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2010-02-07, 22:14
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The red tells us "Furthermore, all of the doors and windows in the 6 rooms are normal" and that "No device exists which can lock them without a key, such as an auto-lock." Much like the chapel, it doesn't actually say they were locked. DISCLAIMER: I do not believe the adults to be guilty of the ep3 First Twilight as I think it is ridiculous and counter to their conflicting motives. However, it is possible, thus making it an "alternate explanation." |
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2010-02-07, 22:26
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Join Date: Jul 2009
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Spoiler for ”Episode 3, First Twilight”:
On the night of the first twilight George was woken up when he heard a slight sound. He slowly opened his eyes and saw Maria sneaking out of the room. He followed Maria until he saw her leave the guesthouse. He then hurried to catch up to her. As soon as went out the door he called out to Maria for her to stop. Maria didn’t stop and started to run away from George instead. George chased her and just when he was about to catch up to her he saw Shannon. George called out to Shannon. Shannon turned around and saw George and Maria. Maria tried to explain to Shannon that she tried to best to sneak out without anyone noticing. Shannon told George that she did it all to change her fate so they could be together. George didn’t understand what she meant and asked what she was talking about. And then... she confessed that she had killed Kanon, Genji, Kumasawa, and Gohda. George couldn’t believe what he heard... was it some kind of a joke? Maria glared at Shannon and said in a childish voice that Shannon didn’t do it, the witch Beatrice did it. Shannon smiled at Maria and said that she was right, the witch Beatrice did it. George really didn’t understand what was going on. Shannon told George that they needed to hurry. Shannon and Maria quickly headed to the mansion and George followed. When they all got inside the mansion Shannon showed George what she had done. She had murdered Genji, Kumasawa, Gohda, and apparently she must have murdered Kinzo as well since she showed George a burnt corpse with six toes in the boiler room. Shannon kept repeating that it was all done to change her fate. George couldn’t believe it. It was like his worst nightmare had come true. He began to cry and begged Shannon to give some kind of justification for all of this that he could understand. Shannon understood but did not want to say it in front of Maria. She asked Maria to begin painting the symbols on the doors. Earlier, Shannon had explained to Maria that Beatrice told her that it needed to be done. Maria left and began painting the symbols on the various doors. As soon as Maria left Shannon pulled out a letter from her pocket and handed it to George. The contents of the letter were as follows: “Among the three mentioned below. In order to gain two, sacrifice one. 1. Your life 2. George’s life 3. Everyone else’s lives If you do not choose one, all of the above will be lost.” The letter was written consistently except for the part where George’s name was written. It appeared as though someone had filled his name into a blank. Spoiler:
Battler never found a letter with Shannon or Kanon’s name in the second option even though he thoroughly searched the entire area. This was the clue used to determine that only one letter ever existed. George asked what the meaning of this letter was and who sent it to her. Shannon told him that she received the letter from Genji. Genji had told her that the letter was inside another letter from the person Shannon had been in contact with for a few years. Genji had also told her that Beatrice’s roulette was how the person was chosen regarding who the letter should be handed to. Shannon also told George that there was never a person’s signature but in the place where a name should have been, a number was written. That number was... 07151129 George begged for her to stop all this crazy talk and starting crying again. He knew that there was no turning back for Shannon now. She was now... a criminal. George tried to think straight but he couldn’t. He continued crying. Shannon hugged him and told him that it will all be ok. Her fate will now be changed with this. After Shannon hugged him George regained some of his composure and began to think. Someone must be threatening Shannon. That’s why she did all of this. She did it for George’s sake. She had chosen the third option and not the first or second. He would have made the same choice if he were in her position. He remembered that she said that she had also killed Kanon but she never showed him Kanon’s corpse. George asked her about Kanon. She explained to him that Kanon, Genji, and Kumasawa were the only other people that knew about the letters she had been receiving from 07151129. Shannon explained that she had killed Kanon very early in the morning of October 4th, well before the boat arrived, and placed his body inside the chapel. Spoiler:
Kanon’s corpse was later found inside the chapel. Out of all the victims of the first twilight only his was found outside the mansion. This was the clue used to determine that Kanon was killed early in the day on October 4th. Shannon told him that there needs to be one more victim for this night. Her target was Nanjo but she said that any person would work for the remaining victim. Maria had just finished painting the symbols on the doors. She was proud of the work she had done and was sure Beatrice would be pleased as well. She overheard George and Shannon talking and listened in on them. Shannon was saying to George: “...and, unfortunately, we will need to place stakes into them to complete the ritual. Rosa should not be a difficult person to isolate...” Maria was in a happy mood but after hearing that she was filled with rage. They were trying to kill her mom? Maria believed that only Beatrice is allowed to choose the victims for the resurrection ceremony. George said he understood everything Shannon was trying to do. He said he will go along with it and is willing to kill anyone that stands in the way of their relationship. He told Shannon that he will take care of Nanjo and that she should stay in the mansion. George left to take care of Nanjo. After George left, Shannon went to the parlor room to pick up the short spear she had used in the first four murders. As she was picking it up and it was pointed her chest, Maria suddenly shoved her from behind. Shannon fell on the short spear and her weight pushed it completely through her chest. Maria yelled at her saying that only Beatrice has the right to choose. She won’t let Shannon hurt her mom. Maria then noticed the short spear that had been pierced into Shannon’s chest. She didn’t know that she had caused Shannon’s death and instead believed that Beatrice had chosen Shannon as the final victim. Maria was able to turn Shannon slightly to one side and pull out the short spear by its handle. The spear had blood all over it but the handle had no blood on it. Maria hid her painting tools in a closet along with the short spear. Maria believed that she was Beatrice’s messenger. Shannon had also told Maria what Beatrice wanted to happen on that night. That’s why she hid her painting tools and the short spear. Maria took the key to the chapel and all five master keys that were in Shannon’s pocket. She also took the envelopes from Shannon’s other pocket. She was careful to keep them in order so that the correct key inside each envelope would be placed in the correct corresponding room. The envelope on the bottom of the stack was empty, unsealed and did not have a key in it yet. Earlier, Shannon had shown her the order in which the envelopes were stacked and told her how Beatrice wanted them to be placed. She placed all of them in her bag. First, Maria went to check to make sure that none of the doors were locked. They were all unlocked. Next, she went back to the first floor parlor and placed the envelope with the key to second floor guest room next to Shannon’s corpse. She also placed a master key in Shannon’s pocket. The door was locked with one of the four remaining master keys from her bag. Next, she went to the second floor guest room and placed the envelope with the key to the third floor waiting room next to Kumasawa’s corpse. She also placed a master key in Kumasawa’s pocket. The door was locked with one of the three remaining master keys from her bag. Next, she went to the third floor waiting room and placed the envelope with the key to the second floor VIP room next to Gohda’s corpse. She also placed a master key in Gohda’s pocket. The door was locked with one of the two remaining master keys from her bag. Next, she went to the second floor VIP room and placed the envelope with the key to the boiler room next to Genji’s corpse. She also placed a master key in Genji’s pocket. The door was locked with the last remaining master key from her bag. Next, she went to the boiler room and locked the door from the inside with the last remaining master key from her bag. She opened the back door to the boiler room and put a wedge in it so that it would not close. Next, she went to the chapel and placed the envelope with the key to the first floor parlor next to Kanon’s corpse. She also placed the final master key in Kanon’s pocket. She then locked the door to the chapel with the chapel key. Next, she went back to the boiler room. Kinzo’s ring and the tools to create a wax seal were inside a large box just like Shannon had told her they would be. Maria placed the chapel key in the empty envelope and created the wax seal using Kinzo’s ring. After using the ring she placed it inside her bag. She also hid the tools used to create the wax seal because she believed that Beatrice would want her to do that. Next, she placed that envelope along with another envelope from her bag near where Kinzo was burned. Finally, she left the boiler room and closed the door behind her. The door that leads to the courtyard from the boiler room cannot be opened from the outside. Therefore, a perfect closed room chain was created. Maria believed that Beatrice would praise all her hard work so she was happy again. She went back to bed after that. Meanwhile... on the way to the guesthouse George looked down at the letter Shannon had handed to him. A part of him was still in denial of what happened. He crumpled up the letter and threw it into a bush. After George reached the guesthouse he found Nanjo attacked him. Nanjo begged for his life and said that he can’t die here because he has a sick granddaughter to take care of. George listened to Nanjo’s story. George remembered Shannon’s words that anyone would be fine for the remaining victim so he decided to spare Nanjo’s life. However, he only spared his life conditionally. He told Nanjo that there would be more victims and if he wants to live he must cooperate. George told him that the victims will need to be staked and where to stake them at. Earlier, Shannon had given George the details on the plan. George told Nanjo where the stakes were hidden and that he couldn’t do it himself because the stakes would be too troublesome for him to carry around. Nanjo will go along with the plan to save his own life. George then heads back to the mansion. If the family conference had ended his plan would be to isolate his mother and eliminate her. He knew how his mom treated Shannon behind his back. She was always in the way between Shannon and him. George went back to the mansion and looked through the window to the dining room. The adults were still there having the conference. He went back to the room where Shannon was to check on her. What was this? The door was locked. He went back outside and looked in the room through the window... !?... Shannon was in there but was not moving. George wanted to break the glass and make sure she was ok. But he had a terrible feeling about what he would find in there. This whole situation had become a nightmare. He can’t go in there. No, he won’t go in there. If he doesn’t go in then the possibility still exists that she’s still ok since he can’t confirm it. He’s no longer in his right mind. This all must be a bad dream for him. That’s the solution. He’ll return to the guesthouse and go to back to sleep. When he wakes up everything will be ok... Spoiler for ”Episode 3, Second Twilight”:
It wasn’t just a bad dream like George had thought it was. The adults confirmed that Shannon was dead in the first floor parlor. George didn’t care about the ritual plan anymore. Shannon was dead. Nothing had any kind of meaning anymore. The adults also confirmed the other corpses and Kanon’s. Jessica’s worst nightmare had come true as well. They decided to move to the guesthouse since it could be fortified and is much more secure than the mansion. Maria had been up almost all night and it showed: Spoiler:
“Maria had gone back to sleep in the sofa Rosa was sitting in. Rather than her having nerves of steel, she probably genuinely hadn’t had enough sleep.” After settling in, the adults worked on the epitaph together. Most of the adults gave up and decided to rest. Eva had an idea went to check in an atlas. Rosa quietly followed her from behind. After Eva found the gold, she left the room and started to head back to the mansion. On the stairs leading back up, Rosa was waiting for her. Rosa congratulated Eva on solving the epitaph and finding the hidden gold. Eva and Rosa returned to the guesthouse. Even though she had found the gold, the marathon conference and the time spent solving the epitaph finally began to take its toll on her. She complained of a headache and went to a room with Hideyoshi to rest. There was some commotion in the hallway and Hideyoshi went to check it out. Eva overheard some of the conversation between Hideyoshi, Maria, and Rosa. Eva thought about her younger sister’s problems. But also realized something else... Isn’t it too much of a coincidence that Rosa was right on the stairs after she left the room where the hidden gold was hidden? Eva looked through the window and saw through the window that Maria and Rosa were now outside and going to look for the rose. After Hideyoshi returned she told him that she was going to use the restroom. Eva thought about going outside to confront Rosa but changed her mind and actually did go to the restroom. Just before the family conference Rudolf had received a letter. It was not signed with a name. In place of a name was the number... 07151129 The letter was strange. It had no kind of postage and appeared as though it was delivered in person. The message inside the letter said that if Battler attended the family conference that he would be killed without fail. Rudolf had ignored this message and thought it was just some kind of prank. However, since six people died it became clear that it was no prank. He wondered why he wasn’t killed but the servants were. He thought of why the person who sent the letter would want Battler to not attend the family conference so badly. Rudolf began to suspect that he would be killed ever since the letter from Beatrice appeared and was read. He wanted to tell Battler the truth about his birth circumstances before he died. Since Maria said she received the letter from Beatrice he wanted to check if there was any other letter hidden in her bag. The opportunity presented itself when Maria had fallen asleep on the sofa and Rosa wasn’t looking. When he looked in Maria’s bag he saw... Kinzo’s ring! It became clear to him that Rosa was involved with Kinzo’s murder and the murder of all the servants. Rosa couldn’t have been directly involved with the murders since she was at the family conference the whole time but maybe she was the one manipulating someone else to do the murders. He has to protect his family. Even though she’s his sister, Kyrie and Battler’s safety comes first. The opportunity came when Rosa and Maria had been searching for the rose in the rose garden and people began to wonder where they were at. Rudolf killed Rosa and was forced to kill Maria as well. He took Kinzo’s ring from Maria’s bag and placed it in his pocket. He also left Rosa’s gun to raise suspicion on Nanjo who was by himself. He’ll try to frame Nanjo when he gets back to the guesthouse. Spoiler:
Beatrice and Ronove’s conversation while Battler wasn’t around seems to point the fact that Eva was not responsible for the second twilight. Spoiler for ”Episode 3, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Twilights”:
Rudolf confirmed the deaths of Rosa and Maria in the rose garden. Rosa and Maria’s corpses were moved to a room in the guest house and it was sealed. Since Nanjo was threatened by George earlier to place stakes into all the victims he needed to remain a presence in the shadows and look for opportunities. He felt that since George spared his life that he could move around and place the stakes into the victims without worrying about being killed. Hideyoshi test fired Rosa’s gun to confirm that Rosa never fired any bullets. Rosa was killed by someone she knew since she let her guard down. Kyrie asked for everyone’s alibis. Everyone’s alibis seemed solid but Kyrie is incredibly smart. She knew Hideyoshi could easily be lying. Also, she found it strange the Rudolf would suggest that Nanjo jumped out the window, did the crime, and climbed back up the drain pipe to his room. She told Rudolf she wanted to go outside. They planned the mission to get food and went to the mansion. Once Rudolf, Hideyoshi, and Kyrie got to the mansion she began to question them both. Rudolf was being elusive with his answers and Kyrie noticed it. She quickly reached into his pocket to check if he was hiding something. Unfortunately, he was... At first Kyrie didn’t recognize it but then she remembered a few years ago when she met with Kinzo. It was definitely his ring! She slammed the ring down onto the epitaph under the portrait where the ring would lay for a good while without anyone noticing... Rudolf tried to explain that he had gotten the letter from 07151129 and he wasn’t involved with Kinzo’s murder and he had to protect his family and... Kyrie couldn’t believe it and slapped him. He tried to explain things but she slapped him again. Hideyoshi was standing a few feet away from both of them and was yelling for them to stop. Rudolf noticed that Hideyoshi had raised his gun at him. He knocked Kyrie away and pointed the gun back at Hideyoshi. Kyrie hit her head when she fell to the ground and was knocked unconscious. Both men were yelling loudly at each other and weren’t listening to what the other was trying to say. When one of them flinched they both fired their guns at the same time. The wounds were instantly fatal for both men. When Rudolf, Hideyoshi, and Kyrie had left to go to the mansion they were noticed by Nanjo who was watching the area from his window. Earlier he had gone to were the stakes were hidden and hid all of them inside his room. He suspected that at least one of them might become a victim so he escaped from the guesthouse with three of the stakes. He made it to the mansion and, as he expected, Rudolf, Hideyoshi, and Kyrie appeared to be victims. He didn’t waste time checking their condition. He placed the three stakes into them and noticed that there were two guns left at the scene. Nanjo grabbed both the guns for his protection. Kyrie slowly regained consciousness and saw Nanjo leaving. She looked down at her stomach and, to her horror; a stake had been placed in it. When having a stake in your stomach is not your biggest problem you know you’re in deep shit. Kyrie saw that Rudolf had been killed with a stake in his forehead. She believed that Nanjo was responsible for it. She had to think clearly. Battler was still alive and needed to be protected. She decided that when the others come and find the bodies that she will fake her death and wait for an opportunity to kill Nanjo. The others came and confirmed the bodies on the ground. Kyrie did a good job at faking her death. No one noticed. As soon as they all left Kyrie pulled the stake out and wrapped the wound to prevent further blood loss. It was difficult and painful for her to move but she was motivated to protect Battler. She looked down at Rudolf’s corpse and shed tears. She couldn’t understand why he would be involved with something like this. Out of anger she went outside the mansion and threw the stake as far as she could. It was thrown a considerable ways away from the mansion. That helped her calm down a bit and she was thinking clearly again. She needed to find a weapon. Kyrie searched throughout the mansion and found a spear like weapon which could also be concealed behind her back. She remembered some of Rudolf’s last words. He said that he had received a letter from 07151129? This had to be some kind of important clue. She decided to paint the number on one of the doors in case she didn’t have the opportunity to pass the clue on to anyone else. With her wound it would be too difficult to attempt to make it back to the guesthouse. Nanjo would probably return at some point. The best plan would be to pretend to be dead again. She lied back down in the position she had fallen unconscious at. The weapon was hidden behind her. This time she was armed and would be waiting for him. Spoiler for ”Episode 3, Seventh and Eighth Twilights”:
George wondered why was it that people had to die. Jessica responded saying that it is always difficult to say goodbye. She believed that Kinzo had probably grown obsessed with the occult to revive his mistress Beatrice. George said that if he was reunited with the one who had already passed away he was happy. Battler asked where Nanjo was. Jessica said that he was in the next room. George then remembered about Nanjo. He had told him to place the stakes into the victims according to Shannon’s plan. ...? Was Nanjo involved with his father’s death? He needed to question him. He told Battler and Jessica that he was going to get coffee and went to see Nanjo. George asked Nanjo about Rudolf, Hideyoshi, and Kyrie. Nanjo said he had nothing to do with it and that he only placed the stakes like George had asked him to do. George believed him. He remembered that there was no way he could have killed Shannon. That’s when George realized it. It had to have been someone from the mansion. Perhaps it was one or more of the adults who took a break during the conference. Could it have been his mom? He couldn’t deny the possibility because of how she treated Shannon behind his back. However, that didn’t line up with the deaths of the three in the mansion. He knew there’s no way his mom would kill Hideyoshi. Then was it a different adult? Natsuhi consistently treated Shannon and the rest of the servants like furniture. In fact, where were Natsuhi and Krauss when the three were killed in the mansion? ... They said that they had remained in the guesthouse but does that make sense? A killer was on the loose and they decided to split up and head to the guesthouse? What if it was all masterminded by Krauss and Natsuhi who set up the closed rooms with the servants, Kinzo, and Shannon to frame the rest of the adults? It made sense because George knew that the adults were cornering Krauss for money and this could have been a way to frame them with the murders to get out of that situation. The fact that the deaths of the servants, Kinzo and Shannon occurred during the family conference would raise suspicion on everyone except Krauss and Natsuhi since they could have killed them at any time prior to the conference. Then after they realized that the frame job would probably not work due to everyone’s alibis they decided to take care of the rest of the adults and make it look like some unknown culprit was involved. It all made sense to George. He knew that his mom would probably be the next target. George asked Nanjo for two of the stakes which Nanjo then handed to him. He also pulled off a thin wire off from the closet. It was a weapon he could easily wind up and conceal in his pocket without anyone noticing. George asked Nanjo if he had a master key. Nanjo had taken one earlier since he was inspecting all the corpses so he handed it to George. George then asked for Nanjo to follow him and close and lock the window behind him. George opened window and threw the stakes down to an area that would not interfere with his landing. Then George jumped out the window. Nanjo closed the window behind him. George then went out to the arbor of the rose garden and placed the two stakes on the ground. The stakes would act as a distraction so he could back attack them. George returned to the guesthouse and knocked on the front door. Krauss and Natsuhi opened the door and were shocked to see him outside. They asked him how he got outside. He told them that he had found where the culprit was hiding. Krauss, who was armed with a gun, and Natsuhi followed him to the arbor of the rose garden. George asked for them to look at what he had found. Krauss leaned over and looked at the two stakes on the ground and was puzzled. As soon he did that, George took out the wire from his pocket and began to strangle Krauss. Krauss dropped his gun and reached his own neck while choking to death. Natsuhi screamed at George to stop and went to pick up the gun. Before Natsuhi could reach it, George was able to kick it away into a rose bush. Natsuhi tried to pull George away but it was too late. Krauss fell to the ground dead. George then began to strangle Natsuhi. Natsuhi could not believe that it would all end here. Natsuhi had been a faithful wife her entire life and always did her best to protect the honor of the family... ... George remained silent for a while. Less than 24 hours ago this was the exact place where he had offered Shannon all of his heart and proposed to her. Now, Shannon was gone and the scene had become one of death and carnage. George swelled up with sadness and anger. He cried out and he plunged the stakes into the legs of Natsuhi and Krauss in the way that Shannon had told him to do earlier. He wanted to see Shannon’s face one more time. He left the arbor and headed towards the mansion... Spoiler for ”Episode 3, George and Nanjo”:
George entered the mansion. When he reached the door to where Shannon was he couldn’t believe what he saw. 07151129 George thought he was alone so he spoke to himself out loud. Who in the world out of the remaining people island would also know about 07151129? Kyrie remained lying on the ground since it was only George at not Nanjo like she was expecting. She was starting to feel the effects of her blood loss. When she heard George’s comment all she could think about was protecting Battler and that George somehow knew about 07151129. George unlocked the door with his key and entered the room. As he did that, he looked down at his chest to find that the weapon that Kyrie had been holding was now sticking through his back and out his chest. Kyrie pulled it out of him. George didn’t even look back to see who did it. He had to see Shannon’s face one more time. He dropped the key that he was holding and slowly staged towards Shannon and then fell to the ground. The last thing he saw... was Shannon’s face. Kyrie knew about George and Shannon but she had to protect Battler. She closed the door and locked it with the key that George had dropped so that it became a tomb for the couple. Kyrie went back to her position on the ground. She was starting to lose consciousness. She wondered if she should have gone after Nanjo instead of waiting for him. After that, Eva, Jessica, Battler, and Nanjo found the corpses of Natsuhi and Krauss. Jessica had lost her parents in the worst way possible and began to cry. After a short while she was filled with rage and wanted revenge. At that point Jessica would kill anyone who remained on the island who could be associated with her parents and Kanon’s murder. Eva began to worry about George and raced towards the mansion. They were all right behind her. Nanjo, Eva, Battler, Jessica reached the door with the number on it. They both were completely puzzled by it. Battler commented how the first part was the same as his birthday while Eva wrote the number down. Kyrie was still on the floor but had become completely dazed and was close to losing consciousness. She heard Battler’s comment about the date and the number. She wanted to stand up and let them know she was still alive but her body was no longer under control and she was about to lose consciousness. Eva tried to open the door but it was locked. Eva unlocked the door with her key and they entered the room. To their horror, George was dead next to Shannon with a massive chest wound. Eva had now lost her entire family. Overwhelmed by sadness, she cried for the loss of her only son. Suddenly, Jessica yelled at Eva while Nanjo was trying to restrain her. She had realized that Eva was probably downstairs when he parents were killed. Eva needed to die. Jessica made a move at Eva which caused her to react and accidently fire a shot that grazed Jessica’s face. She was instantly blinded by it. Eva didn’t mean to fire she just reacted. Nanjo took Jessica into the other room to treat her wound. Kyrie was on death’s doorstep. She thought of Battler and tried to remember his last words. 07151129... Battler’s birthday... !?... When she put the two together she suddenly understood what it meant and who was behind all of this. Renewed by rage and envy she had not felt in six years, she rose to her feet. After treating Jessica’s wound Nanjo headed towards the hallway. Just before Nanjo was able to leave the servant’s room Kyrie appeared in front of him. Kyrie did need to move any closer to Nanjo or even take a step into the servant’s room. Nanjo was already in point blank range. She stabbed him right through his eye. Nanjo fell to the ground and died. Kyrie recalled that she had heard Battler’s voice and stumbled towards another room. Unfortunately Kyrie had gone in the opposite direction from where Battler and Eva were. She went into an empty room. Jessica was completely defenseless since she was blind. Then Kanon’s ghost appeared. Kanon asked M’lady to stand so she could escape from the room. Jessica refused. As long as Kanon continued to call her M’lady she could not trust him. Kanon asked Jessica to stand. Kanon guided Jessica to another room. Jessica would not feel any fear, even up until her final moments. Back regarding Eva and Battler... After Jessica had already left, they had returned to the servant’s room only to find Nanjo’s corpse. They called out for Jessica and ran to the front of the parlor. Kyrie had heard their voices and came out to see them. Battler and Eva looked over and saw Kyrie. At first Battler thought it was a ghost. Eva was completely shocked as well... until she saw the weapon that Kyrie was holding... !?... She had murdered George! Without a second of hesitation Eva aimed the gun at Kyrie and fired. Kyrie was sent flying backward. The weapon she was holding in one hand and the key she was holding in the other went in opposite directions away from her. (Eva shooting Kyrie probably occurred because what lead Battler to suddenly accuse Eva in a later on was never shown) Kyrie had fought to the very end. However, the last thing she saw as she looked over at the other door was... 07151129... it was unbelievable... for six years she had thought she had won... in the end, she knew she had lost... Battler couldn’t believe what had just occurred before his eyes. At this moment, Eva began to spin a red spider web around where Battler was. Of course, it wasn’t literally a red spider web but Battler was in a state of shock where he could not move. Battler stared at Eva in disbelief. She had just killed Kyrie in front of his eyes. He then accused Eva of being the culprit. Eva had put everything together. Battler’s family was responsible for everything in her eyes. However, she had the gun and not him. Eva laughed and commented how it took him too long to notice. Then she shot him in the chest. In Battler’s last moments, he realized without a doubt that she was a murderer. And not just for killing him... Eva couldn’t believe that her family was completely gone. The only thing she had left was the gold. Eva left the room and entered the hallway. She stood in front of Beatrice’s portrait and looked down at the epitaph she had worked so hard to solve. Kinzo’s ring was on it. After everything that had happened during this day she was not even surprised by it. She took the ring and put it on her finger. As the corpses of the entire Ushiromiya family lay scattered throughout the island of Rokkenjima, only Eva remained standing. She was now the head of the family... but at what cost... She left the mansion and went to the old well behind the mansion. Apparently, the device she had operated earlier at the chapel did not need to be used again since there was no cover on the well. She climbed down the well just as she had done earlier. When she got to the bottom she was about to take the stairs down again but she there were two ways to go at the bottom of the well. She had not taken the incredibly long tunnel the last time she was down here. She decided to take it this time to see where it would go...
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I'll give an example using Kinzo's study. You enter the study and shut the door behind you. Someone else now tries to enter the room. They cannot because the door is locked and they lack the key. You can open it for them. Now, let's say you are in the boiler room. Someone else tries to enter from the back door, they cannot because the door is locked and they cannot open it from that direction. You can open it for them. Can you not see the similarity here? The doors function in the exact same manner. Last edited by Smeckledorf; 2010-02-08 at 01:07. |
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Spoiler for ”Episode 4, before the first twilight”:
The ocean was a beautiful deep blue to her, even when it gets cloudy. The man who she had asked to come to the beach had arrived. The first thing she asked him for was the color of the ocean. It was a question she had asked him before. He responded saying that it was a vague, dark-gray color. He asked her why she wanted to meet on the beach so early in the morning. She thought about simply showing him the letter and letting him choose for himself. But, somehow, she had a strange feeling that she had done that many times before in distant worlds and nothing turned out right. Instead she asked him what he would choose if he were forced to do so. He answered her directly saying they are both furniture. Even if they had received names and were treated as humans, to him, they were simply born that way. She responded back saying that they are not furniture. She told him that by the single element of this world they can become normal humans as well. He thought about the three hypothetical choices she had presented to him. He then hesitated and finally gave a response. He would want to know if the other person were resolute in which option they would choose first. She understood why he would answer that way. It’s much easier to confess your own feelings of love to someone who you know would accept them. She was completely resolute in which option she would choose. She realized that these choices should be presented to everyone involved. This would be a test for everyone. She told him that their original plans would be changed. He wanted to know if Beatrice had contacted her again. She told him that the tests had to be given to Jessica, George, Battler, and Maria. She explained the details to him as they went back to the mansion. When they got back to the mansion she applied a wax seal on the letter and placed it inside a box. She thought that the blank second choice would be perfectly appropriate for ”his” test... After the boat arrived the cousins were in the guesthouse and the adults had moved to the mansion. Kanon was listening in on the various conversations the adults were having in private. He didn’t hear anything too unusual until he listened in on Rudolf and Kyrie’s conversation. Rudolf had received a letter just before they left for the conference from someone who used the alias 07151129. ...!? That was the same person that he and Shannon had been in contact with. Kanon listened very closely to their conversation. The letter threatened Rudolf saying that he would be killed without fail if Battler attended the family conference. The letter was strange. It had no postage and it appeared as though someone had dropped it off in person. At first Rudolf had thought it was some kind of prank and kept quiet about it. He later decided to let Kyrie know about it. Kyrie wondered who would do that kind of thing and why would they want Battler to not come to the island? Kyrie had an idea. If they could fake a mass murder on the island then perhaps the culprit who was after Rudolf’s life would be forced out of hiding. She thought about telling Rudolf of this plan but decided not to. Maybe... it’s a plan that would only work in another world... Kyrie decided to talk about Kinzo again. She was sure that he was already dead. More importantly, she was convinced that the servants were in on it. They would need to plan accordingly for this. After Kanon heard this he felt that everything he and Shannon had planned would be in jeopardy. He left to talk to Shannon in private. Kanon told Shannon everything he heard. Shannon told Kanon that she already knew that Rudolf’s life had been threatened. They discussed a new strategy that would take advantage of Kyrie’s knowledge of Kinzo’s death. Later on, Kanon met Maria in the Rose garden and handed her a letter. He told her that Beatrice wanted everyone to know that this was a special letter from Kinzo himself... Shannon went to Kyrie and asked to speak with her in private. She confessed to Kyrie that Krauss, Natsuhi, Nanjo, and all the servants were hiding the truth about Kinzo. Shannon looked down as if she had been taken advantage of. Kyrie told her not to worry and that she won’t be forced to do anything like that anymore. She asked Shannon to confess this to everyone at the conference and told her not to worry again, she will have her back. As Kyrie turned her back and left Shannon slowly raised her head... There was a slightly evil smile... Spoiler for ”Episode 4, First Twilight”:
At the family conference everyone was served tea by Shannon. She had lied to Gohda and Kumasawa, telling them that everyone wanted to be served an appetizer. Instead of confirming this with the adults, Gohda immediately went to work on his finest dish. Kumasawa believed Shannon and helped Gohda with the preparations. Shannon did an exceptionally good job serving the tea and made no mistakes. She had Nanjo taste some of the tea first and made sure that Krauss and Kyrie were served their tea well before the other adults. After Shannon saw that everyone had taken a sip of the tea she unexpectedly stepped forward and spoke. She confessed the truth about Kinzo to everyone present. Natsuhi quickly jumped out of her chair and said it was preposterous! Krauss said the same thing and said that Shannon had no proof of this. Kyrie and Rudolf were quick to fire back. Shannon had approached them in private about this and it was very brave of her to do so in their eyes. Eva jumped in as well. Krauss no longer had any place being the head of the family in her eyes. Hideyoshi said that Eva should be made the new head of the family at this very instant. Rosa could not believe her older brother had kept this kind of secret and expressed her shame. Everyone was yelling at each other. Then Shannon said, in a voice that was louder than her normal one, that she had proof. No one listened to her though. Shannon went into the hall and motioned for Kanon to come in. Kanon entered pushing a large cart. On it... was... Kinzo’s corpse! Everyone quickly turned around and was completely disgusted with the sight of their dead grandfather. The shock of seeing it made Rosa want to throw up. Genji asked them what in the world they thought they were doing. Shannon apologized to everyone. She said that the letter that Maria had received from ‘Kinzo’ was from a real person pretending to be Kinzo. She explained how she and Kanon were being threatened to do this by that person. Everyone knew that Shannon and Kanon were not capable of planning something like this on their own. They all acknowledged the existence of some ‘Kinzo’ who was forcing them to do this. Kyrie asked her what this ‘Kinzo’ wanted but began to feel lightheaded and couldn’t think straight. Natsuhi yelled at Shannon and said this was a complete disgrace. However, she noticed that her husband was holding his head as if he had a massive headache. Natsuhi asked him if he was feeling ok. Nanjo also began to feel dizzy. Shannon told them that they all needed to remain here for a short while and that ‘Kinzo’ would make his appearance soon. Nanjo feel to the ground and lost consciousness. The tea had contained some kind of drug! A few seconds later, Krauss fell to the ground as well. Natsuhi shook her husband and asked what was wrong. Kyrie lost consciousness as well. Rudolf held her and asked if she was ok. Suddenly, Shannon and Kanon pulled out guns from below the cart. Genji attacked Kanon and wrestled him for the gun. Unfortunately for Shannon and Kanon, they had been expecting this. Shannon and Kanon both said goodbye to Genji who they had always looked up to. Shannon blew half his head away and loaded the next bullet. When Rudolf and Hideyoshi saw this they both attacked. Shannon and Kanon aimed their guns and shot both of them dead before they could get close. They both loaded their next bullets. Eva screamed and went for her husband. Kanon shot her just as she reached Hideyoshi’s corpse. He loaded the next bullet. Natsuhi’s whole body was shaking while she was hugging Krauss who was unconscious. It was all she could do in her current state. Shannon pointed the gun at Natsuhi’s head as Natsuhi stared blankly back at her. Shannon had prepared for this day for years. Even though she had prepared for so long she could not look at Natsuhi’s eyes. Shannon closed her eyes and fired. Natsuhi fell to the side away from her husband. Rosa suddenly attacked Shannon with a chair and knocked the gun out of her hands. It was a very brave move. Unfortunately, Kanon quickly reacted and shot Rosa before she could do anything else. Shannon and Kanon expected that Gohda and Kumasawa would come soon. They hid their guns and the shell casings and went into the hallway. Gohda and Kumasawa were already there. Apparently, they did not know what to do and were afraid to enter. Shannon pretended to be just as frightened as Kumasawa and said someone was in the room claiming to be Kinzo. She also said that person was disguising as Kinzo and that they summoned bunny girls who were killing everyone with magic golden arrows. Kanon said they were using magic and created pitfalls and that sucked people into them. Gohda and Kumasawa peaked into the room and saw all the corpses. They screamed and immediately ran back into the hallway. Kanon had reentered the room and made a noise as if he was getting sucked into a black hole. He was out of Gohda and Kumasawa’s view and they were too scared to try to help him. Shannon was in the doorway and partially in their view. She looked at Kanon and yelled his name. She reached her arm into the room, out of Gohda and Kumasawa’s view, and Kanon yanked her into the room as she screamed. As soon as Gohda and Kumasawa saw that they ran for their lives. Shannon had landed on top of Kanon. They smiled at each other and helped each other back to their feet. They moved the cart with Kinzo’s corpse to the boiler room. Shannon had the key to Kinzo’s study. After that, they moved Krauss, Nanjo, and Kyrie’s bodies to a guest room. It was a closed room with the door being the only method of entry and exit. There is a chain lock on the door. Earlier, Kanon had also placed a telephone in this room with an extension cord and also replaced the light with a weak bulb. Spoiler:
It’s the same secure room that Krauss showed Natsuhi the gold bar in episode 1, without the gold bar in it. Shannon and Kanon took their guns from the dining room, reloaded the ammunition and went to the guest room. Spoiler for ”Episode 4, before the second twilight”:
It was a pitch black room. There were no windows, and with a weak light bulb, one could just barely make out the state of things around them. Kyrie regained consciousness and asked where she was. Krauss said he did not know. He wondered if it was a place underneath the mansion. He asked Shannon and Kanon if either of them knew about this room. Krauss did not know that Shannon was not in the room at that moment. Kanon answered saying that they did not know of the room. Kyrie said, “..............Really...?”. Now that Kyrie was fully conscious and thinking straight she would not have found it odd that, as servants allowed to wear the One-winged Eagle, they might know of the mansion’s secret tricks. Kanon asked for both of them to remain quiet. He told them that ‘Kinzo’ was right outside the room holding Shannon hostage and was listening to everything that they were saying. Since Krauss could not see where the door was he yelled in every direction asking for the culprits to show themselves. Shannon answered from the other side of the door. She told them that she was there and was ok. She said that someone was disguising as Kinzo and wanted for her to relay his messages since he had no intention of revealing his identity. Krauss asked Shannon to ask ‘Kinzo’ what it was that he wanted. Shannon told them that ‘Kinzo’ said they have all lost the right to become the head of the family. They would become sacrifices for a ceremony to revive the golden witch Beatrice. The first twilight’s victims had already been chosen. Genji, Natsuhi, Rudolf, Eva, Hideyoshi, and Rosa had been selected by the key. Krauss and Kyrie ran to the door where Shannon’s voice was coming from and tried to force it open. It was no use. The chain lock was firmly set and the door would not even move an inch. Kyrie pleaded through the door for Rudolf and Battler to remain unharmed. She was willing to do anything ‘Kinzo’ asks. Shannon responded saying that it was too late for Rudolf. Kanon also confirmed that when he said he was forced to view the bodies. He said that there was no doubt that the six people that were mentioned were no longer alive. Krauss silently said his wife’s name while Kyrie shed tears. Shannon told them that ‘Kinzo’ was not there at the moment but said he would return shortly. She said that he had a weapon and told her not to move from the door. If anyone tried to escape she said that ‘Kinzo’ told her that the children would be targeted. Shannon then said that she wondered if the children were safe. Krauss said that all they could do is pray. He also mentioned that Kumasawa and Gohda weren’t there. Shannon said that perhaps they were able to get away safely. When she remembered their terrified looks she smiled bitterly a little. Nanjo spoke and said that it would be a relief if they were able to meet up with the children. Kyrie said, “what ‘father’ carried out in the dining hall was... the six murders of the first twilight from the witch’s epitaph right? Then, the second twilight is to ‘tear apart the two who are close’. We can’t deny the possibility that Gohda and Kumasawa may have been killed after escaping together. We can’t cling to the optimistic idea that they definitely got to the guesthouse and are protecting the children.” Kyrie had overcame her sadness with the parental urge to protect children from sorrow. It seemed that both Kyrie and Krauss were strong enough to forget about their grief, if only for the time being... Nanjo said he was sorry that he could not be of any use. Kyrie said, “Then lend us your expertise as a doctor. I wonder if there is a drug that makes people instantly faint.” Shannon became worried by Kyrie’s words. She said, “A drug that makes people instantly faint? What are you talking about?” Kyrie said that she believed that they fell through a pit and landed in the room. She said, “In that panic stricken place, that’s what we believed happened. But I measured the breadth of this room and came to a realization.” Kyrie said she knew that it could not be underneath the dining hall. Shannon realized that it may have been a bad choice to let Kyrie survive the first twilight. She said, “Why do you say it cannot?” Kanon stepped in and called her an idiot. He said that if you compare it to the dining hall it’s too narrow. Kanon had realized that Shannon was being too combative of Kyrie’s deductions. He felt that if she continued to speak that way they might catch on that they were behind this. Krauss agreed and said, “Surely, we can’t explain it with a pitfall. What a strange tale.” Shannon did not catch on to why Kanon had called her an idiot. She thought he was ruining the plan. She said, “What does that have to do with the drug that makes people instantly faint that Kyrie was talking about?” Strangely Kanon and Shannon were not on the same page even though they had planned this for a long time. Kanon said, “Kyrie is probably thinking that there were no pitfalls in the dining hall, correct?” Krauss said, “But in reality, we fell.” Kyrie said, “To put it accurately, we had the feeling that we fell into a pit. Obviously. That’s the only way we can describe that experience.” Nanjo said, “I see. In other words, this is what you want to say... We did not fall through a pit. We were attacked with something like a blowdart, for example, and lost consciousness instantly. It could be that we just remember the instant we fell to the floor as though it were falling through a pit...” Kanon and Shannon had a backup plan that would ensure that the only explanation could be a pitfall. Kanon asked Shannon if she had a watch. Shannon was trying to come up with some kind of counter argument to Kyrie’s suggestion that they were drugged. When she heard Kanon’s question she realized what he was trying to say. They didn’t know that they had been moved while unconscious to a room that was actually not that far away inside the mansion. She grinned and said that the time was about 10:40pm. She thought to herself how it was now checkmate for Kyrie. Kanon said, “Yes. My watch says the same. In short, it hasn’t been more than ten minutes since that uproar in the dining hall.” Krauss said, “My watch is the same. That’s too short a time to knock us out and carry us somewhere. Judging only from the time, it’s appropriate to assume that we did fall through a hole leading directly underneath the dining hall.” Kyrie said, “They can tamper with the watch hands as much as they want... while we were passed out, they may have wound everyone’s watches back. We are incapable of proving that this possibility doesn’t exist.” Shannon wanted to open the door and blow Kyrie’s head off. Nanjo said, “Whether a pitfall, or else a drug that induces fainting... it does not change the fact that we need to be on guard...” Kyrie said, “Well then, Doctor Nanjo? Is there a drug that can do that?” Nanjo said, “Well... it’s the same as your logic, Kyrie... I cannot prove that there is not a drug with that effect of which I do not know.” To Shannon’s relief, Kyrie finally gave up questioning whether or not a pitfall existed. Shannon then decided that it was time to mention that it looked like a phone line went into the room from under the door. Kanon said that he had just found what he thought could be a phone. They tried to call the police first but could not get through. Then they tried to call the guesthouse. They were able to get through. Gohda answered the phone and handed it to Jessica. She asked about her mom. Krauss said he did not know and just wanted to pray that she was safe. Everyone took their turns on the phone. Kyrie spoke with Battler. Shannon spoke to George with Kanon relaying the messages between them. Kanon spoke to Jessica. Nanjo spoke to Kumasawa. Spoiler:
The line says: “and when Shannon and Kanon got their turn, George and Jessica answered.” Therefore, Shannon and Kanon’s turn was a single turn where only Kanon spoke and George and Jessica answered. Krauss told them to defend themselves in the guesthouse and ended the phone call. A short while later... Shannon told them that ‘Kinzo’ had returned. She said that ‘Kinzo’ wanted to test the grandchildren to see if any of them had the qualifications to become the new head of the family. Shannon told Krauss to call the guesthouse and inform them of this. Jessica answered the phone. After hearing about the test from her father she asked what they should do. Krauss asked what they should do. Shannon told him that Kinzo said they needed to lock Gohda and Kumasawa in the gardening storehouse in the rose garden. Krauss relayed the orders to lock up Gohda and Kumasawa... Kyrie started to become suspicious of Shannon. She asked Shannon to ask Kinzo what kind of test he was planning. After she did that she put her ear to the door and listened very carefully. Shannon said it was a simple test. She said they just needed to show their resolve. Kyrie did not hear anyone tell Shannon to say that. At that moment, she began to realize that there was no one pretending to be Kinzo on the other side of the door... However, even if that were true, that doesn’t help her situation. After Krauss hung up the phone the cousins locked Gohda and Kumasawa in the shed with the key inside. After the cousins returned to the guesthouse Kyrie called them again. George answered and handed the phone to Battler. Kyrie had a strong suspicion that Shannon was involved with this but she didn’t know if others were assisting her. She told Battler that the tests would in the order: Jessica, George, Battler and then Maria. Shannon said that Jessica’s test would be in her own room. Kyrie told Jessica about her test and then ended the call. Then Jessica headed off to her own room, as designated... After the call ended Shannon cut the cord, wound it up and threw it away. Shannon unlocked the chain and opened the door. Their eyes were not accustomed to the light. It appeared as though Shannon’s entire form was surrounded by a golden aura. Kanon approached her and she handed him a gun. They bowed, closed the door, and reset the chain lock. After Kanon left the three of them realized that they had been tricked. Kanon went to Jessica’s room. After this day, he believed would no longer be furniture. By the single element of this world... Shannon went to another room with a phone and called the guesthouse. Maria answered and handed the phone to George. Shannon told George to wait in the arbor in the rose garden. George understood and went to that location. Shannon got another gun which she had planned to give to George. She left through the back door of the mansion to avoid running into Jessica... Spoiler for ”Episode 4, Second Twilight (Part 1)”:
Jessica was almost at the mansion. She was told that her test would be in her room. She had no idea what was ahead of her but she had to pay back the bastard who killed her mom. Out of the corner of her eye she saw someone running around the edge of the area in front of the mansion. It completely startled her and she was about to scream but then she realized... ...that it was Shannon! Jessica called out to Shannon but apparently she was too far away. She wondered how Shannon could have escaped. If everyone somehow managed to escape already then screw the damn test. She followed after Shannon. Jessica followed Shannon all the way to the rose garden and was about to call out to her again but before she did she saw... Shannon handing George a gun?!? Shannon had a gun as well. They had two guns. If Shannon had just escaped how could she have already gotten two guns? And why was she alone? Jessica had a very bad feeling about this. To Jessica, George looked as if he were yelling at Shannon. She had never seen George act like that in front of Shannon. No, she had never seen George act like that before, period. She decided to sneak up closer to them behind the rose bushes to listen in on their conversation... Shannon was speaking too softly and Jessica could only make out a few words. Then George spoke in a loud and clear enough voice that Jessica could hear. “...then we’ll test everyone. There’s no need for any more murders...” That was all Jessica needed to hear. She was sure that George was the mastermind behind all of this. He forced Shannon and the others to do all of this. He had them... kill her mom... Jessica shed a few tears remembering how Kumasawa had described that her mom was definitely dead. Then she became enraged. Kanon and her dad were still prisoners and needed to be rescued. She waited behind the rose bushes for some kind of opportunity. George couldn’t believe it when Shannon had told him everything. There was something odd about the person who Shannon said had sent her letters using the alias 07151129. Why would this person persuade Shannon to execute this elaborate ritual to revive Beatrice and then send a letter with those three choices on the day that everything was planned to happen? It’s almost as if that person were saying... “Forget about everything that was planned... the family is beyond hope... that which you choose will be all that matters in the end...” Understanding the motive of the one behind all of this is not something that can be done without love. George was able to see it and understood Shannon’s choice. It’s a choice that he would have made if he were in her position. George asked Shannon for some time alone so he could think about things. Shannon told him there was not much time. After speaking with George she thought that maybe she could reach the golden land without having to finish the ceremony. She still needed to test Battler though. Shannon told George that she would free Kumasawa and Gohda and send them to the guesthouse. She asked George to bring them to the mansion before Battler’s test. Shannon knew that she would have her hands full with Kyrie so she left Gohda and Kumasawa to George. She then left to go to the gardening shed to free Gohda and Kumasawa. George put the gun on the ground and thought about Shannon’s words. Then, out of nowhere, Jessica landed a flying jump kick that sent George out of the arbor. She picked up the gun. George quickly got back to his feet and went to grab the gun away from Jessica. Jessica knew that George could easily overpower her. She reacted and fired the gun. George was shot in the forehead and died instantly. Jessica realized what she had just done and began to cry. Shannon had arrived at the shed and knocked on the door. Earlier, she had placed two stakes inside the shed and prepared for them to be victims. She decided to change her plan slightly after talking with George. Gohda and Kumasawa were glad she had somehow escaped. Through the window Gohda gave Shannon the shed key to release them. After the door was opened they were shocked to see that Shannon was holding a gun. They asked her what was going on. Shannon told them that unfortunately ‘Kinzo’ is still in charge. She said that everyone was being held in a secret underground passage through the old well behind the mansion. She told them that ‘Kinzo’ was prepared to use magic to instantly split anyone’s head open who didn’t follow his orders. Gohda and Kumasawa asked what they should do. She told them that it would be in their best interest to return to the guesthouse. She closed the door to the shed and placed the padlock but did not lock it in case they needed to use the shed again. She didn’t want to go through the trouble of sending the key. With George’s help she knew that things would probably go much more smoothly... Gohda and Kumasawa left for the guesthouse and Shannon went to the mansion. On the way to the guesthouse Gohda and Kumasawa saw Jessica. They approached only to see that she was next to... George’s corpse! Jessica quickly turned around and demanded to know it was. She was pointing the gun at them. Gohda and Kumasawa didn’t know what to think of what they saw. Jessica couldn’t believe it. There was no way those two could have gotten out of the shed. They friggin’ warped through a wall or something?? While Gohda was trying to talk, Kumasawa said that everyone was being held in a secret underground passage through the old well behind the mansion. Gohda was speaking at the same time and said that people who went against orders were getting their heads split open. Jessica couldn’t understand them speaking at the same time. She yelled for everyone to shut up and pointed the gun at them at them again. Gohda and Kumasawa took off running. They thought that the guesthouse was probably not the safest place to be. Shannon arrived at the mansion. She took the box that contained the letter with the three choices and placed it in front of the mansion in preparation for Battler’s test. She then went to the room that was locked with a chain... Kanon had been waiting for Jessica but she still had not shown up. He decided to go look for her. He left the mansion and headed towards the guesthouse. On the way to the guesthouse Kanon ran into Gohda and Kumasawa. He pointed the gun at them and told them not to move. How did they get out of the shed, he thought. The plan was that they were supposed to be kept locked up so that they could not interfere. He decided to put them back in the shed but didn’t have the key. Kanon thought of a way to keep them in the shed. When they got to the shed Kanon noticed that the padlock was not locked. He opened the door to the shed and ordered Gohda to make two nooses. He then ordered Gohda and Kumasawa to put the nooses around their necks. They were still able to stand so it wasn’t strangling them. Kanon closed the door to the shed but did not lock the padlock. Jessica couldn’t believe what all those crazy guys had made her do. It wasn’t her fault that George died. There was nothing she could do here anymore. Gohda had mentioned that everyone was being held under the old well so she went there. Meanwhile... Shannon had unset the chain and opened the door. She told Kyrie to come out. No one but Shannon spoke. It was clear that Kyrie had completely convinced them that Shannon and Kanon were behind all of this. After Kyrie exited the room Shannon reset the chain lock. Kyrie said she would do as Shannon asked but had a simple question for her... Why? Shannon paused and then said her, “You were not around when it happened so it does not concern you.” ... Six years ago, Shannon had visited Battler. She had developed feelings for him and wanted to see him. She was able to get permission to go with Kumasawa to visit Battler’s home. When she got there they played together like all kids their age do. He would say things to her like: if she were ever in trouble he would come to save her on a white horse. Things like that made Shannon blush and she enjoyed spending time with Battler. However, there was another side to her that she never showed to anyone but Kumasawa and Genji. She was much like Maria is today and strongly believed in magic. One day, while working at the mansion, she eavesdropped on a conversation and heard about a servant who died falling off a cliff. She asked Kumasawa about it. Kumasawa said that it was a family secret that should never leave the island. She told Shannon that one who fell off the cliff was Beatrice herself. Shannon was sad to hear about this but Kumasawa told her not to worry. She told Shannon that everyone who is part of the family respects Beatrice so her legend will always continue. Shannon felt that Battler would probably respect Beatrice as well since he was part of the family. She decided to open her heart to Battler. The first question she asked him was what kind of girls he liked. Battler described the type of girl he liked. Shannon felt that Jessica was really someone who was fun to be around so she understood why Battler responded that way. She asked him what he thought of magic. Battler laughed and told her there’s no way that kind of crap exists. Shannon didn’t know how to respond after hearing that. She simply said that it definitely exists. Battler continued to laugh and said that it’s all a bunch of tricks and none of it is real. Shannon was not prepared at all and didn’t know how to answer back. She simply repeated that magic definitely exists. Battler laughed again and there’s no proof of any of it. He said that he hopes Shannon doesn’t believe in that junk. Shannon repeated once again that magic definitely exists. Then Battler said the line that would become the cause of the tragedy: “In that case, try showing me magic.” Shannon cried and yelled at him saying that she will definitely show him magic. She ran off crying. Battler had no idea what her problem was. ... After hearing Shannon’s story Kyrie couldn’t believe it. She asked her if she did all of this to get revenge on Battler. Shannon laughed at that. She told Kyrie that she didn’t need revenge... THAT’S BECAUSE SHE ALREADY GOT REVENGE ON HIM SIX YEARS AGO BY KILLING ASUMU. Although they were just words, Kyrie felt like she had been punched in the chest. She fell backwards and landed on her rear end. Shannon admitted that she killed Asumu. She said she had pushed her off a cliff six years ago. She also told Kyrie about the strange letters she had been receiving since the incident. She said the letters must be from Beatrice and this was all her trial to change her fate so she can reach the golden land with George. Shannon then moved Kyrie into a room with a phone and told Kyrie what she wanted her to do... Spoiler for ”Episode 4, Second Twilight (Part 2)”:
Kanon was continuing his search for Jessica... A while ago, Jessica had arrived at the old well behind the mansion. Gohda had mentioned that Kanon and her dad were being kept as prisoners in a secret passage down there... but there was a strong metal cover on the well. Jessica couldn’t believe those guys. They moved everyone to an underground passage and then set up this kind of barrier? Also, there was no way they could have gotten out of the shed. It became clear to her why those guys were so evasive about the six in the dining hall... those guys... Gohda and Kumasawa... weren’t human. Jessica had a gun though. She decided that she would head to room and face the culprit head on. She headed for her room in the mansion. She entered through the back door and went up the stairs to her room. Just as she was about to enter the room she heard gunshots from downstairs. Jessica quickly entered her room and locked the door. They had got her... The gunshots were from Shannon. Shannon was trying to force Kyrie to call Battler and tell him that everything happened by magic. Jessica picked up the phone in her room and called Battler. She told him everything she knew. Jessica remembered what Gohda had said about people who went against orders. They were getting their heads split open by magic. She felt that this would happen to her as well. Just what in the world were Gohda and Kumasawa? They could not be human after warping out of the shed and sealing everyone in the old well with that kind of barrier. After speaking with Battler a while she realized that there was probably nothing he could do against those guys. She let the phone hang and sat in a chair in her room and tried to think about what she could do. Kyrie agreed to call Battler and tell him everything happened the way Shannon had told her. She called Battler and told him everything had happened with magic. Kyrie also said, “You might think that there should be some trick, or that there’s some true nature behind it... If you have the time to think of something like that... it would be much more constructive to think of how not to damage the mood of whatever you’re facing... Even mistakenly... you must not say ‘In that case, try showing me magic’ ...Because to prove that, they will probably use an even more cruel way than before... to show you.” Hearing those words again from another person’s mouth enraged Shannon. As soon as Kyrie mentioned Asumu’s name that was the last straw. Shannon hit Kyrie in the head with the back of her gun in the spot where Kyrie was holding the phone to her ear. Kyrie landed on the ground a short distance away. Shannon hung up the phone. Kyrie thought about why all of this was happening and what Shannon had said. She didn’t care about the parts about the golden land or Beatrice but she felt a terrible chill regarding the one who sent the letters... ...!? It couldn’t be her... She definitely died. Kyrie asked Shannon if there was ever a name on the letters. Shannon said there was never a name, only the number 07151129. She said they were from Beatrice. Shannon told her to stand and said they need to move to Kinzo’s study for Battler’s test. Kyrie thought about 07151129. There was nothing linking it to Asumu that could come off the top of her head... wait... what in the world!? ...!? July 15th 11:29 is the exact time of the still birth! The day Kyrie had lost to Asumu! Kyrie let out a scream that completely terrified Shannon. It was not a normal human sound and was something no one would ever want to hear. Kyrie’s mind broke down: Half the family was dead... Rudolf was dead... Shannon had been blackmailed for six years and went completely crazy... the family was in ruins... and this all happened because... HER “SON” MADE FUN OF MAGIC IN FRONT OF A LITTLE GIRL SIX YEARS AGO?????????????? Kyrie laughed hysterically. Even Shannon had to ask if she was ok. To Kyrie, ‘that thing’ in the guesthouse was no longer her son. ‘That thing’ was the son of the monster who was behind all of this. She went to pick up the phone and called the guesthouse. Shannon asked her what she thought she was doing and pointed the gun at her. Kyrie smiled at her and told her not to worry. She will definitely show him magic... While searching for Jessica, Kanon had found George’s corpse. He sighed and turned to head back to the mansion. Then he saw Maria leave the guesthouse. He caught up to her and asked her where she was going. Maria said that her test was in the mansion. Kanon thought it was strange. Maria’s test was supposed to be last. Kanon went with Maria to the mansion. After they entered the mansion Kanon locked the door behind them. They met Kyrie and Shannon who were heading upstairs to Kinzo’s study. They told Maria to wait downstairs and to absolutely not enter the dining room. Maria went into the kitchen to look for a drink while Kanon, Shannon, and Kyrie went to Kinzo’s study. In the kitchen Maria found some tea that had already been prepared by someone. Since she was really thirsty she decided to drink it all and gulped it down. Normally, the drug the Shannon had put in the tea would not be lethal. However, for a child, and the amount of the drug that entered her system... she immediately fainted and stopped breathing. Spoiler for ”Episode 4, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Twilights:
Kanon, Shannon, and Kyrie entered Kinzo’s study. Shannon had a disguise ready and went to change. As soon as Kanon turned to face away from Shannon, Kyrie grabbed his gun and shot him in the chest. Shannon yelled Kanon’s name but could not move to get her gun. Kyrie was pointing the gun at her. She told Shannon to move back against the wall and grabbed Shannon’s gun. Kyrie knew that Shannon’s gun only had one shot left because she had fired four times at her downstairs. Shannon knelt down next to Kanon and lifted his head. Kanon tried to tell her something. George was... Before he could finish his sentence Kyrie shot him again using the last bullet from Shannon’s gun. She then threw the gun with no ammo at Shannon and tied Shannon up. Kyrie told Shannon not to worry and began to change into the disguise that Shannon had prepared. She had completely lost her mind. Battler ran to the shed to get Gohda and Kumasawa’s help. The shed was unlocked but he did not check to see if it was. When he saw Gohda and Kumasawa hanging by their necks he realized that it was useless and ran to the mansion alone. Battler reached the front of the mansion. Kyrie, disguised as Beatrice, came out from the balcony to meet him. Battler could not remember his sin. Kyrie gave up and told him to go the chapel. Earlier, when Shannon was confessing everything she had mentioned that all the extra keys and a master key were in a bundle on the chapel step. Kyrie went back inside Kinzo’s study. Kyrie looked at Shannon. They exchanged words as Kyrie changed back into her normal clothes. They had both lost their minds and became ‘Beatrice’. However, they understood each other. Kyrie said, “So, ...he says that he can remember... nothing.” Shannon said, “With this, are your regrets at an end...?” Kyrie said, “............H, hmm...” Shannon said, “For even a hopeless bet, regrets will remain if you do not take it... That is enough. The betting itself has meaning.” Kyrie said, “...That may be true. ...In that case, this is... the end of my regrets, and my game.” Shannon said, “What will you do...?” Kyrie said, “...Who knows. ...I’m not interested at all anymore. ...Sorry, but I wish to leave the game board now.” Shannon said, “... I see... I understand. I will take over for the rest of the game. You may rest.” Kyrie said, “...Yeah...” Shannon said, “All that remains, I will finish. ...You may forget everything and bury your head in your pillow. A feather futon should gently protect you from everything.” Kyrie said, “...I’ll be counting on you... to finish up the rest.” Shannon said, “Leave it to me. Leave everything else to me, and sleep.” Kyrie untied Shannon and handed her the gun. Shannon got all the stakes she had hid in Kinzo’s study. She placed one stake next to Kanon and put the other four in her pockets. Shannon led Kyrie back downstairs to the room where she had called Battler. The phone was still off the hook. As promised, Shannon used a pillow to end Kyrie. Kyrie did not resist at all. After Kyrie was dead she fired a shot from the gun and loaded the next bullet. In the hole she placed a stake into Kyrie’s forehead. She threw away all the shells from the shots she had fired earlier. Jessica heard the shot from her room. Kanon and her dad could still be alive and she was hiding in her room? She decided to try to do something. Maybe if she can get a tool from the shed can break the barrier on the old well. She left the mansion through the back door and headed towards the shed. Shannon left the room with Kyrie’s corpse in it and locked it. She wondered where Maria was. Unfortunately, she found Maria in the kitchen. Maria had drunk too much of the drugged tea that Shannon had prepared. Shannon moved her corpse to the dining room so she could rest with her mom. Shannon also wondered where George was. She went to the guest room and unset the chain lock. Shannon told Nanjo to come out. She said that George might still be in the arbor in the rose garden. She told him to bring George to the old well behind the mansion. Nanjo was hesitant but agreed. He knew there was nowhere he could run to on a closed island with any unknown amount of culprits lurking around. If he follows orders he stands a better chance of surviving the nightmare. Nanjo left for the rose garden. Shannon had told George that the murders would stop so she needed to talk to him away from the mansion to prepare him before he enters the mansion and sees more corpses. Suddenly Shannon realized she screwed up. The chain lock was not reset! She went back to room and saw Krauss escaping. She chased after him. Krauss made it to the back door. However, just as he was about to leave, Shannon shot him in the head. She placed a staked into his head. She went to get rid of the chain lock since it was no longer needed. She left through the back door and went to the old well to wait for George. Spoiler for ”Episode 4, Seventh Twilight, Eighth Twilight, and the rest...”:
Battler arrived in the mansion. He found the six in the dining room and found Maria as well. Battler raced through the mansion swinging the hat-stand spear, yelling ‘Come out here, bastard’. But he could not find any sign of anyone else. Battler thought that they might be scheming to hide somewhere and attack him from behind. He went around searching for hiding places, sometimes growing more cautious, and sometimes intentionally letting his guard down in various ways, but in the end, not even a kitten appeared... Even though Battler did not know whether or not a murderer was hiding somewhere, he prioritized drowsiness and fatigue over worrying for his own life. Jessica had arrived at the shed earlier. She wondered if it was still locked. Maybe Gohda and Kumasawa didn’t warp through the wall of the shed and someone actually let them out. She saw that the padlock was not locked. She removed it and placed it on the ground. Spoiler:
When Battler went to the mansion for his test he never checked to see if the shed was actually locked. He only assumed it was. Jessica breathed a sigh of relief. She was not going crazy after all. She lifted the door to the shed and then she saw... Gohda and Kumasawa hanging by their necks! Jessica screamed and looked around her to see if anyone was hiding. She thought she saw a shadow move in the bushes. The wind sounded like someone was whistling to her. She didn’t know if she was alone. And then... Gohda and Kumasawa raised their heads and moaned for her to save them. Jessica screamed again and shot Gohda in the head. She loaded the next bullet and shot Kumasawa in the head too. Jessica hoped that was enough to take care of those zombies. She grabbed the first tool she could find and ran away from the shed as fast as she could. She did not bother to close the door to the shed. Nanjo arrived in the arbor of the rose garden. George was absolutely dead with a bullet wound through the head. He rested in the arbor and thought about what to tell Shannon about this. Jessica arrived with the tool at the old well. She did not approach the well. Instead she threw the tool to one side and raised her gun. Shannon slowly stood up and pointed her gun back at Jessica. Jessica told Shannon not to move. She had no idea what was going on anymore. Why was her best friend at the old well? She didn’t want to suspect Shannon of being any part of this. Shannon told Jessica to calm down and gave the explanation for what happened that involved ‘Kinzo’, pitfalls, and golden threads... Jessica didn’t believe any of that stuff anymore. She didn’t see any of it. Shannon said in a calm voice that it was the only explanation for all the craziness of the day. She told Jessica to believe in magic. Jessica said she didn’t believe any of it. Not one bit. Then she told Shannon, “In that case, try showing me magic.” With those words Shannon’s eyes widened and she fired at her best friend without hesitation. Jessica died instantly. Shannon apologized to Jessica but she knew this would have to happen so that she could reach the golden land with George. Shannon remembered that Nanjo would be bringing George soon. The reason why she wanted to meet George out by the old well away from the mansion was so she could properly explain why she had to continue the murders even though she had told him that she would stop. She decided to move Jessica’s corpse away from the old well. Shannon went to the shed to get the wheelbarrow and a tarp. When she got there she found the shed door open with Gohda and Kumasawa hanging by their necks. She wondered who could have done it. She thought that maybe George had done it. She was glad that George had taken her seriously and wanted to continue the ritual so they could reach the golden land together. She noticed the unlocked padlock on the floor. Everything was setup to create a perfect closed room. She smiled and placed the key to the shed in Gohda’s pocket. Shannon took the wheelbarrow and a tarp out of the shed. She then closed the shed door and locked the padlock. Perfect. She arrived at the old well and placed Jessica’s corpse in the tarp. She then threw Jessica’s gun into the bushes loaded her corpse onto the wheelbarrow After transporting her all the way to Jessica’s own room she leaned Jessica’s corpse against the wall and locked the door. She went to hide the wheelbarrow and tarp and headed back to the old well to wait for Nanjo to bring George. Earlier Nanjo had returned to the guesthouse dozed off while contemplating what to do. He woke up and decided that he needed to tell Shannon about George. It was probably about 5am. When Nanjo got to the old well Shannon was there. She was completely drenched and looked like she had been waiting there for hours. Nanjo apologized for taking so long but Shannon did not raise her head. Nanjo apologized again and said he had bad news. He then told Shannon about George. Shannon simply stood up and blew his head off. She threw one of the stakes from her pocket at his head. She gripped the last stake her pocket and screamed Beatrice’s name as she looked up at the clouds. She loaded the next bullet as the empty shell fell into the well. As she pointed the gun at her head her last words were... “In this case, try showing it without magic.”
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@Ssol: Ok, what does the door use to keep it from opening from the direction it is prohibited from opening? And don't respond with "it simply doesn't open that way".
@Jan-Poo: There is a little problem there. All 6 deaths were said to be instant. Kinzo was said to have died of an illness so I don't think his death would have been instant. There are three explanations of this for me, 1. That isn't the "sick Kinzo", 2. Kinzo was never sick, or 3. Kinzo was murdered and did not die of an illness. |
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We were never told that his death was due to an illness, only that he had an illness (probably cancer or something of that kind) that was going to kill him eventually. He might have merely died from a heart attack instead (although I wouldn't consider that to be "instant").
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The meaning of instant death is about instant immoblization before real death came after some seconds, you can check Beatrice's explanation for that.
So Kinzo could satisfy instant death if his disease caused him to be unable to move a few moment before his heart stopped beating, or you could say before brain death. Heart attack is instant death under this meaning.
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If Kinzo died in his sleep, by Beatrice's definition he "died instantly" when he went to sleep because he was incapable of taking action before he died. How long it actually took his body to expire would not be relevant. Unless it's supposed to be a hint that the ep5 death portrayal is off.
Unrelated tangent: What are some arguments in favor of and against Kanontrice? Yes, I said Kanontrice. I had a bunch of random thoughts last night about alternative ways to answer Touya's questions. Let's just say it's a bit creepy and mostly a joke, but I am curious. |
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In response to the whole idea of Kanontrice, there's a point in episode 2 I guess:
Rosa views Beatrice in the rose garden after rushing out for Maria. This Beatrice does 'magic' and gives Maria her candy. Of course, if you rewind a bit to when Rosa crushed the candy and left, Kanon actually observed it all and comes along, trying to give Maria a 'similar candy' that he said he had, upon which he reached for it in his pocket, only to be declined the offer by Maria . Flash forward to this magic trick. It was simply a sleight of hand carried out by 'Beatrice', whom replaced the candy. Of course one could argue that Rosa lied or Kanon could have told someone to do it, but Kyrie also did observe 'Beatrice' and Kanon is not relieved of any suspicion. |
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I built up some theories for the entirety of episode 2,
It goes into essentially every closed room and murder so lots of text and references abound. Just my two cents on the whole episode: Edit: Seems that I will add more revisions to the theories, and still continue to do so. It is currently incomplete, but it does seem to be coming together a bit more. Thanks to the comments and those whom have expanded on some of my points. I guess I'll eventually split it up etc. to just make it cleaner and easier to follow - may take a while though. Spoiler for Episode 2 Theory:
Spoiler for Culprit list:
Warning: Spoilers EP1 - 5. Multiple theories currently since it may be difficult to narrow it down till confirmation of culprits in other episodes emerge, I am looking for EP continuity: Jessica and Genji as main culprits, very likely to be Shannon, and potential for Gohda and Nanjo to also be one. Rosa may be involved in some way as an accomplice or potential culprit, but also likely to be innocent. For continuity across the episodes: Jessica: goes missing both in EP1 and EP3. And due to the red, her death cannot be confirmed in EP2. There is still of course the offbeat chance that she really is innocent and was simply killed, and that would make it much easier to simply be able to place Shannon, Genji, Gohda and Nanjo as the culprits - but the way the red is used is almost in fact a clue to her status of being alive. She may have been 'drugged' though I find it strange as to why this would be done unless they wanted to keep her alive or use her as a fake corpse elsewhere - but then they could have just really killed her anyway. In EP4, the phone call to Battler explaining George's death, and generally unknown time of death leads to her being quite suspicious. Dies EP5 first twilight. EP2 Main culprit. Genji: He appears so very neutral. Only early death is confirmed in EP3, in EP1 he is one of the last victims, and he goes missing in EP2. Order of deaths in EP4 are all over the place though I feel it depends on whether the main culprit is the same as that of EP3. I suspect that Genji remains alive for a period of time, and it is almost impossible to remove any suspicion from him, or involvement. Survives EP5. EP2 Main culprit. Shannon: Corpse not confirmed in EP1 by Battler. He only notes 5 corpses and Hideyoshi states that Shannon was lying at the bottom of his feet, and it was even stated that it was in George's blind spot. EP2 4th twilight, but she is one of the last corpses to be discovered. EP3 she dies early. EP4 she survives for quite a while. Survives EP5. EP2 High culprit potential. Nanjo: 7th twilight in both EP1 and EP2. Bit suspicious. Dies at the very end (9th twilight) in EP3. Survives for quite a bit in EP4, 6th twilight I believe. Survives EP5.Very suspicious overall, and can be assumed to be an accomplice who gets betrayed. EP2 Quite high culprit potential. Gohda: Dies first twilight EP1 and EP3. 5th twilight in EP2 but discovered near the end. In EP4 he is one of those whom escapes from the mansion's "first twilight" and dies a bit later. It is interesting how when both he and Kumasawa are alive, they back each other up a lot. In EP2 they defend each other's alibis for the 'death' of Jessica, and those two are the ones whom escape from the mansion in EP4. Bit of a wild card really. Survives EP5. EP2 Possible but unlikely culprit. Rosa: Dies first twilight in EP1, EP4 and EP5. Dies 2nd twilight in EP3. Only goes missing in EP2. I honestly find it difficult to believe she is the or a main culprit, though I can understand her being in accomplice in EP2. Still awkward with the way the episode progresses, examples being:
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Night before the murder: About the night before, the adults and 'Beatrice' have gathered in the chapel, and they all seem to acknowledge this witch, saying that they accept it. I have a feeling it is to do with the gold bars lined up on the table. Battler and the lot observe three on the table the following day, and its said that Krauss only ever had found one. They are killed in the chapel, so note they must have been gone there themselves or at least been captured (which I find much more unlikely) to follow the red. The chapel: Well it's a lot of red text, taken from both EP2 and EP4: Only one key to the chapel exists It is impossible to unlock the lock to the chapel without the chapel's key When the door to the chapel is locked, it prevents any and all methods of entry or exit This morning, Rosa definitely took an envelope out of Maria's handbag, and thereby obtained the genuine key to the chapel That which was inside the envelope I entrusted Maria with, was definitely the key to the chapel The letter that I handed over to Maria and the one Rosa opened are the same thing Starting when Maria's key was received, and until the instant Rosa unsealed it the next day, it passed through no one's hands!! The six people were already dead by the time they were discovered! All were killed by other people! All six were genuine victims, and did not take part in a mutual murder! There was no simultaneous murder!! There was no one hiding in the chapel. When the six were killed in the chapel, the culprit was inside the chapel! So:
I think the deciding factor is: Starting when Maria's key was received, and until the instant Rosa unsealed it the next day, it passed through no one's hands!! (The context is that Battler states someone could have secretly borrowed and returned it). At this point he didn't bother stating it was Rosa herself. It's just the way one would read "passed through no-one's hands", referring to the key itself, suggesting it was not even touched one bit till Rosa unseals it. It could also suggest that Maria is the only one who touched it (because Maria has received it) before Rosa unseals it the next day. If we assume it to be so: There is nothing to suggest Rosa knew the key to the chapel lay inside the envelope until the following morning. The chapel had been unlocked beforehand before being handed over in the envelope. The adults went into the chapel because 'Beatrice' appeared before them and led them there, stating that she is the alchemy counseller to the Ushiromiya family, and was providing proof for her position. There is evidence to suggest this due to Battler discovering three gold bars on the chapel table when it is stated that Krauss only ever found one. The adults then proclaim they accept the existence of 'Beatrice'. This 'Beatrice' already knows the location of the gold. Rosa feeling tired or not wanting to continue discussion that night left before the others. With six gathered, this 'Beatrice' then enacted the murder, most likely with the help of some accomplices. 'Beatrice' then takes Maria while the cousins are asleep, and asks Maria to come along and bring her letter along. This is the time Beatrice was referring to earlier when she stated 'The time will come soon for you to open it' when they previously met in the rose garden. She was speaking directly to Maria and not Rosa. Maria never remarks at seeing the writing on the wall or the surprise all for her the following day when they discover everything. Therefore Maria is taken to the chapel and is shown her 'surprise' with the "Happy HALLOWEEN for MARIA" the night before, and she has already viewed it. After, Maria locks up the chapel as Beatrice tells her to, and puts in back in her envelope. Beatrice reseals the letter, giving it back to Maria and telling her to continue to hold onto it for her invitation to the Golden Land. Alternatively: There is strangely nothing stating that the chapel can be locked without using the chapel key. For example, in the other closed rooms such as Jessica's room and the servant's room, it is stated in red that it is impossible to lock room X from outside without a key, yet it is not stated so for the chapel. No device could have the effect of locking the door from the outside without using a key No method exists by which the door can be locked from the outside without using a key (These are the reds for Jessica's room and the servant's room respectively.) and then they locked the chapel by Method X without using the chapel key, thereby creating a closed room. [/COLOR] Same as above but after the murder, instead of fetching Maria, she locks up the chapel using Method X. The only problem is establishing this Method X. The idea of Beatrice that is created is also quite important. Why? Jessica used it to charge out of the chapel 'in rage' and escape away from the rest of the people. Beatrice could also have been used as someone to suspect as the culprit (whom Jessica blames straight away!) - thus creating a scapegoat (the goats?) If Rosa is involved: Firstly, due to the red that the key 'passed through no one's hands', its a bit strange to suggest that Rosa is the one that locked it, since the way I read it was that no one else other than Maria could have touched the key until Rosa unseals it the following morning. One could say she went with Maria, but the following morning, Maria was crying because she could not find the envelope, blaming Rosa since Battler said he thought she came in and fished around in Maria's bag. Also, Rosa is extremely surprised and shocked when she reads the message on the chapel for Maria, yelling for the servants to go check on Maria. I suppose there may be a few though they are less plausible. One being Rosa was threatened and forced to go along with the first twilight, after which she could have been directed to go to Kinzo's study alone, where she was captured/replaced (if we go along with that idea). Her being threatened woudn't make sense otherwise since she receives a gun and therefore power (though one could argue it was empty). Another would be that she gets bought by the money and so goes along with the whole thing but:
I suppose it may be an easier way to stick to the twilight pattern, since one adult would have to remain alive (Rosa is single) and the culprits just got someone on their side thus better success rate. I can see her as the culprit sort of. In EP4, her character is developed and it reveals the kind of life her and Maria led. She may have wanted money to be able to spend more time with Maria, but enough to kill her relatives? Was it even out of love for Maria? And it is a magic scene at the very end but Rosa does seem to be extremely frantic in trying to escape screaming that there is no safe place on the island. I thought this always made sense if she was indeed captured and was able to eventually break free. (I suppose this is vague though). Spoiler for About Rosa:
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I would think her being replaced is a good possibility though some parts are questionable, namely Battler or Maria not noticing - although clues have technically been given so Battler may not have realised this, and Maria may have been told something like 'I will change your Mama' by Beatrice or something... in my opinion the most likely scenario is that Rosa was fooled but I continue to consider them all. Related points: The atmosphere around Rosa, accompanied by Genji and Shannon, was somehow cold, and yet dignified, ...completely different from how she had seemed before she left. Oh and as a side note, it may just be something minor, but it does seem quite strange that she leaves completely alone and then comes back suggesting they ought to do their best to gather in the same place. "Rosa oba-san, what is...?" "......This is Father's. Because of the current situation, I borrowed it specially. .........Everyone should understand. The culprit is still nearby. We don't know what could be there." "Father was alright, but he was slightly distracted by these certain events. ...Fortunately, he said that he won't leave his room, so he's probably safe. Now, we should do all we can to gather in the same place." Battler suggests going to Jessica's room with a couple of people suggesting it should be enough. However Rosa simply says: "............No. Let's all go together. ...It's a 'Wolves and Sheep Puzzle' . ....If we are all gathered together in equilibrium, that situation is the most safe." Shouldn't this mean that she would not have gone alone to the study? Someone could argue I suppose that she suddenly is so different because of being told about the death of her Father but the sudden shift in always moving together is still a bit strange. Also, why would she continue to hide the death from George and Battler, could she not simply say he has been killed as well as part of the murders? She may be trying to be considerate of Battler and George though it doesn't add up too well when they go to Jessica's room. They also don't have too close relations with their Grandfather, while it sounds harsh, they are unlikely to care about him whom they rarely speak to in comparison to their own parents. Rosa was fooled: She claimed to have spoken to her Father and gets a gun from him to boot - spoke through the study door, and Genji and Shannon may have given her the gun when they exit. It is possible if Genji were faking Kinzo's voice and then acted as if he didn't care and wanted her to get lost, giving her the gun. When Shannon and Genji exit, they bring the gun. Her foul mood/different atmosphere could also be acredited to the way her own Father treated her, whereas Genji and Shannon, servants, were together in the study with him. Rosa was putting on an act: Rosa accuses Kanon of murder, and is questioning the servants stating that only a servant could have done it. From the game: "Yes. At least you and Genji-san are alright. That is backed up by what I heard from Father. The two of you were in Father's room the whole time, copying and witnessing for him. Father and I can guarantee that." ".........Thank you very much." "In that case, I think the argument becomes who is more suspicious, Gohda-san or Kumasawa-san?" Some accusing Gohda and Kumasawa and then suggesting that Jessica is stabbed in the back, therefore it was someone she trusted, and suspects Shannon: ".........Yeah isn't that right? ......Jessica-chan might also let Shannon-chan into her room. But you should have been with Father. .........But in reality, ......were you the culprit.........?" "Sh, ......Shannon coudn't be the culprit! Didn't you say that she was doing some important work with Grandfather!" "Yes, I understand. Neither Shannon-chan nor Genji-san is the culprit. Father also admits that they were together the whole time. .........Well then, what do you think, everyone?" Now this is strange in itself. It could be that Rosa was genuinely tricked and as such believes the whole story of her Father, though someone would have had to have been pretending to be Kinzo, which would have had to be Genji. She brought up the original fact that the two were in the study with Father, stated that Jessica was stabbed in the back, then suspected Shannon since Jessica would have trusted her, was rebutted about something she just previously said, and then concluded it coudn't have been Genji or Shannon. Going along with the suggestion of being stabbed in the back. Why would she be able to deduce do much yet not something simpler than her previous deductions? She automatically assumes Genji is not a suspect just because Shannon is not. She definitely suspects multiple people later on so I do not see why she was so focused on only one culprit. This gives great room to suggest that it is an act - a very well done one but possible, since this may simply have been discussed about when she went to the study as it cannot be confirmed what they were doing. Genji and Shannon were together - therefore Genji and Shannon could still have been culprits if Shannon stabbed Jessica in the back and Genji was merely building an alibi. There is a time gap before they return to the mansion so it could have been done so after Gohda left since he returns to the chapel where they are for a while. Then they could have simply pretended to return to the study where they were with 'Father'. The fact that the murder was set up with Jessica in that position, the way the conversation went, the way Rosa managed to suspect Shannon meaning suspecting their alibi in the first place, yet not suspect Genji of an accomplice. If she only heard Kinzo through the door then it is strange. She coudn't have seen him and then told the truth that she genuinely met him since she would have recognised it to not be Kinzo due to the red text from EP4. It fooled the others in the room and removed any suspicion at all from Shannon and Genji, seeming a well done act. There is one way to argue against this though, and in turn suspecting whether she really spoke to her Father (supporting Rosa was fooled). The fact that she suspected Shannon may also been been a clue to her suspecting Shannon's and Genji's alibi. When Rosa tells the servants to go the kitchen with Gohda she whispers something to Nanjo and it is unknown what, but it prompts Nanjo to also go suggesting it was something like 'keep an eye on them'. She only suspects Shannon and Genji because they were the ones whom were supposedly with Father, and she knows that he may already be dead. Considering the Wolves and Sheep puzzle references throughout EP2, she may be thinking Nanjo, Kumasawa and Gohda to be sheep. Rosa was replaced: The red used near the end of ep.2: Only the five master keys were left, and 'Rosa' was holding all of them For the first time, a name is captioned in game. 'Rosa'. What I do not get is that there are times I've read it without it captioned and times with it captioned, almost as if someone just ignored it or it was added by Ryu in EP3 or EP4. It can actually difficult to notice since it showed up within a giant wall of red text, and felt a bit snuck in. This text suggested that this is not in fact the real Rosa. It may be a clue left by Ryukishi on purpose. I thought of ways around it, but I can only think it may have been an error or accidental but it really seems unlikely for one to be amongst the red text. - especially after releasing EP3 and EP4 afterwards - Witch hunt have also translated and checked this. From Episode 4: All of the master keys were under Rosa's control! (This refers to Natsuhi's closed room scenario in Episode 2.) After the master keys came into Rosa's control, never did any of them leave her hands! Except for the time when she lent it to Battler to unlock Natsuhi's room. holding = control if you consider the last red text so I can't see it otherwise. For:
It would be extremely beneficial to replace the last surviving adult, as the culprits could then easily order the others and what to do, and control the situation far better. If all the adults are dead - responsibility would fall to the cousins. Well, if we first assume this idea that Rosa was replaced at least, when could she have been replaced? Rosa seems to portray normal behaviour on the second day when the first twilight is discovered, in fact mentioning the key of the chapel herself when they realise the closed room setup - which would essentially point to herself an incredibly likely suspect. Why would she do this? One could argue reverse psychology to make people believe in the witch, but before that ever happened, they would suspect a possibility of a human culprit first. In fact, she was even the only adult who survived, how can one not suspect her? There is only one time she could have been properly replaced, (excluding when the first twilight occurred and everyone was asleep, however, everyone alive is shown through Battler's eyes anyway the following day.) When they return to the mansion, Rosa goes up to visit Kinzo's study alone: Now, at this point, everyone except Shannon, Genji, Jessica, Kanon, and Rosa have gathered in the parlor. Therefore, the four: Shannon, Kanon, Jessica and Genji have no alibis for attacking Rosa. Jessica and Kanon were not neccessarily killed as it was a magic scene, it doesn't have proof of having actually occurred. The same can be said for Rosa actually going to the study, but the point is that she stepped out of the parlor on her own. Also, with the potential of Shannon = Kanon, then Jessica was alone, or rather she was with Shannon and Genji. He may also have been killed and simply carried elsewhere due to the whole Kanon was killed in this room. This is subjective though but I'll avoid bothering with the whole idea of who Kanon is. When Rosa returns with Genji and Shannon, she is carrying a gun, claiming to have spoken to the already dead Father of hers. Other than 'why did no one notice?', there is the knox etiquette. Someone may question 'Rosa' using the Knox. From Episode 5: "Knox's 10th, it is forbidden for a character to disguise themselves as another without any CLUES!" There are clues to the disguise actually. In the beginning of ep.2, with the scenes of Jessica at her school, Jessica is seen well, cosplaying, which in essence is disguising herself (the concert). Room for argument about this definition but it could allow the concept. When Genji and Shannon return, the only people who could have been pretending to be this Rosa are: Jessica. Kanon is dead and everyone else is gathered. Going along with the idea of clues to Jessica's disguising, the fact that 'Kanon was killed in this room' that leaves Jessica. They only go Jessica's room after Rosa returns, with Genji guiding them. When they arrive they discover only Jessica's corpse. 'Rosa' suggests that Kanon is the culprit. Ignoring the obvious how did no one notice, there is, one potential snag I found in this entire Jessica = Rosa theory, though I am unsure if it is actually a snag. When Battler, Maria, George and Rosa go to the room after being reported to about Kanon and the death of Nanjo and Kumasawa, the red: No one exists in this room except all of you. All of you refers to Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, and Shannon. It depends in the way Beatrice used the text, she states, "All of you refers to..." but does not explicitly state that those people are the real deal; it simply assumes the perspective in which Battler views it. The red text may be subjective in this sense as at the time, as he genuinely believes it is Rosa. Secondly, why was it not said as "Only...<names> exist in this room." She basically says: No one exists in this room except all of you. All of you refers to Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, and Shannon When Jessica's corpse was discovered, only Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo were in Jessica's room Whoops, the corpse of Jessica is also included Therefore, both in the case of Jessica's room and the case in this servants' room, no humans exist that are you were not aware of No one is hiding Although it is simply going with the flow of the conversation, it is clear that she changed from the 'refers to' to 'only' from the first closed room to the second, which I may just be nitpicking about, but, I think the first point was at least somewhat valid. Also, with the possibility that someone else has the name Rosa, i.e. Jessica, then this idea works. Of course, if it is actually meaning the real Rosa, the members gathered are whom they are, and Jessica has simply escaped to somewhere else for the parlor murder. If Rosa was 'replaced' , it would have to be between when the servants are chased out, and after they leave the parlor to check Nanjo's and Kumasawa's corpses. There is a skip of 5 hours within this time; Battler, Maria and Rosa are in the parlor. It is unknown whether Battler had been observing her the entire time, but still sounds extremely stupid if they never left the room and she was still replaced without Battler noticing. Therefore she could only have been replaced when she went to the study (or Rosa is never replaced of course). Spoiler for 2nd Twilight:
When Jessica's corpse was discovered, only Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo were in Jessica's room.
Whoops, the corpse of Jessica is also included. therefore, both in the case of Jessica's room and the case in this servants' room, no humans exist that are you were not aware of. No one is hiding. [Whoops, the corpse of] is not spoken in red, meaning you can read essentially as: "When Jessica's corpse was discovered, only Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo were in Jessica's room. Jessica is also included." Jessica's corpse is not referring to her being dead, but rather that a corpse representing the person Jessica is there, the white text is also a clue to her status of actually being alive. The 'only' part is questionable, ONLY the nine first mentioned exist, but then "Jessica is also included". Only the 9 named exist, and Jessica is included? That could simply mean she was tacking on Jessica's name at the end, but she is actually able to finish the original sentence of red text stating that only the nine are present in the room. That could mean that Jessica and another name said in the red refer to the one same person. In other words, Jessica and another name = the same person. Therefore, Jessica disguises as someone. Who? Rosa. Therefore, when used in the red by Beatrice, Rosa = same as Jessica since Jessica is disguised as her. In EP4 tea party, Kinzo's ghost is unable to repeat "Among all of the people there, not one had multiple, different names'!!" when Battler demands it. We can assume that this could include the name Rosa, therefore there is no contradiction with the red, and the person disguising themselves as Rosa also has the name of Rosa. Jessica was present in the room, not dead but alive. Therefore, someone is there representing a corpse. Kanon is not in the room. So who is there to represent the corpse of Jessica in this room? She may have been 'drugged' though I find it strange as to why this would be done unless they wanted to keep her alive or use her as a fake corpse elsewhere - but then they could have just really killed her anyway. Either, this was a fake dead body, or, seemingly could have actually been the real Rosa though I find it strange for it to be Rosa. However, going with the etiquette of Knox, I think that someone had to be there dead, as Battler observed them. It is also possible that instead of this whole 'replacement', Jessica locked the door and pretended to be dead, with Nanjo as an accomplice as he states she is dead. This would mean that Rosa is still herself, and Jessica was playing dead. Nanjo checks the 'corpse'. He also happens to pull out a master key when he goes to 'search' Jessica, (which may have actually been on him the entire time mind you). The only problem is again, didn't Battler, the detective, observe a dead body? He never sees the face since they're lying face down, so yes he can mistake Jessica's death, I'm just not sure whether he can mistake a corpse to not be a corpse. The way they present how Furudo Erika cannot mistake corpses in EP5 suggests that Battler could also not mistake it. About the closed room: Suspicion can easily fall to the servants, yes. But note this: Beatrice refuses to repeat: ......"I hate to say it, but I'll have to cover up the moat. ...Repeat it. ...... 'The last time it was locked was due to the master key'." "I also refuse that. *cackle*cackle* Beatrice refuses to repeat this, and suggests that she is doing it because she is using it to her advantage. However, since she wanted Battler to truly solve it to discover the truth, and was really only helping him by introducing the red, I think it the statement may actually not be true. Of course this is just an assumption but if we assume that it is not true, it supports that only someone inside locked it. So only Jessica could have done it if it was really not locked by a master key. If the room was also not really locked by a master key, then this removes the idea of Rosa being replaced as someone alive, i.e. inside the room could only have lokced it. This may also be able to be used to form an idea that Shannon and Genji, while suspicious, may not be on Jessica's side. It is unknown whether Nanjo lied, and from here, you could say Jessica is just the culprit and goes around enacting the murders, but there this would mean she still required the cooperation of Nanjo and possibly Gohda for the fake death, murders and closed rooms. 'Rosa' also needs an explanation. For the closed room, it was Jessica herself, or if we go with Rosa fake theory, Genji/Shannon could have locked it since them writing up the will of Kinzo is a complete and utter lie, or, Gohda could have locked it before returning to chapel if he is involved, since the refusal of the repetition of red cannot be confirmed. Spoiler for 7th and 8th Twilight:
Afterwards, they separate, with the servants and Nanjo going to the kitchen because Rosa tells them to go with Gohda to clean up. (She also whispers something to Nanjo only at the time, though I am really not sure about the significance, was she telling him a plan? Was it definitely Nanjo when the body was found?) George offers to go but Rosa stops him claiming she wants to talk to him, but she in essence she stops George from seeing the murder of Nanjo and Kumasawa. Rosa stopped him, and so the murder removes those two without anyone not part of her own side seeing it. Of course she also did not trust the servants and only wanted the Ushiromiyas to remain, and most likely sent Nanjo to keep an eye on them.
Battler, Rosa, Maria and George remain. Well then, there is the whole magic scene and Nanjo and Kumasawa end up being killed. Or rather, simply Shannon and Genji killed them, yet somehow Gohda does not see or is oblivious? Considering the idea of the introduction of the 'Wolves and Sheep Puzzle', I thought that Gohda may also be part of the accomplices and helps with killing them and then moving the bodies out into the courtyard before they go back. Then they lock the room, and report about the 'attack by Kanon' - who was meant to be some goat (again scapegoat? I'm probably pushing it). A reason why I suspect Gohda is that it is also one of the only two ways to create the closed room murder in Natsuhi's room. Alternatively, the deaths may still be in order. For example, Nanjo and Kumasawa may have been injured but not killed, though they are taken captive or something. They are discovered as the 7th and 8th Twilight, though they may really have been killed after Shannon, George and Gohda were killed. They are simply discovered before the other twilights. Spoiler for 4th, 5th and 6th Twilight:
After the master keys came into Rosa's control, never did any of them leave her hands! Except for the time when she lent it to Battler to unlock Natsuhi's room.
At this stage, two possibilites: Do note, that using the red, it could only be these two possibilities since Battler was keeping an eye on Rosa and he would surely have noticed if she left the room. Gohda killed the two, and then using Natsuhi's key, locked the room and placed it in George's pocket before pretending to be dead. Once he had killed the two, he had informed Genji before returning and playing dead. Battler observes George's corpse, and Shannon's face with a gaping hole. But does he check Gohda, who has fallen face down in front of the door as stated by Battler, and confirm his death by viewing his face? Nope. Therefore, Gohda killed/ had already killed them, and simply set up himself to seem dead in front of the door after locking the room from the inside. I checked the anime version of this scene and it showed Gohda facing upwards, I'm not sure if this can be used to prove his innnocence but I think the anime may be used to provide the hint that he was indeed dead. This may also help to establish that Rosa was not replaced. Another possibility is that if Jessica was playing dead back in her room instead of replacing Rosa, and then went around commiting the murders, and that she placed the key in George's pocket before hiding somewhere in the room such as below the bed. There is no red to confirm or disprove this. If one is disproved, it essentially helps to narrow down the theory so much, or if the Rosa = fake thing is confirmed or denied, suspicion of Gohda is possibly reduced. Side note: Battler did observe Shannon's face but Rosa, pulled him back due to 'disturbing proof'. Unlikely though it may actually have been to prevent Battler noticing something strange about the 'corpse'; or rather, that it was not Shannon but a fake. I don't think the detective can make such mistakes though, since he clearly stated he saw her insides. Spoiler for The letter in the parlor, discord:
When Genji reports to them about Nanjo and Kumasawa in the courtyard:
Since it was Rosa oba-san's job to ready the gun and stand guard, it fell to me to remove the barricade of sofas. When I finished, I took a backward glance at Rosa oba-san, who was pointing the barrel of the gun over my shoulder, and opened the door. It is possible for her to place it down at this stage while Battler is looking away. Alternatively, (this happens right after): It felt kind of unpleasant, as though she suspected that I might have secretly unlocked them when she wasn't looking. ...No maybe Rosa oba-san was right for being this cautious... Battler passes it off as her checking the locks again and thinks nothing of it, yet, she could have actually unlocked one of the windows when she 'goes back to ensure the windows are all locked', thus an accomplice came in and set the letter down. It may have been Nanjo going by the whole Rosa whispering something to him (assuming he faked his death - though this does implicate Rosa so much) She could have also placed the letter down at this stage since she must have been the last one to exit the room and it is definitely unsure whether Battler saw her as she left the room. After discovering the corpses in Natsuhi's room: Even though Rosa oba-san still held all of the master keys herself, she thoroughly checked the inside of the parlor again. She opened the curtains, and checked to make sure the windows were locked. As I watched, .....how should I say it, it felt like it didn't really matter anymore. If I said anything unnecesary, it would turn into a fight. For a while, I gazed at her from the corrider, figured I had waited just about long enough, and entered the parlor behind her Where she locks the closed window completing the closed parlor room. Though it seems strange if Battler was staring at her and did not notice anything suspicious. Strangely, in EP1 as well, a letter appears in a closed room with Maria. That particular letter only appears when Maria is present. Perhaps she is responsible for it, or related in some other fashion. Battler does not keep an eye on Maria, he was staring at Rosa, and Rosa was checking all of the locks. Maria could have approached the table, put the letter down and then moved away. She was simply ordered to do so by Beatrice and then act as if she did not know about it 'to make everyone believe in the witch'. The problem is how Maria would have known to set the letter down, would she not have to be in contact with Beatrice? I can only assume Beatrice told Maria to do it when no one was looking at her, and this was the only opportunity since she was playing puzzles with Battler all the time. I don't like suspecting Maria but it does seem quite possible. Also, Rosa never shoots Battler at the end - so either she is innocent, or I guess one could argue that when she was bought out for the murders, she was told to keep him close to her and then chase him away when everyone was dead. The latter seems a bit strange but not unlikely. Lastly, I think another possibility is that someone snuck the letter into Maria's notebook, on like a really late puzzle. Or Rosa found it somewhere on Maria, and at the time only Battler was in the room so she suspected he was the one to put it there, and therefore set it up so that she could definitely blame him. Though this is a bit loose. Spoiler for Kyrie's action:
Her actions seem very suspicious. She seems to be the one who goes up to Rosa, talk about Maria and Ange together with her and causes Rosa to remember about Maria being outside. As a result, Rosa rushes out. The adults are confused and surprised by her actions:
Kyrie: "Oh, no. The sky is getting dark quickly. It's almost as though the people in this room have made the weather worse. ......There's already thunder. Oh? Was that one there...? Rosa:"Huh?" There really were small splashes of rain on the glass of the parlor window. ...It seemed as though the weather had gotten worse than expected. ......Just then, a silent thunderbolt struck inside Rosa's head, and she remembered her beloved child was in the rose garden. etc. ......That's right, I.........told that kid, ...................just to stay there doing that forever didn't I...? Rosa:"Oh, ......oh no...! Maria...!!" Everyone looked back at Rosa when she let out a small scream. Krauss:"...What, what happened?" Rosa:"I, I'm sorry, I'm going outside for a second. I'll be right back!" Rudolf:"......What the, what's going on with her, really... Kyrie:"It's fine right? She'll be right back. ......More importantly, should we begin? Our main topic." Eva:"That's right. We can keep talking about this without Rosa. Let's return to our discussion." (Only Kyrie's sprite on screen at this time) Kyrie:"............" Because of this, Rosa happens to just bump into Beatrice with Maria. Kyrie is also the only other adult to have claimed to have met this Beatrice when she steps outside the room for a bit. Calling it coincidence seems a bit of a strech, but only because of the way Ryu made this whole scene just stand out in a way, with the way the conversation went. In addition, she seems to not know about the 'blackmail' plan in EP2 whereas in EP5 it is strongly hinted she is the one who came up with it. Rather than discontinuity between episodes, couldn't it be that Rudolf and Kyrie were acting, so that Kyrie would be 'innocent' to the eyes of the adults - and that they were in fact planning murder? Spoiler for Extra (Not that important - just some other random thoughts):
About the existence of 'Beatrice' whom Rosa and Kyrie both happen to view: Rosa views Beatrice in the rose garden after rushing out for Maria. This Beatrice does 'magic' and gives Maria her candy. Of course, if you rewind a bit to when Rosa crushed the candy and left, Kanon actually observed it all and comes along, trying to give Maria a 'similar candy' that he said he had, upon which he reached for it in his pocket, only to be declined the offer by Maria. "That's right.........I'll exchange it for something I received earlier." Kanon remembered that a similar candy which he had received from Maria was in his pocket. Flash forward to this magic trick. It was simply a sleight of hand carried out by 'Beatrice', whom replaced the candy and making it appear as magic. In addition, I do not see why Kyrie would blatantly lie about meeting Beatrice to the relatives (unless she planned to carry out murders that night as well) so the scene and this Beatrice, most likely existed even if not observed by Battler. Why I do not suspect Rosa? She questions Maria alone: Rosa was astonished. ...Only the Ushiromiya family mansion existed on this island. So there was no way that there were any humans other than themselves on this island. And yet, Maria said that she had been meeting with the suspicious woman every year during the family conference...... Anyone could technically have been used to ask this question, but the fact that it came from Rosa gives room to suggest she is not Beatrice. When they had to take the food to this 'mysterious 19th guest', Shannon was ordered to do so. Gohda was outraged and arguing against it, trying to get Genji to change his mind, but Shannon was chosen for the job, (then again this whole scene could be false). If Shannon = Beatrice, then it makes sense, and Genji is helping to cover it up. Who Beatrice could be is a bit of an awkward topic so I won't go too much into it. P.S. What if, like in EP2 with Rosa, in EP3 Eva was captured and then imprisoned in Kuwadorian - though this doesn't make too much sense I suppose. She was found there by the authorities in EP3. Rosa was actually imprisoned there as well but found a way out. Kyrie was the case in EP4 where she was imprisoned in Kuwadorian - she too escaped though she does seem more like a culprit. Kuwadorian is the supposed location of the gold, it may also be the place where you can survive whatever 'kills' everyone at 24:00 - (I've heard its a bomb?) Last edited by Pinguma; 2010-02-22 at 15:58. |
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