[PS3/PSV] Legend of Heroes: Sen no Kiseki

[Von Himmel]

I wouldn't advise farmiing U-material in Barehard The giant birds are sometimes hard to beat with the party you have now

Also CS 1 is okay on it's own but you probably need some prior knowledge for CS 2 since it's the 'start getting real' part of CS.

I think the real issue in playing TitCS before TitS is your going miss all the added tweaks the newer games have.

Yeah, it's kind of hard back to spamming arts in SC when you're used with Craft in CS. Also FC and SC are really outdated when I realized some of the arts I usually use in later games aren't in there yet It's one of the reason why I probably want to wait for TC Evo instead of playing the original TC right now.

I... really want to buy this game's soundtrack.

The album is up on Itunes if you don't mind using the applications. Bought one from there too because I don't know where else to get digital download

[Se7enSword]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

W00t! Just when I'm complaining about a the drop rate, out of nowhere I do get a Luck quartz! It doesn't seem to improve chances to obtain U-material that much, but it's something I guess.

And man

Spoiler for Trails in the Sky to Cold Steel:

Anyone kind of went "wat" when Blueblanc just suddenly walked up to your characters and started chatting away?

Yeah, seriously. It's really good stuff so far even coming off the TitS games.



It's really not necessary. Yeah, sure you will gain even greater appreciation for callbacks, setting and various subtle plot threads, but CS still very enjoyable on it own. It's helps that while narrative is part of overarching story, CS doesn't lean on how much of you know about happened in the Liberl (or Crossbel ones for that matter) games understand it's own plot. Anyone can always go back to the older games afterward. I think the real issue in playing TitCS before TitS is your going miss all the added tweaks the newer games have.

Spoiler for Spoiler answer:

I was so shocked when he first appeared in Chapter 1 and later chatted away with the group. Go play more!

I do believe that those callbacks and picking up on those references and subtle hints about the plot are quite important

Yes, I can see that for a new player it would not matter and is a good jumping point, nonetheless i'd still recommend that they try the TitS series first. i'm not forcing anyone, just giving a recommendation!

[MeoTwister5]

Just started chapter 5. I'm almost completely sure that Rean's harem includes most if not all the girls on campus.

[Von Himmel]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Just started chapter 5. I'm almost completely sure that Rean's harem includes most if not all the girls on campus.

Lol you probably should talk more with the NPC I think only small portion of girls (excluding main characters) had shown straight affection towards him. Most of them has their own pairing or...uh, personal hobby *looking at a certain literature senpai

[Mahou]

Yes, from what I can remember it's mostly the "important" NPCs who Rean makes unconsciously fall for him .

As for playing the previous entries: Obviously, it's always better to get the whole picture and a nice aha-feeling if you notice recurring elements or subtle hints. But if you are like me and are really horrible at noticing those small meta stuff, have a memory that doesn't memorise everything equally well , you either won't notice the tidbits even if they jump in your face, or you wouldn't even know that there's something to pay attention to (in case of a complete newcomer).

Again, I'm not a good/positive example of a gamer, but I played FC, watched the ending of SC, (a bad@ss boss battle video of TitS the 3rd), played Zero + Ao in Japanese (with a bare minimum of jp. knowledge for these caliber of stories). Yet when I got Sen 1 my memory of Trails in the Sky First Chapter was really hazy, except for remembering characters, and had still a great time nontheless.

So it also depends on what someone considers a good playing experience (not to be mistaken with a full/complete experience!). I have rather low-ish expectation . So yeah, if the time, money and patience to play through every available game is there, the chronological approach is definitely recommended but I've read quite a few opinions that - at least for TitS FC - the first few chapters were really boring and enough for a reason to potentially quit before shiz has the chance to hit the fan.

[Iron Maw]

Fie is the best.







(Sorry for low quality grabs, first time using PS3's screenshot function and my TV is an SD one)

Originally Posted by Von Himmel

I wouldn't advise farmiing U-material in Barehard The giant birds are sometimes hard to beat with the party you have now

Also CS 1 is okay on it's own but you probably need some prior knowledge for CS 2 since it's the 'start getting real' part of CS.

Oh tell me about it. Those thing have way too much HP and other monster do have barely every drop because it is a rare material. -_-

Seriously Falcom grinding for this isn't fun, please don't do it again.

Yeah, it's kind of hard back to spamming arts in SC when you're used with Craft in CS. Also FC and SC are really outdated when I realized some of the arts I usually use in later games aren't in there yet It's one of the reason why I probably want to wait for TC Evo instead of playing the original TC right now.

To be fair some of Arts aren't there or usable for plot and lore reasons, like Sliver Thorn (freaking Loewe) which BTW used to be an endgame/high level spell. Hell in FC combat orbments only had six slots to start with and wasn't until tech advancements in every game starting from SC till now that we got some truly powerful stuff.

Still one of things I've come to like about this series is how technology has progress in the stories and how it is reflected in it's gameplay. I'm in Crossbell there are basically building the internet and they barely had computers two years ago (only military and Zeiss Central Factory in Liberl had access computing and data processing).

Originally Posted by Se7enSword

Spoiler for Spoiler answer:

I was so shocked when he first appeared in Chapter 1 and later chatted away with the group. Go play more!

I do believe that those callbacks and picking up on those references and subtle hints about the plot are quite important

Yes, I can see that for a new player it would not matter and is a good jumping point, nonetheless i'd still recommend that they try the TitS series first. i'm not forcing anyone, just giving a recommendation!

Oh yes I get what your saying, I'm point is exactly that in regards to CS1. CS2 is an different case however.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I probably should ask this sooner but is it worth investing in new equipment for all your character every chapter? I'm looking at like +50 increased in STR for each new gear, but it's blowing a hole in my budget each time.

I can't cover the cost just by fighting monsters.

(Not to mention buying all those Master Quartz)

[Mahou]

I think I didn't upgrade every time, so you should be fine if you have otherwise no real problems with the enemies.

Alternatively, the money method from the JP wiki may help a little. You need Eliotte in your party and it revolves simply around cooking Omelettes and selling them . It's "only" 1980 per max. quantity but fast to make as the ingredients are easily available in the respective store(s).

[Se7enSword]

@Iron Maw: Yeah, I love the world building they describe for Erebonia and why Orbal net, for example hasn't been widely accepted there yet.

Fie has such great lines later on too! I wish I snapped some of them. >_<

[Von Himmel]

Oh tell me about it. Those thing have way too much HP and other monster do have barely every drop because it is a rare material. -_-

On my 1st play I preferred to farm in ch 3. While the enemy hits hard and has tons of HP, it's easier to build CP and more of your characters have S craft by the time you get there so it's easier to kill Right now I don't farm anymore and basically only upgrades 2-3 characters weps and save the remaining material for next chapter

[MeoTwister5]

Just started Chapter 6. I'm starting to think that this game is more of a prologue of sorts and that the second game is itself the actual meat of the story. At the very least that was the impression I likewise got from what I managed to play of TiTS before my PSP broke.

[Se7enSword]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Just started Chapter 6. I'm starting to think that this game is more of a prologue of sorts and that the second game is itself the actual meat of the story. At the very least that was the impression I likewise got from what I managed to play of TiTS before my PSP broke.

Yup. CSII is a roller coaster and quite plot heavy!

[MeoTwister5]

I need some clarifications on the Bond Trophies...

Spoiler for Spoilers:

I need someone to confirm this post I saw on Gamefaqs regarding the requirements for the final dance event for each character in the epilogue. Copypasted:

Generally you have to reach a certain amount of link experience + fulfillment of one of the following:
1) Spend time with the character during the chapter 6 free-day (or in the case of Towa the chapter 5 free-day)
2) Take the character along with you to retrieve the stage clothes (the bike event)
3) Use at least 2 tickets on the character at the school festival

For Class 7 members (excluding Crow/Millium)
Link experience point above 5250
Fulfill either one of these requirements: Spent time together during chapter 6 free day, ride bike with him/her, or use 2 tickets on him/her during festival

For Crow/Millium
Link experience point above 3500
Fulfill either one of these requirements: Spent time together during chapter 6 free day, bike event, or use 2 tickets on him/her during festival

For Sara
Link experience point above 4400
Fulfill either one of these requirements: Spent time together during chapter 6 free day, or use 2 tickets on her during festival

For Towa
Link experience point above 2000
Fulfill either one of these requirements: Spent time together during chapter 5 free day, or use 2 tickets on her during festival

So from my understanding, as long as the character is basically above link level 4 they are eligible for the trophy as long as I fulfill at least 1 of the event requirements. Now taking for example:

For Chapter 6 free time events I went with:
Machias
Emma
Fie
Gaius

If for that bike event say I take Alisa, and I spend 2 tickets each for Laura, Millium and Jusis.

Does this mean that ALL of these characters are eligible for the dance event and therefore the trophy? I'm maximizing this playthrough because I won't be running NG+, and these are the characters whose events and trophies I really want.

As of the end of the chapter 6 free day I have Alisa, Emma and Fie at max level 5.

[rladls2121]

Spoiler for This title is rather sad than other previous titles:

I think there's no Olivier Lenheim appear in this.
It is all about work related to him now, even his spare time to meet with Class VII, he wasn't like when he was with Estelle and her friends.
Just compare Estelle's and Joshua's attitudes towards him to Rean.
Rean is so humble in his presence, I rather cannot bear to watch Olivier as Olivert like this.

Even in Ao no Kiseki though it was brief, that was like the last time Olivier "the wandering bard" can be himself in Crossbell rather than the made up image of Olivert the prince of Erebonia.

And he must be quite mentally damaged at the end of Sen no Kiseki II.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Just started chapter 5. I'm almost completely sure that Rean's harem includes most if not all the girls on campus.

About to finish Chapter 3.

Alisa is obviously the main heroine and love interest, but I also like the vibe I got from his interactions with Laura, Towa, Emma, and the twins.

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

In general, I think the localization team really outdone themselves here.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Lol, did Rean and Alisa share the same pair of fingerless gloves? I noticed he's wearing one on his right while she's wearing one in her left.

[Diluc]

Originally Posted by rladls2121

Spoiler for This title is rather sad than other previous titles:

I think there's no Olivier Lenheim appear in this.
It is all about work related to him now, even his spare time to meet with Class VII, he wasn't like when he was with Estelle and her friends.
Just compare Estelle's and Joshua's attitudes towards him to Rean.
Rean is so humble in his presence, I rather cannot bear to watch Olivier as Olivert like this.

Even in Ao no Kiseki though it was brief, that was like the last time Olivier "the wandering bard" can be himself in Crossbell rather than the made up image of Olivert the prince of Erebonia.

And he must be quite mentally damaged at the end of Sen no Kiseki II.

Lets hope for SnK 3 we will get Oliver and Muller on spotlight again according interview SnK next entry will cover last story for Erebonian empire, it really wasteful Oliver did not get love until now so far he just being side character in his own homeland.
Lloyd most likely as next mc for snk 3 because gaiden but it's nothing wrong to have our favorite duo to become MC again ( Yes Estelle and Joshua )

[Iron Maw]

Man, Crossbell is sure talked about a lot.

Anyway got through the midterm portion and this chapter's practical exam. BTW everything is getting so much more and more expensive. I'm starting being a Bracer since you at least got payed cash for every job you did.

At least the money trick alleviates things a bit.

Originally Posted by Von Himmel

On my 1st play I preferred to farm in ch 3. While the enemy hits hard and has tons of HP, it's easier to build CP and more of your characters have S craft by the time you get there so it's easier to kill Right now I don't farm anymore and basically only upgrades 2-3 characters weps and save the remaining material for next chapter

Well, I've got 24 U-material right now in the same chapter so I'm okay for now, I think.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

About to finish Chapter 3.

Alisa is obviously the main heroine and love interest, but I also like the vibe I got from his interactions with Laura, Towa, Emma, and the twins.



In general, I think the localization team really outdone themselves here.

Yep!

But this has basically been the standard across all the localized games so far. I expect no different from Cold Steel 2 when ti drops this year. It's really I enjoy the dialogue and cut-scenes despite being length of visual novel at times.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Lol, did Rean and Alisa share the same pair of fingerless gloves? I noticed he's wearing one on his right while she's wearing one in her left.

Are you talking about they Cold Steel 2 artwork?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Nono in this game; when they switched to their summer uniforms, you can see Rean and Alisa both wearing the same type of gloves but in opposite hands.

[Se7enSword]

I don't like Alisa :v