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2014-06-09, 01:47 | Link #4422 | |
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Anyway, I'm reaching the end of HF (on Day 13 now), and it won't be long before I post my overall impression for the entire game. What I could tell so far is that... I'm liking Saber a lot lesser as the story goes on. I'll explain in full details at the end of the game but, it mostly has to do with my expectations at the beginning of the story. Feelings for Saber aside, I'll say that HF definitely has a lot more layers and depth than Fate and UBW, but not necessary better so far. UBW is still much more well-written as far as I can tell at this point in the game. After your mentioning of that punishment though... I find that completely retarded, so I don't think I'll enjoy the story as much now. At this point, it's not even about whether if I find the story good or not, just whether if I like the story or not. You can obviously tell what my feelings are in regards to the latter point. Edit: Why even bother to throw in those stupid-ass Saber scenes at the beginning if you're going to pull a cheap-ass move like that, Nasu? Even Urobuchi knows how to respect his fans.
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To switch to a different subject. When I was reading Fate/stay night I always deliberately sought out the dead ends. I had a few reason for doing this. The first was that dead ends often provided extra information and give a new perspective on things. The second reason was that the Tiger Dojo segments are hilarious. The third reason is that I wanted to collect all the tiger stamps and get a 100% completion rating. Often new features get unlocked when you do. It is not very difficult to find all the dead ends. When encountering a choice you just have to try to first find which of the options is the dead end and choose that one before continuing with the story. Quote:
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2014-06-09, 13:13 | Link #4426 | |
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Yeah, even if you're not a Saber fan, that part still does hit, and that's the point of it. It's meant to convey to the reader a bit more of an idea of what Shirou feels.
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2014-06-09, 17:53 | Link #4428 | ||
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Honestly, between the rape-worms and Anti-Saber/Alter Saber/whatever, I was more than numb at the point where I'm supposed to hate him in HF, because of all the bullshit Nasu pulls out of his ass.
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Jesus, Nasu. What the hell?! God, I'm so pissed off right now. Alright, alright, so the so-called 'mascot' of Fate is reduced to a cheap plot-device in the other routes, her own route sucks ass in comparison to UBW and HF, there was so much undeveloped character of hers that gets tossed WAY into Fate/Zero, which I don't even know if it's ANY good, and I'm supposed to just suck it up and take it in the ass. Alright, I get it. Sigh. You know what? I don't even... I don't even really care at this point. It's 6 in the morning. I've put so much time and effort into the VN, and this is what I get... I'm just trying to finish the game as quickly as possible, so that I could forget about the entire experience. Just for the record, I don't think HF was bad. I know a lot of people gave a lot of fluff to HF and Sakura, but even I could tell that it was much better-written than UBW if only for one major reason - it questioned Shirou's beliefs in a way that the 'played too safe' UBW didn't try to do, but I'll explain this in my overall summary. Right now, I'm sorry if my bitching annoyed you, and it made it look like I hate HF, but to be honest, I'm just pissed with the little things that made the entire story a much messier writing than it should have been. The info-dumping of Fate route, the unbalanced character-writing throughout all three routes, the constant rape undertones to remind you what a vulnerable place the Fate universe is for women, the pointless h-stuff, exposition scenes that had more 'telling than showing' (Google that storytelling technique if you don't know what I mean). There's just these little things that could have been done better, but they don't affect how I feel towards the writing quality of HF. If you're gonna ask me if I think HF is a good story, I'm gonna say it's a great story. But if you ask me if I think F/SN is a good story, I'm gonna say it's average. You could hardly call F/SN a full package that's one story when the whole 'alternate route' thing doesn't make sense. This is why some VNs like Kanon and F/SN piss me off, they force you to choose one heroine's happiness over the other, and all the previous character development you had for those ignored heroines are discarded as soon as you go onto the other routes, making all the previous character evolution pointless (unless you have the parallel universe memory-alteration like Clannad and Little Busters). Does that make HF the One True Route because it's at the end of the story? Why did Saber and Archer magically resolve their issues in the other routes? It doesn't matter. I don't know if this is a kick among masochistic VN readers, but I find it completely stupid - and the School Days VN agrees with me by deconstructing said point. Sigh. I'm just bitching at this point. I really hope that the F/SN remake cleans up all the mess in the VN.
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2014-06-09, 18:02 | Link #4429 |
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1) She clearly wasn't the mascot of TypeMoon at the time. This was 10 years ago. She didn't become the mascot until well afterwards, when she was shown to be the most popular. This is why Last Episode was made in the first place.
2) Don't bitch about Saber fans getting trolled, when Illya got a much less glorious sendoff in UBW. The point is to tell a story with the cast that exists within the story. That means you don't just ignore characters so as to not offend fans. Sakura is a bit of an exception here, since not ignoring her in the first two routes would've seriously spoiled the third route. |
2014-06-09, 18:10 | Link #4430 | |
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Honestly, you're missing my point if you brought up Ilya that way. Read the second-half of my post, the part about VN heroines being ignored. I wasn't just bitching about Saber, I was bitching about the way characters are handled in the entire VN.
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Except that it is clearly a Fate-specific ending, and yet comes after HF, which is frankly bizarre. Especially given that it doesn't even mention Sakura, despite us seeing her situation in HF.
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2014-06-10, 09:18 | Link #4432 | |
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Not everything revolves around Sakura. It seems that people were ok with her end as they demanded for Saber to have a better one. |
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2014-06-10, 09:22 | Link #4433 | |
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Moreover her life should be even better as Shinji died in Fate and that means no more beating and raping and Shinji changed in UBW so that also means no more beating and fighting. To say that she only got happy ending in HF is plain dumb. She only got love interest and nothing else. |
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2014-06-10, 09:35 | Link #4434 | ||
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Sure, she could still get a happy ending in Fate and UBW, but it does likely require further effort on the part of Shirou and Rin. For one thing, even if she is free of Zouken (which is unlikely given that he is still alive and residing in her body), without Shirou and Rin around and with no-one aware of her past, I doubt her life is going to exactly be nice.
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2014-06-10, 13:36 | Link #4437 |
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Yeah, that's not Zouken's goal, if he wanted to take Sakura's body he'd have done so a long time before.
However, whilst it isn't his goal, as such, if she is of no value to him and no-one important around to question where she went, there is no reason for him not to take her body. It saves him the effort of looking for another one. I suspect he wouldn't do it immediately, because she is still useful to him in order to breed an heir, but that is not exactly a great outcome for her (producing a child for him to torture from birth) and, based on the implied fate of Shinji's mother, it seems likely that he would kill her once she had given birth. The only thing that would save her would be the possibility of Rin or Shirou asking questions if she dies suddenly. Ultimately, it's pretty simple. If killing Sakura gives Zouken a better outcome (however small the difference) than not killing her does, then he'll do it. Conversely, if keeping her alive gives him the better outcome, he'll do that. At best, that is a very crappy life to live, knowing that you could be killed at any time for any reason, and I suspect that, unless Shirou and Rin hang around and watch over her (so that killing her will put pressure on Zouken), he would eventually end up killing her just because there is no reason not to. Also, we don't need to spoiler HF discussion any more, OminousFlare has finished playing through it, I think.
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It also seems like (s)he hasn't yet read the Last Episode, which (s)he would have unlocked if (s)he had read the two endings of Heaven Feel. |
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2014-06-10, 13:50 | Link #4440 | |
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He had anything in place, I don't see why would he made her suffer after the war's end. |
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