Fate/stay night Game discussion (Warning: Spoilers)

[Levani]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

Instead every minute was used for DEEN's favorite "waifu"character Saber.

That makes me want to watch the DEEN FSN now.

[ShadowSamurai365]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

DEEN F/sn is a poor excuse of an adaption that completely mischaracterizes all characters that are not named Saber or Archer, uses Shirou's sexist lines without properly showing that it's just an excuse for him to be the only one to be hurt and everyone else to be unharmed.

Not to mention a few ridiculous things like Gilgamesh beating Saber up in melee combat and having an anime-original arc where Caster kidnaps Sakura to somehow combine UBW and HF into the anime. I strongly advice against showing that to anyone.

Just as a reminder: DEEN is the very same studio that made the UBW movie, in which Shirou just attacks gilgamesh inside his reality marble in melee and neither of the two using the swordspams at all and to top it all off, Shirou even PROJECTs swords inside his RM. So DEEN missed the two uses of Shirou's RM, namely not having to project anymore as he can "force pull" the swords from the ground and being able to use the lying swords as a swordspam, completely. They did similar mistakes in the 2006 anime, even leading to Type-Moon not listing the DEEN anime and the DEEN movie in a recent Fate/ release chart in a magazine.

Yeah, I fully agree with you about Deen mischaracterizing (most of) the characters. I've seen the Deen anime first, so I'm really glad of watching videos of the VN. It helped me understand the most (if not all) of the characters better. This was especially true when it comes to Shirou (he was really aggravating for me in the anime).

I haven't seen the UBW movie, only videos of the Shirou vs. Archer and Shirou vs Gilgamesh fights (and I'm not planning on seeing full movie if what I've heard of the movie being terrible being true). I hope that Ufotable will be able to properly adapt those two scenes since Deen really screwed up the meaning of the things happening in those scenes (besides UBW being my favorite route).

I sort of got a question for you about the Deen anime (since it has been a long time for me seeing it): Was Gilgamesh really besting Saber in close quarters combat? I really find that funny since Gilgamesh really hasn't shown anything close to close combat skills (or swordsmanship skills in general).

[Lorhand]

He's not better than Saber in close combat in the Type-Moon verse. He's an owner, not a wielder, if you know what I mean.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Lorhand

He's not better than Saber in close combat in the Type-Moon verse. He's an owner, not a wielder, if you know what I mean.

For some reason, adding that "if you know what I mean" to that statement made it sound REALLY dirty, if you know what I mean.

[ShadowSamurai365]

Originally Posted by Lorhand

He's not better than Saber in close combat in the Type-Moon verse. He's an owner, not a wielder, if you know what I mean.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I just hope that once a certain scene pops up, the audience will also get the meaning of that statement.

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by Levani

That makes me want to watch the DEEN FSN now.

I forgot to mention that they turned Rin into a clumsy girl.

[Levani]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

I forgot to mention that they turned Rin into a clumsy girl.

I see, -_-

I hope there will, at least, be a movie from ufotable for the Fate route.

[DragoZERO]

UBW... when does Archer realize who he is?

[Amarantine]

I haven't read them myself, but I remember hearing somewhere that Nasu revealed in side materials that Archer remembered everything as soon as Rin told him her name.

[GDB]

^ This. Though he always knew who he was, it wasn't until Rin said her name that he realized where and when he was and the people he used to know.

[Lorhand]

I'll just quote side material:

Originally Posted by side material

Archer [Servant]

[...]

The night he was summoned (after Rin went to sleep), he assessed the present situation, figured out his circumstances, and concluded that the opportunity to complete his objective had at long last appeared. However, he didn't realize the girl who summoned him was Tohsaka Rin until she introduced herself. (His memory wasn't fuzzy, the name "Tohsaka Rin" had simply been worn away by time.)

At that moment, it all came rushing back like lightning.

"Then I'll call you Rin. …Yes, it suits you well."

Archer's murmur at that time was thick with a heartfelt and madly passionate affection.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by Levani

Why doesn't Saber question the fact that Shirou's last name is Emiya? Is she that level headed that she can stay refined during such surprises? (Thankfully UFO gave me what I wanted here, love you ufotable).

She does. It's just not very obvious, because we see things through Shirou's eyes, and Shirou isn't aware of it.

She should also recognize this house since she was with Irisviel in Zero. Another scene which bothered me was with Ilya, Iri and Saber were pretty tight. I'd except there would be some sort of reaction here as well. (Once again, ufotable gives me what I want here too xD)

That's explained by Nasu. When Saber last saw Ilya, she was an eight-year-old child, and she never heard her name. Ten years had passed, so Saber would have expected an adult. What she saw didn't fit her expectations, so she just assumed it was some random Einsbern homunculus.

Ilya, Lancer, Caster, Kuzuki, Gilgamesh, Shinji and Rin's feelings about Tokimoi's death were all under-developed. And these characters should have had screentime instead of those cooking scenes in my opinion. Even so, the game gets 9/10 from me. I'm hoping it'll get re-translated one day, I thought it was pretty average and somewhat boring.

The "cooking scenes" were essential for Sakura's character development in HF, as well as for Rin's. If you don't have those, you can't understand Sakura's character.

[Levani]

The "cooking scenes" were essential for Sakura's character development in HF, as well as for Rin's. If you don't have those, you can't understand Sakura's character.

I saw no character development for Sakura in those scenes. Her development, at least in my eyes, was when she talked to Shirou about a boy (Shirou) she saw in her childhood and when she's embraced by Shirou in the rain and during the times when she feels ill and wants Emiya Shirou to be by her side. And the scene when she yells out all her frustrations all at once towards Rin. Those were character developments for me. Cooking scenes were same routine slice of life and the most boring scenes in the whole game and mostly served nothing towards the plot other than to stretch it out. There are hundred of other ways to show Sakura's feelings towards Shirou that will make you understand her character without resorting to cooking scenes. And there actually was, plenty of it, and I enjoyed all of it.

[Y Ddraig Goch]

Spoiler for dunno if spoiler:

Just noticed that there was a 10 year timeskip epilogue for the Fate and UBW routes featuring Rin. Can anyone list the differences between the Fate version and the UBW version if there are any?

[corefire]

is it just me who wants to see a scraped heroine route (Shielder, Illya, Rider or Caster) insted of an adaptation of the Fate,UBW and HF ( wouldnt mind another adaptation Fate route though.) also Studio Deen's Fate adaptation was to Shielder's route but insted thay did the fate race route.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Reality Breaker 2.0

Spoiler for dunno if spoiler:

Just noticed that there was a 10 year timeskip epilogue for the Fate and UBW routes featuring Rin. Can anyone list the differences between the Fate version and the UBW version if there are any?

There's no epilogue in the true sense of the word. It's just a statement by Nasu that Rin and Waver teamed up to dismantle the Greater Grail 10 years after the Fate and UBW routes.

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by Levani

I saw no character development for Sakura in those scenes. Her development, at least in my eyes, was when she talked to Shirou about a boy (Shirou) she saw in her childhood and when she's embraced by Shirou in the rain and during the times when she feels ill and wants Emiya Shirou to be by her side. And the scene when she yells out all her frustrations all at once towards Rin. Those were character developments for me. Cooking scenes were same routine slice of life and the most boring scenes in the whole game and mostly served nothing towards the plot other than to stretch it out. There are hundred of other ways to show Sakura's feelings towards Shirou that will make you understand her character without resorting to cooking scenes. And there actually was, plenty of it, and I enjoyed all of it.

I have to disagree with this. But I understand why it's easy to miss. May partially have to do with F/Z. F/Z showed everything from all participants' perspectives. In F/sn it's mostly just Shirou's POV, so in F/Z character intentions were sponfed to the audience, but not in F/sn. The meaning of the cooking scenes only becomes clear if you see it from Sakura's POV, but that is not directly given to the readers. So instead you have to try to interpret Sakura's character and make a guess as to what she is thinking at such moments and what it is in the general scheme of things. And then once again check if that scenario really fits Sakura's character. IMO in Sakura's case that's a piece of cake, at least compared to doing the same with Beatrice from Umineko.

[Levani]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

I have to disagree with this. But I understand why it's easy to miss. May partially have to do with F/Z. F/Z showed everything from all participants' perspectives. In F/sn it's mostly just Shirou's POV, so in F/Z character intentions were sponfed to the audience, but not in F/sn. The meaning of the cooking scenes only becomes clear if you see it from Sakura's POV, but that is not directly given to the readers. So instead you have to try to interpret Sakura's character and make a guess as to what she is thinking at such moments and what it is in the general scheme of things. And then once again check if that scenario really fits Sakura's character. IMO in Sakura's case that's a piece of cake, at least compared to doing the same with Beatrice from Umineko.

I wouldn't compare Sakura to Beatrice. Beatrice is a mysterious figure and Umineko's goal is to break her identity, in other words, countless of clues are hidden in the narrative. Sakura's character is told very well by every other scene she has with Shirou that aren't cooking scenes.

If the cooking scenes wanted me to understand more about Sakura, it did a very weak job of developing her during it, in my mind obviously. I'll always repeat that what I say on forums is purely my opinion and I do not acknowledge them as facts that other people should follow.

Oh and, I come across more upset than I am, honestly. It's not like whole FSN is made out of these stuff. It's just part of it that I didn't enjoy, that's all.

[ShadowSamurai365]

Originally Posted by Levani

I wouldn't compare Sakura to Beatrice. Beatrice is a mysterious figure and Umineko's goal is to break her identity, in other words, countless of clues are hidden in the narrative. Sakura's character is told very well by every other scene she has with Shirou that aren't cooking scenes.

If the cooking scenes wanted me to understand more about Sakura, it did a very weak job of developing her during it, in my mind obviously. I'll always repeat that what I say on forums is purely my opinion and I do not acknowledge them as facts that other people should follow.

Oh and, I come across more upset than I am, honestly. It's not like whole FSN is made out of these stuff. It's just part of it that I didn't enjoy, that's all.

There's a question that I would like to ask you about that: In the HF cooking scenes, (in your opinion) what do you think the scenes were conveying?

[Levani]

Originally Posted by ShadowSamurai365

There's a question that I would like to ask you about that: In the HF cooking scenes, (in your opinion) what do you think the scenes were conveying?

If I saw any value in them, I guess I wouldn't be complaining about it here, huh...

I'd say it tried to show me that Sakura was passionate about Shirou and no matter how she physically feels, she'll be there for him. I get the same message far better with every other scene she has with Emiya though.