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Perfect 10 | 208 | 44.26% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 79 | 16.81% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 55 | 11.70% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 37 | 7.87% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 22 | 4.68% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 7 | 1.49% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 10 | 2.13% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 9 | 1.91% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 4 | 0.85% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 39 | 8.30% | |
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2009-03-08, 20:28 | Link #421 | |
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Now I do agree the whole Mikami mistake and Near finding out about the hidden (real) death note was reasonable. It was an easy mistake and in accordance to Mikami's structured life made sense. Adding in the account that Light had no idea about this - which made Light shocked when he was told about this (not putting anything out of character). So I guess it depends on how you look at the ending, as a whole or a character break down, right. I would have loved to See Light's plan work and defeat everyone - just to see every one's face hahahaha. T.. The bad guy won... O.O.. That would have been in perfect accordance with the character yet completely against the nature of the series. |
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2009-03-09, 03:00 | Link #422 | |
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Also another thing to consider, Light never had a chance. Because even if he beat Near and won, Ryuk would get bored in a few years and write Light's name in his notebook just to cause chaos. Remember Ryuk's primary goal is fun, not ensuring Light's reign. Last edited by ArrowSmith; 2009-03-09 at 03:18. |
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The way I see it though, Light couldn't have trusted people. You could have, I could have, Near could have, anyone else could have, but not Light. It wasn't because of the Death Note or anything, it was because he was driven beyond trust and moral understanding - he'd already thrown the principles which honour trust out the window. Hence, victory was impossible. Quote:
I actually find his plan to kill L more flawed than his plan to defeat Near. He made a much larger mistake there which Rem should have caught onto - by leaving L's fate up to Rem, he had put full power over everything into her hands. There was nothing stopping her from going to L behind Light's back, bargaining Misa's freedom in exchange for her co-operation, handing Light over to him. The only difference is that the moral for the L-side is that "Manipulation gets you nowhere" as opposed to 'Strength in numbers/power of teamwork'. And that we'd be less likely to get the tragic scene of Light running at the end of the show. Quote:
As for Near, I think him being inferior to L was the point. Near's the backup, the successor, and his first case is tackling something that took L's life. No duh he'd have a much harder time. The idea, however, is that Near will improve; the way he thanks Mello for allowing their victory, that how only together they could surpass even L, implies that Near has learned and is going to learn from Mello for the future in order to beat the standard L had set. Quote:
Speaking off-topic for a moment, I see Gevanni as a version of 'the few good men', the Task Force (excluding Light, of course), though this can be said for the entire SPK. He was willing to go the extra mile to stop Kira, understanding very clearly that the probability of him dying at any moment was considerably high. That's not a show of ruthless calculation or arrogance like we see from Light, that's freakin' guts. Quote:
We've been over this already, all of it. It was in that post of mine on the previous page which you seem to have ignored. Please, do not make me repeat myself. Quote:
Again, I've tried to cover this. Near did not "get lucky", it was all thanks to Mello. If you disagree, please check the previous page regarding this. Quote:
They knew he had pieces of the Death Note, they had two cars and eight people combined from the SPK and Task Force. If we move three into the first car for Mikami, and subtract two for driving each car, we can have as many as four people watching Light. Right next to him, from in front of him, and probably behind him too. They probably would have called ahead to the local police department to have announced they had arrested Kira and were bringing him in for confinement, and in that way had many more police cars following him in. It's also valid in possibility/probability that Near or an official might have Light searched and take the watch. Even if Light did kill Near or someone in the station, it'd be too late. They still had all the proof they needed to convict him. In fact, without Near around to vouch for incarceration, it's likely he'd have received the death penalty. Either way, Light would have only one shot - the only sense in using it on Near would be out of spite (which is all Light may have ever had on a deeper level). And without any pieces of the Death Note for Light to use after the one-shot, Ryuk gets bored. Quote:
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2009-03-09, 12:27 | Link #424 | |
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Now I would have loved to continue on with your post Light, but Nevflinn is it? But he beat me to it and did a swell job, I can't wait to see you try and talk your way out of this one. What I find interesting in all this is the fact that we concluded that Light made a mistake, and because of Mello loss, concluding Light/Kira had no way out at all. Nev actually brings up that great idea of all the police cars and searching Light, great point! Light#1, I challenge you to answer the questions above in Nev's post on top of clarifying to me on your latest post about the ending. How would Light winning be really all that accordance with his nature? If this is the case than shouldn't Hitler have won in WWII? |
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2009-03-09, 13:49 | Link #425 | |
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There wasn't really a sequence of events that made him give up the Death Note, he planned the entire thing out, to remove both Rem and L from the picture. In that, you never really even explained how ti was Rem's fault. I doubt that would've been the case if Light won against Near. I'm sure Ryuk would left Ligth alone, seeing as Light would've been free from everything, and would've been able to give Ryuk all the apples he could ever wish for.
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2009-03-09, 14:10 | Link #426 | |
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2009-03-23, 17:56 | Link #430 | |
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Given that it's been over three weeks since either him and I have posted in the thread and he has not yet given a response, I am left to assume that he simply lacks any counter-arguments and instead agrees with me. Any problems? Given that this is an anime forum, you'd be lucky if someone did. :V
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2009-06-08, 18:51 | Link #431 | |
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Plan (A) was to have Misa recover her Death Note again (the one buried), make the Shinigami Eye Trade with Ryuk, and write down L's "real name" in the Death Note. Plan (B) was to have Rem kill L if Misa wasn't able to remember L's real name. Light had already anticipated that the chances of Misa forgetting L's real name was highly plausable; and, therefore, would arrange it that Rem had no other alternative than to save Misa due to the fact that her lifespan was cut for the second time. The arguement is, if it was Rem's fault, then we would have to conclude that Light fluked out. But that's not in accordance to what happened at all. Light knew exactly what to do. Rem told Light that she developed feelings for Misa, and that is how he was able to counter her "death threat" against him and line up the plan to put her in a position where she would have to sacrifice herself for Misa's sake. But it really didn't matter at all what Plan worked out. Whether Misa wrote down L's real name or whether Rem did, Rem still would have died, because Light arranged it so that Misa's lifespan would be cut for the second time, as stated; and in order to save her life and allow her to live a longer - happier life - with Light, Rem would be forced to write L's real name in her Death Note in order to increase Misa's lifespan. Rem wouldn't write down Light's name because that would not make Misa happy. And about Ryuk becoming bored with Light and writing his name down in his Death Note, I have to disagree with you. Ryuk was all about being entertained; therefore, if Light was actually able to retrieve the Death Note from Near and kill him with it, there would be no point for Ryuk to kill him; neither would there be any reason for him to be bored. Seeing how the Creation of a New World would be just beyond the horizon. |
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2009-06-09, 21:14 | Link #432 |
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I thought this was going to be a great anime.
I watched with too high expectations. This anime had lots of potential but somehow didn't make it through. Needed more ryuk. The other shinigami rem, she already knew she was being manipulated by light, she had time to think of something else, and she doesn't seem very dumb as well. Bit of a shame she roll over and died. Why do they show so many rules of death note and not even use them storywise. Those rules would have been great bases for drama's. Also misa misa, her life span was cut down twice, do something dramatic with that. Have her die at childbirth. And the ending, all of it concluded on that guy fukking up. And light turns into a shamefull pussy, i wished more for him. And what's with the i'm going to be god thing. Be a god already, first he sees light as an obstacle, gets rid of it and on top of that he gets the L position. Five years later meh not much changed besides that they tell you episodes later crime and war dropped. Than mello and n come and oh he needs to kill them as well before he will be god. Guess what even if he won i'm betting he'd be busy all his life getting rid of kello's and v's from orphanages all around the world I wonder if the manga is any different. cos for me the show went from amazing to fun but far from perfect quickly after they introduced the 2nd kira.
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2009-06-13, 17:09 | Link #433 |
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Well there's not much to say about the ending.
I expected the anime to end that way, but I think it could be done nicer. The characters grew on the series, and changed completely. Almost all of them died aswell. The only thing I have big complains is the way Light died. The scene when he walks past his old self, show's his regrets of what he has done. I would prefer him diyng in the end proudly, scared but decided. In the beginning he knew the aftereffects of using the note. Maybe I'm expecting to much, but that's the way I feel. Why didn't he beg Ryuk, to kill them all By giving him back the note, keeping some pages and offering him some apples.. I guess this don't refuse the "forgetting" effect of passing the note though..Nevermind. Great anime, well done. Isn't Near a little brat? |
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No, you're just wrong all together, nice try, please try again. Instead of wasting time, here's something for you. Ryuk, spent 6+ years with Light, day in and day out. Don't you think by common sense if Ryuk was getting bored he would after the first year or two? Just a thought. Also, guess what! you're so right! Ryuk's primary goal was to have fun! You answered it! Was the Death World fun? Rhetorical question... So it looks like Light/Kira was not "screwed" if he beats Near, he wins and continues to rain. I am sure with all the apples and mind games Light has, Ryuk would be fine. Quote:
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Light1 is back, for now, so bring the heat, I'm not impressed by anyone of you, you're logic is very flawed and your idea's/opinions are worthless and defy logic, lol. Thanks for the hate and I welcome any challengers, try and get this topic back heated. ----You're truly, Light1 or Light Yamagi. |
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Trust between friends applies to anyone you know, be it friend, family or loved ones, or people you respect and have principles they hold highly. This transcends any petty materialistic values or common goals, this is based on pure support, respect and care between two or more people. For instance, Friend X has no need to worry about Friend Y being bribed by the Big Bad for $1,000,000 so that Friend Y would turn against him; not because Friend X thinks Friend Y would find that amount of money laughable, but because he knows that Friend Y would never betray him no matter what. This is the trust that you find among good people who get along with each other, have good virtues, and have a common goal they won't betray. That's the trust L holds in the Task Force, that Near holds in the SPK. That's probably not the trust Mello holds in his mafia acquaintances - they're out for nothing but profit and are perfectly willing to kill each other over it. That is definitely not what Light displays to the people around him. Light manipulates Rem into a situation she feels she cannot win in so that L will die, thus forcing compliance. Light uses Misa like a tool for whatever he deems necessary. Light doesn't trust Ryuk at all for anything beyond a good conversation - Ryuk doesn't actually do anything particularly extraordinary, he's just in it for the lulz watching from the sidelines. Light can trust Mikami, for Mikami is reliable, believes in his cause and - surprisingly, coming from a person both on the villains' side and potentially insane - honest. However, Light does not trust him at all, and instead uses him as a pawn. He is so confused by Mikami's level of understand and devotion to Kira's cause that he even considers killing him once he's outlived his usefulness. Because of this master-and-servant attitude, Light does not place proper faith in him to help. The greatest degree of 'trust' Light shows in someone is giving Mikami the Death Note: and even then, Light remains in full control. He gives orders to Mikami which he follows to the letter. Mikami is not allowed to make any mental or psychological contribution to what should have been a team - he's but a puppet to Light, a mere pawn to be moved around the battlefield to protect the King. Besides, Light was just waiting for the battle with Near to end so he could get back the Death Note. Quote:
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The other Light had something on it? I've looked over the entire thread and haven't seen anything on it: can you repost it? Quote:
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If I were Rem, and I truly loved Misa in an honest love like a mother to a daughter, then I'd want her life to be good - that is very different from smothering her, spoiling her or simply making her happy. Misa wasn't in love with Light so much as she was obsessed with him; she didn't know who Light was at all or if he even deserved her devotion and care, all she knew was that he did one thing which just so happened to be in her favour. That's not what actual love is: Misa was just setting herself up to be abused and ruined by Light. So leaving Misa under Light's watch without Rem is all but guaranteeing that she'll die - if you disagree, please recall how Light told himself that he'd discard Misa once he was done with her, in their very first meeting. With Misa's concern in mind, I'd have bargained with L for Misa's safety in exchange for Light's reveal and arrest, whilst at the same time keeping Misa confined (so she doesn't try anything stupid). Given a firm yet loving talking and much time later - or perhaps, a year or more of psychology - and Misa will hopefully have recovered. Though if the condition is in the latter, then Rem's love for Misa isn't just unappreciated - it's as superficial as Misa's love for Light. Quote:
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Now I believe you're discussing a very conservative outlook on trust and what trust represents between two or more individuals. Good and virtues people are not the only people who represent trust - if you believes this then you should look at the world more closely. A band of criminals, bank robbers must all work together, and have some type of mutual trust in order to be successful; I believe Socrates speaks about this in his Republic in regard to "What is Justice". However, Nev, what if you take police officers, partners who MUST trust each other in life or death situations - they may not be "loving friends," you of all people can see this. What Light was doing was obviously the most logical process, don't you agree? Obviously Kira was not going to have a bunch of "trust worthy" allies around, I mean if you were Kira would you feel comfortable not having full power and control of your goals and plans? Again, in the series, on topic you must realize Light did not need or want to trust Misa, Rem, Mikami, or anyone for that matter - like you said he treated them as pawns. Nevertheless he did in fact show some trust into them because if he did not he would have lost the battle a long time ago. Actually if you think about it the only reason Light/Kira lost was because of trust. "YOU IDIOT! I told you not to take the Death Note out until today." Remember that? Funny, I would have "trust" issues too if I knew other peoples incompetency would lead to my fall. So do not through trust out the window, my friend, Light did have trust in of all people Mikami, and the simple proof of this is that he failed at the end. Light put too much trust into Mikami hoping he would follow orders and do as told - yes master/slave, but guess what it was working quite well and would have continued to work(speculation) if Mikami wasn't a totally idiot and had some self-awareness. [/QUOTE] Quote:
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I'm not saying other people don't trust each other, I'm saying Light didn't trust people. What he did and always relied on was manipulation; lying like a dog, pushing people into submission, and mentally pushing people into corners were his prime tactics. He forced compliance from everyone he pulled, whether they felt it or not. Nobody was on equal terms with him, as he called all the shots. His desires and objectives, and his life alone were all that mattered, nobody else's. When Near backed Light into a corner, Light's only means of escape was, indeed, in finding someone he could trust. This was not how Light viewed it, though: he thought he could still continue manipulating and making it all about him, through personal flaws of his own. If Light trusted Mikami, he'd have worked much closer with him (it was possible for them to communicate that much) and informed him of his precautions like the watch scrap - but he didn't. Instead, Light tried to manipulate Mikami when he needed to move on to trusting someone, and Mikami was the perfect person for Light to put trust in; he could have worked rationally well with him had Light allowed him to. But he didn't, and couldn't, because this would have meant putting someone on equal territory as himself. If Mikami's trust had been returned, had they co-operated fairly, Light may not have died. Do you see what I mean? Quote:
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In which case, For the second time, we've been over this already. I've discussed it and given an argument on it. You have not addressed it since; thus, I assume you have no argument against it and instead concede it. It was not Mikami's fault. Quote:
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Writing the names down is highly implausible. We're assuming he's in the car now, correct? Therefore, he's flanked by two people on either side, with two more in the front seats, and then there's the car either behind or in front of him. How does he get the space to write something down? He's being watched, nobody's going to be distracted - they will stop him if he tries something. And they will stop him if they spot anything. The diversion is also completely implausible. So a person's death by heart attack is meant to keep everyone's eyes off of Light? How do they think Near would have died then: naturally? Please, they're not idiots. It could have only been Light - at least one of the people there would have realised that in a split second and have stopped Light from trying anything else, if not end up killing him outright. It was over for him no matter what. Quote:
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1. I'm not even in uni yet, and I'm applying for a course in Computer Science. :V 2. ...Four exclamation marks? Seriously - four? While you're trying to talk to someone on grammar? 3. As for why I 'even bothered commenting' on it, please carefully reread the post again: Quote:
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2009-06-21, 17:28 | Link #438 |
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Final ep was alright and the Director Cut shows light became a shinigami. Ryuk even says at the Beginning " At that time you were not god" and then continues and says light name in the end. Ryuk book also represents that alot of time has pass since light death.
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QUESTION: What caused Mikami's bleeding n the last anime episode? His blood suddenly shot up like a fountain. That didn't happen in manga.
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Humans cannot become shinigami. Basically, Light Yagami died. and THAT, dear fangirls and fanboys, is the bottom line. If you read vol #13 then you know that the author said that he wanted to make 100% sure that all fans understand that after death there is nothing, no possible reincarnations or anything of the sort Tsugumi Ohba had said in an interview (in vol 13) that: "Also, one thing that I didn't allow to be changed was the notion that "when you die, you become nothingness." Luckily, I was able to keep this part..."
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