2007-04-17, 14:04 | Link #21 |
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Deidara is extremely smart. If it wasnt for the fact that his entire retinue of moves is based off clay ... he would officially be the deadliest ninja alive. I mean .... he can summon whatever he wants with minimal chakra cost ... make it explode when he wants ... his movement / decoy tactics are enough to definitely kill you if you come close range. Also very adept for stealth / long range jobs ... hes a beast. His weakness is midrange ... which is Sharingan range. Not good. Aside from all that, he'd be the perfect ninja to take down uchihas.
Sasori would have been better ... forcing you to keep track of 100 puppets at the same time, each of them able to kill you on contact die to poison transfer. Some dont even need contact ... tey just breathe the shizaz on you. Not even itachi could survive a serious Sasori. Ild put Kisame over Itachi as well ... for one main fact. At 1/2 his chakra ... he flooded an entire countryside. He can multiprison you in the water. He can literally just get by swamping areas and drowning everyone ... ez. Overall I dont even think Itachi is in top 5 BEST. He is deadly as fuck ... and fast as hell to boot. But most of these Akatsuki members have techniques that mean at close range ... you die. No questions asked. That is scary. |
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If you're trying to prove Itachi is weak, by all means go ahead but do you honestly think Kishi meant to have him as one of the weaker members? Last edited by Sabaku Kyu; 2007-04-17 at 15:00. |
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really, if a ninja has a way to block/dodge/destory the bombs then they can take on Deidara; it's not the easiest task, but it's not the most impossible one either... tough we didn't see the whole fight, i would wager to guess that Naruto was probably using Clones to take damage for him and kakashi was probably using kunai or shurikens to blow the the things while in mid air Quote:
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2007-04-17, 16:26 | Link #24 | |
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His ability to imprison you without contact if you are touching his water means his flood prison combo can pretty much lock down any opponent. That combo almost killed Gai's team. Thanks to neji's chakra disruption he was able to break free and save the team. Kisame is NO JOKE. His ability to take away all your chakra, flood entire terrains and imprison those in contact with his water is enough to kill most ninjas. Itachi is good. But hes overrated. Aside from MS/Shariingan, he hasn't done anything worthwhile to me that puts him within Akatsuki ranks. He needs newer tricks. |
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2007-04-17, 17:45 | Link #26 | |||
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Kisame... ya, all those grat techniques of his can make him one of the stronger members, but not stronger than Itachi... really, all those techniques won't do him any good the moment he gets stuck in the MS genjutsu |
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2007-04-17, 18:00 | Link #27 |
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Its annoying how you are defending Uchihas while not allowing any other opinion. Back to topic: All Members of Akatsuki can be taken down if they are facing someone who can match their strength and take advantage of their weakness. Take Deidara as an example. Once Deidara runs out of clay its game over for him. On the bright side he is very smart and can blow you up while staying in the air. If you keep him in range while dodging his bombs you wont ever loose against him. Sasori fought against his two worst opponents too. Sakura with neutralizing his poison and his grandmother having advanced knowledge of puppets. He would have been extremely hard to kill for any other konoha ninja combination excluding sakura. |
2007-04-17, 18:08 | Link #28 |
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there is no certain char that is uber over powered in narutoverse. the only rule is : itachi is stronger than x and x is stronger then y and y is s form z and z is stronger f and f is stronger than itachi but any of these characters can take down itachi.thats the beauty of it. so there is no such thing the weakest or strongest... i mean kisame is way stronger than hidan yet hidan can kill him in an instant.so who is stronger?or weaker? none. it depends on how you play your cards.... |
2007-04-17, 19:46 | Link #29 |
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How can someone support the idea of Deidara being strong, he is by far the weakest. I don't think that their is any definite in naruto universe but seeing how easily he fell to kakashi MS sure dose not help his case. When think about Deidara would lose to all members except for maybe Hidan- only if he kept his distance and slowly blew him to bits- and even thats a maybe.But Hidan can fair so well against so many other opponents the Deidara could not. How can someone think that Itachi is weak. Do you honestly think that Kishi would make his favorite character Sasuke opponent some weak idiot. I still think Deidara is the weakest. Do not get me wrong Deidara is a cool guy, personality wise he is probably my second favorite, but just looking at the facts he is the weakest- but this does not mean he is weak Akatisuki is just full stronger people.
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2007-04-17, 20:36 | Link #30 |
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Yah, I personally don't see Deidara as one of the stronger ones (probably just because his clay style is a bit less appealing to me), though I do see that he can be pretty strong. Partly depends how much clay he carries too I guess. I mean his two little pouches of clay lasted awhile against Gaara. If he were to carry as much clay as Gaara does with sand in his gord, then I think Deidara wouldn't really have the problem of running out. His kamikaze explosion thing (though he didn't even die) is pretty strong too though. I think, like with Sasori, he just got paired with a bad opponent (Kakashi with his new MS) at that time. Like if Kakashi wasn't there, Gai probably wouldn't have been able to do anything about it.
My opinion would be that, if anything, Hidan is the weakest overall since there are quite a few fighting styles that can be used against him (pretty much anything but pure melee, which even then might beat him if you move fast enough). We weren't really shown much about his fighting capabilities besides the ritual thing, lack of real pain when injured, and still being alive when his head was cut off. @MobiuS: I agree that Kisame is strong, but I think you may be forgetting a few things when comparing him with Itachi. I'm sure Itachi could easily copy (and probably has at some point through their time as partners, if not even earlier) the water prison jutsu. You also make it seem like everyone has their chakra leaking out all the time. When he used Samehada to eat Naruto's chakra, the chakra was being released from within (hence the orange flame). Most of the time we don't even see people release chakra before doing things...they just use it and go straight to using jutsus. So you can't really say that he can consume the chakra of anyone within Samehada's distance. |
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2007-04-17, 22:32 | Link #32 |
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I think physically that Deidra is definately is one of the weakest...in terms of damage ability Deidra seems to be very strong. Truthfully I don't know where I would place Deidra's ability since we really don't know much about the other members...I think they all definately have strengths and weaknesses. MS itself isn't the end all, it's just Itachi's skilled at using MS and other sharingan abilities that he looks uber...
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Deidara would destroy (defeat not kill) Hidan no contest. Even Asuma defeated Hidan easily till Kakuzu came and put his head back on. Hidan's biggest strength is he can't be killed; but unfortunately for Hidan, you don't need to kill him to obtain a victory. Quote:
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Great thinking. The fact that any small thing that moves could potentially kill you without Deidara even having to be on the battlefield is a lot. Quote:
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Kisame doesnt need to be close to you or make eye contact with you to summon the Ocean. As much as touching this water is enough for him to Water Prison you. End of the game? |
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2007-04-18, 00:22 | Link #35 | ||
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He was missing an arm at the begining, but thiat is not much of a handicap since Deidara does need both arms for his clay attacks; hence why he was rather unphased about loosing his arm to Garra... Normal ninjas need both hands just to form hand seals and also for fighting... Diedara however only needs one for his attacks and doesn't fight close range, so one lost arm isn't that big of a deal because he doesn't use it much anyway... Quote:
Bascially anyone with a good level in Shuriken throwing has a chance of holding their own agianst Deidara... Itachi in particular would not need to use his MS since his high speed and expertese with Shurikens would blow up all of Deidara's clay dolls before they got close enough to do some damage... Kakashi as well showed that he's good enough to take out those clay dolls mid air (scary thought: someone as weak as TenTen may actually fit into this group... I tihnk Gai did boast about her never missing her target)... i would wager to guess that Naruto or Kisame could use clones to block the clay attacks... Kakuzu could basically just blow up the clay using those attacks from his masks (the attack tend to cover a fairly wide area); not to mention it's possible that the clay may have trouble breaking through Kakuzu's iron skin the plus side to Deidara's technique is that he has some control over the clay, which allows the attacks to weave and dodge as they home in on their targets... however, the downside to this is that from what it seems the attacks tend to be slower compared to weapons like Shurikens... The former makes the attacks harder to hit, but the later makes them easier to see coming... If a ninja can see an attack coming they can find a way to defend themselves... Some use high level aim to destory the despite the fact that their moving, others have things that they can use as shield... Hell, the biggest problem most ninja would face when dealing with Deidara is having an effective attack to use agianst him... On defence quite a few ninja seem like they could hold their own, but on offence it becomes troubling since long range techniques are needed... This would result in many sort of stalemates because Deidara may run out of clay and because he's flying his oppoentent can get him... and the reason i say "sort of" is because in a situation like this, Deidara would probably just retreat, and since he ran away, the victory goes to his oppenent... but it's still a kind of stalemate since the other ninja was unable to finish deidara off (though he could if he just had an effective long range attack)... though still, deidara's abilty to just run away like that is rather hollow for calling him strong... This is the only reason kakashi resorted to his MS to beat Deidara, because it was his ONLY long range attack, if he had any other attack he would have used that instead... |
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One more thing, I highly doubt Kisame uses all, or even 50% of his chakra to create a really huge "ocean". So Itachi (or anyone else who is capable) could try evaporating it with a fire jutsu (which the Uchiha are highly skilled at already). It would be similar to what the 2nd and 3rd hokage did during the Konoha invasion arc, except the order in which they're used. So both your arguments that Kisame can eat all of a person's chakra (mentioned in my earlier post) and easily imprison them aren't really that sound. Last edited by EvolutionXI; 2007-04-18 at 01:05. |
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Really, your seriosuly over estiamteing how hard it is to See Deidara's attack comign are... i mean, Garra, who isn't known for high speed (though good reflexes) and doesn't have Sharigan was able to see most of the attacks coming... Only a few times were they close calls on blocking... Itachi on the other hand would probably see the attack even sooner, and be able to counter/dodge the attack accordingly with his aim/speed As for Sasori... know who the hell was talking about him... He is one that might be able to content with Itachi... i mean, the guy doesn't even have real eyes, would Itachi's Genjutsu still work on him... quite the question right there... Quote:
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2007-04-18, 01:34 | Link #38 |
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I'm gonna have to side with Mobius on this one. I think Deidara is one of the most deadly for the same reason I've always thought Shino was one of the most deadly of their group. The idea that you can send a shit ton of bugs, clay bugs or whatever at an enemy from afar and have them completely swarm you, while they chill back and just watch unable to be harmed greatly appeals to me.
Another plus, all genjutsu are (or at least should be) completely useless against something that's not even alive, ie Deidara's clay. As for weakest...I guess i'd say Hidan, since the only thing he showed that he could do was his blood curse deal (even though it's pretty nasty) and it can be avoided fairly easy. |
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- sharingan can tell the diff between a clay spider and a real one. if I recall correctly ... if it does have the same internal chakra system as a real spider ... he wouldnt know the difference. - the clay puppets can be destroyed in one kunai (bear in mind the bird bomb that was crushed in Gaara's sand not detonating till Deidara wanted it to). - Deidara has to be on the battlefield. (Didn't he use his bird to fly high over the city of Sand while raining his spiders and birds down?) - Where Itachi has Kage Bushin. Quote:
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2.) I just narrated to you what Kisame did in his fight and you are telling me he doesnt fight like that? |
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2007-04-18, 02:29 | Link #40 |
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He creates one when he first appears in Konoha and fights Kakashi, which he then makes explode. This is right before he stars mentioning MS and uses it.
He actually does swing his sword at Gai, but Lee comes in and kicks it away. This is the first thing he does after summoning the water, if I recall correctly, which would imply that is his generally preferred style (melee with his sword). Even when fighting in Konoha during his first appearance, he fought with Samehada initially, and only used a suiton jutsu after he got a cut on his face. |
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