Who is the strongest guy/gal in OP?

[Phenomenal]

So What, Benn Beckman Oda says has wisdom and that is enough to advise Shanks. Hell just becasue you can decipher some tablets does not mean you are wise. Wisdom is better than book smarts any day. That is what Robin is she is book Smart.

[Illuyankas]

He said higher IQ, that is effectively book smart. We're not saying Benn Beckman's stupid, we're saying that since Robin got what is effectively a degree at the age of 8, she might be - MIGHT be - the smartest now. Plus, Croc and a few of the other Gods of the Sea (hate that word), not to mention that tactican naval officer and maybe Sengoku and some others should feature on that list now as well.

[Phenomenal]

Originally Posted by Illuyankas

He said higher IQ, that is effectively book smart. We're not saying Benn Beckman's stupid, we're saying that since Robin got what is effectively a degree at the age of 8, she might be - MIGHT be - the smartest now. Plus, Croc and a few of the other Gods of the Sea (hate that word), not to mention that tactican naval officer and maybe Sengoku and some others should feature on that list now as well.

IQ does not have to be in terms of book smart. IQ can be in anything, that is why with Benn Beckman's Wisdom he can advise Shanks. Benn Beckman's Experience and Knowledge of everything is what Oda was talking about. The man has too much experience and with that gained more knowledge.

I have to agree that Crocodile was probably the most intelligent villain out of the whole series right now. Crocodile was very sinister and a man of high intelect.

[Phenomenal]

Like I told all of you, Smoker's Promotion would have made him Admiral. Captain [Taisa] is the highest form of Captain that you can obtain. Aokiji in robin's flashbacks was a captain or vice Admiral and then promoted to Admiral or Vice Admiral. Smoker is powerful enough to be an Admiral.

I still got 167 chapters to find Oda's quotes concerning Smoker as well.

[Illuyankas]

Actually, it would have made him a commodore.

[Slayerx]

Ao Kiji was a Vice Admril in the flashback...

[neodrag38]

Originally Posted by The Phenomenol

Like I told all of you, Smoker's Promotion would have made him Admiral. Captain [Taisa] is the highest form of Captain that you can obtain. Aokiji in robin's flashbacks was a captain or vice Admiral and then promoted to Admiral or Vice Admiral. Smoker is powerful enough to be an Admiral.

I still got 167 chapters to find Oda's quotes concerning Smoker as well.

And Aokiji was a vice admiral during the time of the Ohara Incident, especially when the idea behind the buster call is having multiple vice admirals involved.

So Smoker wasn't offered the chance to be promoted to admiral. And the position still entails a needed level of combat strength since only three people have been able to reach this position.

[Phenomenal]

Well Smoker could have been a Vice Admiral. Hell his powers are good enough to be an Admiral.

Thanks for clearing up that Aokiji was a vice admiral.

[neodrag38]

Originally Posted by The Phenomenol

Well Smoker could have been a Vice Admiral. Hell his powers are good enough to be an Admiral.

Says you; not the manga.

Thanks for clearing up that Aokiji was a vice admiral.

No prob of course.

[Phenomenal]

Says you; not the manga.

Actually when I find the SBS segment when stated by Oda it is an actual fact that Smoker is powerful enough to be an admiral. I will find the SBS it will take a little more time.

[neodrag38]

Please do then. Cause I still don't see how Smoker's usage of his ability is any better or more varied in action than even Crocodile for instance. All I see from Smoker is getting by not only the usage of a logia fruit but also seastone in a manner where he doesn't seem to do so well against an equal or better.

[Phenomenal]

Please do then.

I will.

Cause I still don't see how Smoker's usage of his ability is any better or more varied in action than even Crocodile for instance. All I see from Smoker is getting by not only the usage of a logia fruit but also seastone in a manner where he doesn't seem to do so well against an equal or better.

You are sadly mistaken. His logia powers are just as good as Crocodile's and Aokiji's. Not much can effect Smoke or clouds.

[neodrag38]

No they aren't. He only does basically at most three things, that is still basically the same thing, with his ability that just makes him pretty predictable. Getting by on that not much can effect Smoke is still pretty much doing what Crocodile criticized about inferior users of devil fruit abilities that easily fall into to just overrelying on the simple obvious positives of an ability. With Crocodile he at least did more than just simply turn into sand and Aokiji did more than just simply turn his body into ice.

[Phenomenal]

Smoker did more than turn into Smoke as well. He has attacks just like Aokiji and Crocodile. I would not say that a very predictable Ice sabre that Aokiji made was something to cry home to mom about.

The fact is Smoker's powers allow him to adapt better than Aokiji and Crocodile. Smoker can face more elements because nothing can really effect clouds.

[neodrag38]

Originally Posted by The Phenomenol

Smoker did more than turn into Smoke as well. He has attacks just like Aokiji and Crocodile. I would not say that a very predictable Ice sabre that Aokiji made was something to cry home to mom about.

Like? When did Smoker did more than just basically making himself into smoke? And Aokiji can create ice structure beyond simply that of ice sabre. Especially when he simply made it in terms of him not being serious and was simply attacking Robin who he clearly knew had no chance in hell of defeating him. It's not like ice sabre is a main attack that he uses alot, especially against opponents with more combat ability than Robin at least.

The fact is Smoker's powers allow him to adapt better than Aokiji and Crocodile. Smoker can face more elements because nothing can really effect clouds.

Adapt better how? At least Aokiji wouldn't have needed Zoro to save him from drowning in Crocodile's underground lair. So I really don't see this so-called advantaged in adapting.

[Phenomenal]

Like? When did Smoker did more than just basically making himself into smoke? And Aokiji can create ice structure beyond simply that of ice sabre. Especially when he simply made it in terms of him not being serious and was simply attacking Robin who he clearly knew had no chance in hell of defeating him.

Why not have all of your moves as Smoke. Aokiji's attacks are all Ice based, there is no difference. Smoker was never serious in fighting Luffy. Luffy is the one serious by running away knowing that he can not fight Smoker.Oh and by the way Luffy has never broken from Smoker's grasp.

Adapt better how?

Not many of the Logia users we have seen can defeat Smoker nor by any character of One Piece. In Battle there is not alot of answers for his Logia fruit ability. Their are ways to defeat Aokiji.

At least Aokiji wouldn't have needed Zoro to save him from drowning in Crocodile's underground lair. So I really don't see this so-called advantaged in adapting.

Aokiji would have needed Zoro to save him if he was Fighting Ace.

[neodrag38]

Originally Posted by The Phenomenol

Why not have all of your moves as Smoke. Aokiji's attacks are all Ice based, there is no difference. Smoker was never serious in fighting Luffy. Luffy is the one serious by running away knowing that he can not fight Smoker.Oh and by the way Luffy has never broken from Smoker's grasp.

You don't seem to understand. All Smoker really does is turn into smoke. That's pretty much it. While with Aokiji he can create more permanent forms of weaponry, freeze people to the point he can shatter them into pieces, and doesn't have to worry much about being a hammer.

And Luffy has broken from Smoker's grasp. He did through the use of a quick fuusen, or in english baloon, where it forcefully made the smoke lose grasp of him. And that you still fail to realize that you are talking about a Luffy with a mindset where he has only encountered one logia user that being Smoker. His perception would be different from how it was at the beginning of Arabasta when he has encountered more than just simply one.

Not many of the Logia users we have seen can defeat Smoker nor by any character of One Piece. In Battle there is not alot of answers for his Logia fruit ability. Their are ways to defeat Aokiji.

And the answer for Aokiji is more numerous than Smoker how? Including when at least when you try to hit Smoker the result of neither one of you sustaining damage while hitting Aokiji has its clear damaging result upon you. So what alot of answers do you speak of for Aokiji since if that was true he wouldn't be alive to today and his position?

Aokiji would have needed Zoro to save him if he was Fighting Ace.

Uh, no. One, Zoro of course wouldn't be able to do anything to Ace. Two, Aokiji still being the polar opposite to Ace where the result is still basically a draw. A most fair neither would be able to beat the other since they both have shown themselve to be comparitively infinite on how much they can produce, though it remains that in the end all things end up cold.

[Phenomenal]

You don't seem to understand. All Smoker really does is turn into smoke. That's pretty much it. While with Aokiji he can create more permanent forms of weaponry, freeze people to the point he can shatter them into pieces, and doesn't have to worry much about being a hammer.

No you do not seem to understand. All that you stated has to do with Ice. Forms of weaponry? Only weapon he formed was a dull Ice Sabre nothing special and very predictable. Smoker makes shapes with his Smoke as well he can form a snake which can grab you, he can blind you so that you can not see that is his smokescreen attack.

And Luffy has broken from Smoker's grasp. He did through the use of a quick fuusen, or in english baloon, where it forcefully made the smoke lose grasp of him. And that you still fail to realize that you are talking about a Luffy with a mindset where he has only encountered one logia user that being Smoker. His perception would be different from how it was at the beginning of Arabasta when he has encountered more than just simply one.

Nope did not happen.

while hitting Aokiji has its clear damaging result upon you.

Actually not. Luffy kicked Aokiji in the air, Robin grabbed him. Aokiji has to freeze his opponent when they touch him. That is nothing special. Smoker can not simply be touched. Seems like a win win situation to me.

Zoro of course wouldn't be able to do anything to Ace.

Actually no Zoro has the skill to cut the wind which allows the wind to blow opponents away so he can combat Ace's fire. Lets not forget about his other skills as well.

Aokiji still being the polar opposite to Ace where the result is still basically a draw. A most fair neither would be able to beat the other since they both have shown themselve to be comparitively infinite on how much they can produce, though it remains that in the end all things end up cold.

Actually no. Ace will simply melt Aokiji. There is no way Ice can defend against heat.

[neodrag38]

Originally Posted by The Phenomenol

No you do not seem to understand. All that you stated has to do with Ice. Forms of weaponry? Only weapon he formed was a dull Ice Sabre nothing special and very predictable. Smoker makes shapes with his Smoke as well he can form a snake which can grab you, he can blind you so that you can not see that is his smokescreen attack. He can also grab you so you can not move.

No. It's a matter of Aokiji being able to do more than just simply turn his body into ice. Smoker only changes his body into an element. While Aokiji still does more than just being composed of ice. And Aokiji's Ice Sabre wasn't the only weapon he has shown to create from his ability unless you forgot what occured during his pwning of Saul. The shapes you speak for Smoker still consist of him forming these shapes out of his own body that he transforms into smoke. It's not like the snake you comment on is seperate from his body and can actually hurt someone beyond simply grabbing them. It remains that all Smoker really does is turn into Smoke.

Nope did not happen.

Yes it did.

Actually not. Luffy kicked Aokiji in the air, Robin grabbed him. Aokiji has to freeze his opponent when they touch him. That is nothing special.

Again, Aokiji clearly letting them do this. Especially with Robin where Aokiji clearly wasn't showing any fear whatsoever when she was about to do Clutch to him. There's a difference between them actually being able to harm him and him letting you touch him. Aokiji doesn't even need to touch a person to freeze them. He isn't limited to only be able to do short distance combat.

Actually no Zoro has the skill to cut the wind which allows the wind to blow opponents away so he can combat Ace's fire.

No he can't since Zoro didn't even have this ability at all during the time in question you speak of where we have Aokiji instead of Smoker in the scenario. Much less that again cutting fire is still just cutting fire that already exist in multiple parts.

Actually no. Ace will simply melt Aokiji. There is no way Ice can defend against the heat.

Uh no. Fire doesn't just simply and quicly melt ice. Especially when neither are are limited to your foolishyly general statement. It remains that Ace will increase heat and Aokiji will decrease the temperature where it most likely in terms of fairness will just be a draw. Much less that your statement is a superficial form of logic that is disproven by science when it remains that all things, even stars, end up cold. Your statement would be like saying that there exist only 4 elements.

[Phenomenal]

No. It's a matter of Aokiji being able to do more than just simply turn his body into ice. Smoker only changes his body into an element. While Aokiji still does more than just being composed of ice. And Aokiji's Ice Sabre wasn't the only weapon he has shown to create from his ability unless you forgot what occured during his pwning of Saul. The shapes you speak for Smoker still consist of him forming these shapes out of his own body that he transforms into smoke. It's not like the snake you comment on is seperate from his body and can actually hurt someone beyond simply grabbing them. It remains that all Smoker really does is turn into Smoke.

Same with Aokiji.

Yes it did.

Sorry I have all the episodes did not happen.

Aokiji doesn't even need to touch a person to freeze them. He isn't limited to only be able to do short distance combat.

Actually he is. All that he is hown is touching people and turning them into Ice. (without the sea) He has to be in contact because he did not shoot any Ice like a KI ball just like crocodile or Ener.

No he can't since Zoro didn't even have this ability at all during the time in question you speak of where we have Aokiji instead of Smoker in the scenario. Much less that again cutting fire is still just cutting fire that already exist in multiple parts.

Actually yes he has always had that move. He can cut more than the fire.

It remains that Ace will increase heat and Aokiji will decrease the temperature where it most likely in terms of fairness will just be a draw.

This is made up non sense. Ace will simply melt Aokiji, Aokiji has shown no ability to lower the temperatuire only turn peole into ice sickles. stop upgrading the character. Ace will simply defeat Aokiji he will simply turn into fire and their is no way for Aokiji to stop him. He sure as hell can not freeze him becasue Aokiji will just melt.

Oh for the record mr. Rocket Scientist, this is not science it is anime. Ace!!!!!!!!11