Marvel Live-Action TV and Film General News and Discussion Thread

[GDB]

That's a shame about Echo, but not really surprising with how all their Disney+ stuff has been for... a long while now. In fact, it feels like the shows have gotten less and less impactful, which is saying a lot since other than Wanda and Loki, they've all been rather... not important.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by GDB

That's a shame about Echo, but not really surprising with how all their Disney+ stuff has been for... a long while now. In fact, it feels like the shows have gotten less and less impactful, which is saying a lot since other than Wanda and Loki, they've all been rather... not important.

Yeah, WandaVision and Loki are the two stand out shows.

I think the problem with Echo is the false advertising. They put Daredevil in the trailers, but he's only there for two minutes in the entire show. Fisk did get some screentime, but they didn't end up doing much with him in the end. Him caring about someone isn't new, we had Vanessa in the Netflix shows. His behavior also felt widely inconsistent. I know the man has serious anger issues, but some of his actions here just didn't make much sense.

The other issue is the TV-MA rating. It set certain expectations, and after watching the show I have zero clue how it earned that rating. There's barely any blood in it and zero cursing.

[GDB]

If they refuse to push overarching stories along, then they really need to do more Moon Knight stuff. Completely detach it from everything, even if it's technically still part of it, and don't even pretend to do cameos and such. Focus 100% on being the best it can be without cheap gimmicks.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by GDB

If they refuse to push overarching stories along, then they really need to do more Moon Knight stuff. Completely detach it from everything, even if it's technically still part of it, and don't even pretend to do cameos and such. Focus 100% on being the best it can be without cheap gimmicks.

They should just go back to the way it was before: movies for big superheroes, and series for street level superheroes. Daredevil, Punisher and Jessica Jones were really great. I heard Agents of Shield was good too but I never really watched it.

[Anh_Minh]

I may have been overhyped for Deadpool and Wolverine. It wasn't bad, there were some great moments, but still a bit disappointing somehow.

[Kanon]

I haven't seen Deadpool & Wolverine yet but based on what I've read, I've lowered my expectations by quite a bit. It sounds like they really oversold it.

Anyway, big news came out today concerning the future of the MCU.

Spoiler for Future entries:

Exit Kang, enter Dr. Doom... played by Robert Downey Jr. Marvel is getting really desperate, and I'm frankly a bit disappointed RDJ didn't turn them down. Why does every actor insist on ruining their perfect exit?

On that note, Feige also confirmed Hugh Jackman will keep playing Wolverine for the foreseeable future. I mean, I absolutely love his portrayal of Wolverine and I get why he returned for Deadpool & Wolverine, but not having a different, younger actor be the MCU's Wolverine is just wrong. Now is the perfect time to recast. He's not going to be able to play him forever.

[GDB]

It's likely that Jackman will just play Wolverine until the end of Secret War, which is still like 3 years away. And then the next time there'd be a chance for Wolverine to show up would be likely another 1-2 years after that at minimum. So foreseeable future could still be reasonable.

For Deadpool & Wolverine, I loved it personally. But I also went in with almost no expectations beyond "be better than Deadpool 2", which it far and away was better than. Probably my second favorite MCU movie post-Endgame, with No Way Home being first. Still liked it more than Guardians 3 and Shang-Chi, which were the only other contenders really since I felt like all the others sucked.

[MeoTwister5]

RDJ being Doom does have some precedent in the comics which is what they will likely do to justify him playing Victor. The question is whether RDJ does Doom enough justice to exit the shadow of Tony Stark and come out on his own as Victor von Doom.

The Russo's coming back to direct smells more like an attempt to steer the ship back on course, but considering that IW and Endgame had so much more risk of going wrong than going right, their return gives me hope.

[larethian]

Deadpool and Wolverine was all right. As deadpool as it can get. My only gripe was 1 or 2 mindless fights could be cut since it felt like repetitive padding.

[belatkuro]

RDJ coming back to Marvel feels similar to Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson coming back to the Fast and Furious franchise. Life outside the franchise must have been hard. Dwayne's Black Adam flopped, and Jungle Cruise and Red Notice weren't good so he came back to F&F after not appearing on F9. Only notable thing with RDJ after Endgame was Oppenheimer, since Dolittle flopped.

Oh and Gal Gadot as well, since WW84 flopped and was relegated to cameos, and Red Notice was not good so she went back to F&F.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by GDB

It's likely that Jackman will just play Wolverine until

... until he's 90.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

... until he's 90.

Disney now owns him for 90 years lol

Just saw it today and that post credit scene. Evans has clearly wanted to do that for years. lol overall the movie was a good movie and stupid fun to watch. Even my dad who isn’t into superhero movies loved it.

[Kanon]

Finally saw Deadpool and Wolverine on my second try. The first time, the movie didn't have any sound and after a few minutes the staff of the theater told us the screening was canceled because they had technical issues.

Anyway, I absolutely loved it. Best movie of the trilogy in my book. Despite entering the MCU, Deadpool remained 100% Deadpool. The opening scene alone is pure gold, the absolute disrespect for Logan lmao.

In the end, the movie felt more about "burying" FOX than entering the MCU (the end credits made it extra clear in case people hadn't noticed). I was still a little disappointed that no superhero from the MCU even showed up in the movie. I do hope that sneak peek at Deadpool's future with Thor was actual foreshadowing and not just a joke.

The reason I said I lowered my expectations is because Feige stated that "if Endgame was a 9/10 in terms of impact on the MCU, Deadpool and Wolverine is an 8". That was obviously completely false, even the post credit scene was just a gag instead of some set up for a future movie.

I don't have anything else from the MCU to look forward to in the near future.

[belatkuro]

Could have used some show and not all tell of this Wolverine's past. Wish we were shown a bit of it, especially Charles since he is connected to Cassandra, but that would probably exceed the budget to call back more people to shoot for that. Evans was already eating much of the budget as Deadpool said. And probably trim some fights like the fight inside the car.

Other than that, I enjoyed it. Haven't been watching any MCU stuff for years now but I watch Pitch Meeting and Honest Trailers so I know about this TVA stuff. Love that small joke about Blade not liking Deadpool since Snipes and Reynolds had issues back in Blade Trinity. Glad they could make fun of that in here.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Kanon

The reason I said I lowered my expectations is because Feige stated that "if Endgame was a 9/10 in terms of impact on the MCU, Deadpool and Wolverine is an 8". That was obviously completely false, even the post credit scene was just a gag instead of some set up for a future movie.

I think the reasoning, if it wasn't a meme to begin with, was:

Spoiler:

the introduction of an anchor being, which will likely be vital for Secret Wars (or was before it switched from Kang to Doom), as well as the fact that Deadpool found a way to revitalize an entropic timeline. The latter of which would've been huge if not for the whole multiverse concept being a dead horse at this point with how bad most of the movies have been the last few years.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by belatkuro

Could have used some show and not all tell of this Wolverine's past. Wish we were shown a bit of it, especially Charles since he is connected to Cassandra, but that would probably exceed the budget to call back more people to shoot for that. Evans was already eating much of the budget as Deadpool said. And probably trim some fights like the fight inside the car.

I think they could have shown us the most important scene

Spoiler for Spoilers:

which is Wolverine coming back to the mansion to find everyone dead. He said the bodies were piled up, so just have them lying face down. You can easily recognize Jean by her red hair, Storm by her white hair, and Charles by his lack of hair. I'm sure they could have found tricks to make others recognizable without bringing back the actors.

Originally Posted by GDB

I think the reasoning, if it wasn't a meme to begin with, was:

Spoiler:

the introduction of an anchor being, which will likely be vital for Secret Wars (or was before it switched from Kang to Doom), as well as the fact that Deadpool found a way to revitalize an entropic timeline. The latter of which would've been huge if not for the whole multiverse concept being a dead horse at this point with how bad most of the movies have been the last few years.

Spoiler for Deadpool and Wolverine:

Honestly, the whole anchor being thing seemed extremely stupid to me. I let it slide because it's a Deadpool movie and it doesn't need to make sense.

I wouldn't be surprised if they told us Paradox was bullshitting and it was a different reason that was causing Deadpool's timeline to disappear.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by belatkuro

Could have used some show and not all tell of this Wolverine's past. Wish we were shown a bit of it, especially Charles since he is connected to Cassandra, but that would probably exceed the budget to call back more people to shoot for that. Evans was already eating much of the budget as Deadpool said. And probably trim some fights like the fight inside the car.

Especially since the explanation was "Wolverine was having an evening to himself when a surprise attack was launched on the X-Mansion". It's unfortunate, but he didn't do anything wrong. Some guilt is understandable, but it doesn't qualify him for "worst Wolverine". Not when Ultimate Wolverine purposely dropped Cyclops down a hole and left him for dead so he could hit on Jean. And tried to make out with teenage Mary-Jane when body-switched with Peter.

And there's probably even worse versions out there.

If they wanted a "worst Wolverine" they could have gone with something like that. Wolverine hitting on Jean a bit too insistently, coming to blows with Scott, splintering the team which left it vulnerable and everyone dies.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Especially since the explanation was "Wolverine was having an evening to himself when a surprise attack was launched on the X-Mansion". It's unfortunate, but he didn't do anything wrong. Some guilt is understandable, but it doesn't qualify him for "worst Wolverine". Not when Ultimate Wolverine purposely dropped Cyclops down a hole and left him for dead so he could hit on Jean. And tried to make out with teenage Mary-Jane when body-switched with Peter.

And there's probably even worse versions out there.

If they wanted a "worst Wolverine" they could have gone with something like that. Wolverine hitting on Jean a bit too insistently, coming to blows with Scott, splintering the team which left it vulnerable and everyone dies.

What makes him the worst Wolverine is what came after that.

Spoiler for Deadpool & Wolverine:

He attempted to get revenge by slaughtering ton of humans, with of them being completely innocent. This turned the entire world against mutants and most likely led to their extinction at the hands of humans.

[Anh_Minh]

Oh, right. It must have slipped my mind, what with him still being able to go to a bar instead of, I don't know, death row corridor.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Oh, right. It must have slipped my mind, what with him still being able to go to a bar instead of, I don't know, death row corridor.

Yeah, the people of his universe are surprisingly chill