking of the Saint's Armor, which she indeed lost when Nanoha destroyed the Relic fused to her, along with the vast majority of her mana pool. Sacred Defender is Vivio's workaround for her meager mana reserves, as a way of focusing her magical power between offensive and defensive uses, which she essentially perfected when training with Nanoha to fight Einhart in the rematch after their tournament runs came to an end. Said "perfection" is that she can switch between the two uses of Sacred Defender instantly.

alex_drian · 2017-09-22, 00:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

You're thinking of the Saint's Armor, which she indeed lost when Nanoha destroyed the Relic fused to her, along with the vast majority of her mana pool. Sacred Defender is Vivio's workaround for her meager mana reserves, as a way of focusing her magical power between offensive and defensive uses, which she essentially perfected when training with Nanoha to fight Einhart in the rematch after their tournament runs came to an end. Said "perfection" is that she can switch between the two uses of Sacred Defender instantly.

I see, welp is perfect if tanked SLB, I would like to know the explanation and the conditions of the battle, because even like a Final Boss battle seems...weird.

4th Dimension · 2017-09-22, 01:07

The problem that I have with that explanation for the Saint armor is that I don't think she needed the relic for that in StrikerS, since Quattro when tasked with retrieving her was fine with Dieci opening up with a DB level lethal strike on the transport she was on, and supposedly she would have shrugged it off. Basically she had natural defences that were part of her genetic legacy and were nod based on the relic. So I never liled that nerf. I feel you could introducing some other constraints on her, but her defense should not be weak.

Also her tanking the SLB even with the suicidal tehnique she used against Einhard is that that skill relies on stopping a blow on a point. She marshals her otherwise meager defences ALL in one spot which is the only way she can stop a strong blow.
SLB is not a point attack. It's a fuckhuge beam and as such defending a single point against it should be useless, AND not to mention that if it happens at the end of the fight it's probably being launched with a staggering amount of mana that no mage can match without mana collection spell of their own, which is why defence against an SLB not fired at the start is basically useless.

In my opinion of course. MT us likely to try to pull something out of his butt.

2017-09-08, 09:27	Link #3161
4th Dimension Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Adriatic Coast, Montenegro, Balkans	So according to this pretty official looking announcement on Web Ace Vivid will end in the December issue of Comp Ace. There is some confusion vis a vis dates because some sources cite 26th of October but that seems to be the date the pre-orders for the December issue will start. Apparently for now, from the February issue (which is selling from 26th of December) it will be replaced by Nanoha Reflection The Comics, which will recount a "side story". __________________ Join Midchilda Discord server - a Nanoha community server

2017-09-08, 12:53	Link #3162
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	... well at least that means it'll stop throwing curve balls at the ViVid-based fanfic I'm trying to work on. Though that's still plenty of time for it to screw something else up... __________________

2017-09-08, 15:33	Link #3163
4th Dimension Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Adriatic Coast, Montenegro, Balkans	Well that kinda depends on when is it set in... As far as I'm concerned Vivid has pulled enough changes to the setting that I kinda consider it barely cannon, and feel you can only with great difficulty do worse than TM did with the overall story. But eh, that's me being grump on Vivid... __________________ Join Midchilda Discord server - a Nanoha community server

2017-09-08, 23:53	Link #3164
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	It's post-Force, but it's already proven to be able to throw curveballs at my story despite that. Like Hallie. Friggin' Hallie... __________________

2017-09-09, 05:04	Link #3165
4th Dimension Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Adriatic Coast, Montenegro, Balkans	What, you didn't expect her to go for the beat cop "career"? You expected her to be the gang leader or something __________________ Join Midchilda Discord server - a Nanoha community server

2017-09-09, 12:47	Link #3166
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Well yes, I wasn't expecting that at all, but it did conflict with something I had planned for the fic. Salvageable, but still annoying. So I'm wondering what else it can throw at me before it concludes. __________________

2017-09-09, 14:25	Link #3167
4th Dimension Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Adriatic Coast, Montenegro, Balkans	Don't know. If they mean to throw more in the direction of TSAB those would not feel off... too much. I guess the rest will be Vivio training and then the tournament leading to I think Vivio SOMEHOW wining over Nanoha. And if that happens.... well I will be powerless but it would be the last nail in the Vivid coffin for me. __________________ Join Midchilda Discord server - a Nanoha community server

2017-09-11, 09:24	Link #3168
marconii2002 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008	And now Vivid anime second season NEVER

2017-09-11, 12:59	Link #3169
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Just because the manga's ending doesn't rule out the possibility of a second season of the anime. There's plenty of content for one. __________________

2017-09-11, 17:50	Link #3170
4th Dimension Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Adriatic Coast, Montenegro, Balkans	Yeah, it's still the most recent of their Nanoha IPs and so probably has the most following. By now possibly a lot of the fans of Vivid are Vivid not Nanoha fans. Just like there are those who were brought into the fandom by Strike. __________________ Join Midchilda Discord server - a Nanoha community server

2017-09-21, 02:55	Link #3171
alex_drian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015	So...She have the limiters on or not?

2017-09-21, 09:47	Link #3172
4th Dimension Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Adriatic Coast, Montenegro, Balkans	Dunno. But I don't see why she would be on the limiters. They were mostly if not completely removed after StrikerS I think? __________________ Join Midchilda Discord server - a Nanoha community server

2017-09-21, 10:09	Link #3174
4th Dimension Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Adriatic Coast, Montenegro, Balkans	I don't know the specifics about that. But limiter or no Nanoha shoulf have been able to trash a flightless young almost pure melee user with shitty defense. __________________ Join Midchilda Discord server - a Nanoha community server

2017-09-21, 17:08	Link #3176
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	... how does one recover something she never lost? __________________

2017-09-22, 00:34	Link #3178
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	You're thinking of the Saint's Armor, which she indeed lost when Nanoha destroyed the Relic fused to her, along with the vast majority of her mana pool. Sacred Defender is Vivio's workaround for her meager mana reserves, as a way of focusing her magical power between offensive and defensive uses, which she essentially perfected when training with Nanoha to fight Einhart in the rematch after their tournament runs came to an end. Said "perfection" is that she can switch between the two uses of Sacred Defender instantly. __________________

2017-09-22, 01:07	Link #3180
4th Dimension Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Adriatic Coast, Montenegro, Balkans	The problem that I have with that explanation for the Saint armor is that I don't think she needed the relic for that in StrikerS, since Quattro when tasked with retrieving her was fine with Dieci opening up with a DB level lethal strike on the transport she was on, and supposedly she would have shrugged it off. Basically she had natural defences that were part of her genetic legacy and were nod based on the relic. So I never liled that nerf. I feel you could introducing some other constraints on her, but her defense should not be weak. Also her tanking the SLB even with the suicidal tehnique she used against Einhard is that that skill relies on stopping a blow on a point. She marshals her otherwise meager defences ALL in one spot which is the only way she can stop a strong blow. SLB is not a point attack. It's a fuckhuge beam and as such defending a single point against it should be useless, AND not to mention that if it happens at the end of the fight it's probably being launched with a staggering amount of mana that no mage can match without mana collection spell of their own, which is why defence against an SLB not fired at the start is basically useless. In my opinion of course. MT us likely to try to pull something out of his butt. __________________ Join Midchilda Discord server - a Nanoha community server