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D404 · 2009-05-16, 12:22

And if the original uploader is gone then you're fucked. Isn't the whole point of this thing to archive scripts for the future etc, or whatever? And most likely those people are going to be gone in the future. Again, retarded. Screw the 'ethical' (maybe a better word to use here) approach. Just take every script form everywhere and archive it, regardless. Fact is, were doing something illegal anyway, and I'll be damned if I give a crap about 'crediting' or who 'rightfully owns' certain translations.

edogawaconan · 2009-05-16, 13:01

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Originally Posted by D404

And if the original uploader is gone then you're fucked. Isn't the whole point of this thing to archive scripts for the future etc, or whatever? And most likely those people are going to be gone in the future. Again, retarded. Screw the 'ethical' (maybe a better word to use here) approach. Just take every script form everywhere and archive it, regardless. Fact is, were doing something illegal anyway, and I'll be damned if I give a crap about 'crediting' or who 'rightfully owns' certain translations.

But then... this thread is going nowhere. :<
There should be option/agreement to make it public domain (or removed) if the owner can't be contacted
And I think the ones that's going to be protected are faghardsubs - including sign typeset, karaoke, etc.

D404 · 2009-05-16, 13:23

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Originally Posted by edogawaconan

But then... this thread is going nowhere. :<
There should be option/agreement to make it public domain (or removed) if the owner can't be contacted
And I think the ones that's going to be protected are faghardsubs - including sign typeset, karaoke, etc.

I will make it my personal mission to OCR all hardsubs and redo all signs if any grp wishes to keep it's subs 'secure'. 'Cause that's how I roll.

getfresh · 2009-05-16, 15:17

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Originally Posted by D404

I will make it my personal mission to OCR all hardsubs and redo all signs if any grp wishes to keep it's subs 'secure'. 'Cause that's how I roll.

Oh, you rebel you...

bayoab · 2009-05-17, 05:34

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Originally Posted by Quarkboy

Just out of curiosities sake, has there ever been a case of a company stealing a fansub script and using it themselves except for that one time with Odex and Haruhi, which was not actually Odex's fault, but the shady subcontrators they hired to "translate" the show?

Beside Odex's contracted "translators" (that wasn't the only time) and bootleggers, there have been none.

DmonHiro · 2009-05-18, 01:54

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. The extra security features are an exercise in futility. You want to make a database with anime scripts, right? But you want to restrict access so that other groups don't use those scripts for their releases? Then WTF IS the database for? Disregarding that any idiots can either demux the subs (if softsub) or OCR then (if hardsub), why else would I register to that database UNLESS I want to use those scripts for my release?

Quarkboy · 2009-05-18, 02:05

Ah! There is a solution to this!

Instead of storing the scripts in a password protected database, you store them in completely open bmp images... You just run each line through one of the more insidious captcha obfuscators and save the image file.

Then, any human can access and read the scripts (if they squint hard enough, anyway), but they can't be OCR'ed and they can't be demuxed! The only way people could copy them would be transcription, which no one ever wants to do

.

There, problem solved. No registration or passwords or trust needed. Just throw them on a public webpage.

P.S. I think maybe we see why this argument is pretty ridiculous.

Heibi · 2009-05-18, 10:29

The whole point of what Getfresh is trying to do is to create a resource for fansubbers. He's putting forth the idea of how to make it work and trying to secure as best he can. No security is perfect but to whine about and bemoan him for trying is pointless. If you have nothing constructive to add I fail to see why you need to post. Because if Getfresh accomplishes it you know you'll leech it and secretly thank him under your breath.(You'd never outright thank someone from what I've read)

This thread wasn't one to debate whether it should be done, but HOW it should be done. Naturally, the nay-sayers and trollers came out of the wood-work and attacked the idea.(Mostly under the security aspect it seems)

Heck, if it is somewhat secure I'd start putting our LOGH and other stuff there for use.

Oh, well.

DmonHiro · 2009-05-18, 10:55

Most likely people are not suggesting ways about how it should work because they are like me. I, HONEST TO GOD, do not understand what this database want to do. Seriously, I don't understand. All I got is that there would be a database where you could find scripts for anime. OK, but why? What is the point. If it's a resource for fansubbers, why would it have a password? Again, I'm not trying to troll. If someone would make a specific post about what this database should be like, maybe I, and others like me, could give suggestions.

asunder · 2009-05-18, 11:01

I think what this thread is lacking is the purpose of what script club is. I don't really see this of any value to fansubbers unless you want to preserve the culture/history of older fansubs. I can certainly see this as being useful for fans / groups that take subs and place them on a better quality video.

Will the site be limited to unlicensed subs? You need to be aware that script databases may not be considered "fair-use" depending on where you live and what mood the judge may be in.
see: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/3764.cfm
http://merlin.obs.coe.int/iris/2004/3/article28.en.html
http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2009/03...rgeted-studios
http://torrentfreak.com/wikisubtitle...outfit-080520/

That being said, I usually use http://www.opensubtitles.org/en for any foreign movies I download that don't have subtitles.

cardcrusher · 2009-05-18, 12:09

Well, since we aren't group leaders of well established groups, who have a highly trusted reputation in the community for "ethical" behavior, I assume getfresh isn't going to bother clarify the purpose of the site for us. After all, only group leaders, of well established groups who have a highly trusted reputation in the community for "ethical" behavior are supposed to know about it now.

Heibi · 2009-05-18, 12:40

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Originally Posted by cardcrusher

Well, since we aren't group leaders of well established groups, who have a highly trusted reputation in the community for "ethical" behavior, I assume getfresh isn't going to bother clarify the purpose of the site for us. After all, only group leaders, of well established groups who have a highly trusted reputation in the community for "ethical" behavior are supposed to know about it now.

Well, since the site isn't even re-established in full yet, what do you expect. You are yet another example of nownownownow, gimmiegimmiegimmie people who deride Getfresh's idea.

Give him ideas instead of taunting and whining.

DmonHiro · 2009-05-18, 13:15

[QUOTE=Heibi;2402501Give him ideas instead of taunting and whining.[/QUOTE]

Ideas for what? Most of us still don't know what he's doing this for. How do you give someone an idea of how to do something if you don't know what that something is? Why doesn't anyone just say what this database is for? Is it to store scripts? Is it to make it easier for fansubs to find translations? Is it for using with raws?

Heibi · 2009-05-18, 13:25

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Originally Posted by DmonHiro

Ideas for what? Most of us still don't know what he's doing this for. How do you give someone an idea of how to do something if you don't know what that something is? Why doesn't anyone just say what this database is for? Is it to store scripts? Is it to make it easier for fansubs to find translations? Is it for using with raws?

Well, since you haven't been able to figure it out:

Probably a "database"(get it?) that has *gasp* scripts(get it?) that fansubbers(get it?) can use. Just like the old one. You could go there and download timed and untimed scripts to use with shows you have on LD/Tape/DVD/RAW. (get it yet?) There won't be scripts for licensed stuff. Simply put, a scripts "DATABASE."

There, put simple for the simple minded folks.

DmonHiro · 2009-05-18, 14:26

In my defense, I never visited the old site. But here's what I don't get. If this database would be fore downloading timed and untimed scripts for use with LD/Tape/DVD/RAW, then why would security be needed?

Also, there is no need to be a wise ass, since nobody actually explained why the database was made, or why security would be needed. I mean, explained in a way that makes sense. The only way this database would be useful, in my opinion, is if it held scripts for shows that weren't subbed. Maybe for anime that was only hardsubbed too, but OCR is piss easy as long as you have a brain and one functioning arm.

So, here's my question: Why would security be needed if the database has a download option?

Heibi · 2009-05-18, 16:26

Probably to keep Hong Kong bootleggers from it. Probably wouldn't work in that aspect though.

As to being wise-ass...what else do you expect? When someone says he wants to establish a scripts database and folks keep hounding him on what it is for, you gotta wonder...

And a script database can also be useful even for shows that have been fansubbed. There are folks who don't like the encode, the font, or the quality and want to redo it for themselves. I've done that way back in the olden days.

Quarkboy · 2009-05-18, 21:09

Okay, I have a constructive comment this time:

I think the only security that is really needed here is a time-lock. Really simple. Scripts can be uploaded to the database, and the uploader choses at the time they upload how long the scripts are locked out from downloading until they become available.

A script database is pretty useless for brand new shows where the original torrents/shows are still widely available, but after a year or two when those torrents/files might get harder to find, having a script database might be a useful tool.

Also, HK bootleggers don't go around authoring DVDs of old series, they do the latest shows just like fansubbers, so by keeping scripts locked for a while that helps lessen that possibility.

No registration or other complicated authentication process.... Just a simple time lock, chosen by the uploader. I don't think that's particularly elitist and it could be useful to some people.

日本ひきこもり協会 · 2009-05-19, 05:02

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Originally Posted by Quarkboy

Okay, I have a constructive comment this time:

I think the only security that is really needed here is a time-lock. Really simple. Scripts can be uploaded to the database, and the uploader choses at the time they upload how long the scripts are locked out from downloading until they become available.

A script database is pretty useless for brand new shows where the original torrents/shows are still widely available, but after a year or two when those torrents/files might get harder to find, having a script database might be a useful tool.

Also, HK bootleggers don't go around authoring DVDs of old series, they do the latest shows just like fansubbers, so by keeping scripts locked for a while that helps lessen that possibility.

No registration or other complicated authentication process.... Just a simple time lock, chosen by the uploader. I don't think that's particularly elitist and it could be useful to some people.

Time lock is stupid too IMNFHO. What if I want to take the script and mux it in a better raw? And why are you so concerned about bootleggers? Sounds like a cheap excuse to me. You know, they can still OCR subs from existing fansubs. The whole security idea is downright stupid and attracts negative comments.

getfresh · 2009-05-19, 08:39

It isn't that it attracts negative comments, it's that it is your personalities that are negative to begin with. You seem to be able to only focus on what you see as being wrong and nothing else. If you think being snide and nasty will ever get you anywhere you are sorely mistaken.

cyth · 2009-05-19, 09:50

What's wrong with this club is that it's a relic of the past, therefore most of us see no reason for putting effort into something that's not going to be of much use to anybody. This thread is just nonsense, not just from the proposed ideas (do they even need a public discussion?), but also in the sense that you gave fansubbing newfags a final chance to vent at the oldfags. I imagine that we won't be seeing threads like this anymore.

2009-05-18, 02:05	Link #47
Quarkboy Translator, Producer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Age: 44	Ah! There is a solution to this! Instead of storing the scripts in a password protected database, you store them in completely open bmp images... You just run each line through one of the more insidious captcha obfuscators and save the image file. Then, any human can access and read the scripts (if they squint hard enough, anyway), but they can't be OCR'ed and they can't be demuxed! The only way people could copy them would be transcription, which no one ever wants to do . There, problem solved. No registration or passwords or trust needed. Just throw them on a public webpage. P.S. I think maybe we see why this argument is pretty ridiculous. __________________ Read Light Novels in English at J-Novel Club! Translator, Producer, Japan Media Export Expert Founder and Owner of J-Novel Club Sam Pinansky

2009-05-18, 10:29	Link #48
Heibi Ancient Fansubber Fansubber Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: KS	The whole point of what Getfresh is trying to do is to create a resource for fansubbers. He's putting forth the idea of how to make it work and trying to secure as best he can. No security is perfect but to whine about and bemoan him for trying is pointless. If you have nothing constructive to add I fail to see why you need to post. Because if Getfresh accomplishes it you know you'll leech it and secretly thank him under your breath.(You'd never outright thank someone from what I've read) This thread wasn't one to debate whether it should be done, but HOW it should be done. Naturally, the nay-sayers and trollers came out of the wood-work and attacked the idea.(Mostly under the security aspect it seems) Heck, if it is somewhat secure I'd start putting our LOGH and other stuff there for use. Oh, well. __________________ Heibi Central Anime http://www.centralanime.net/caforums2011/

2009-05-18, 11:01	Link #50
asunder the ancient biter Join Date: Mar 2006	I think what this thread is lacking is the purpose of what script club is. I don't really see this of any value to fansubbers unless you want to preserve the culture/history of older fansubs. I can certainly see this as being useful for fans / groups that take subs and place them on a better quality video. Will the site be limited to unlicensed subs? You need to be aware that script databases may not be considered "fair-use" depending on where you live and what mood the judge may be in. see: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/3764.cfm http://merlin.obs.coe.int/iris/2004/3/article28.en.html http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2009/03...rgeted-studios http://torrentfreak.com/wikisubtitle...outfit-080520/ That being said, I usually use http://www.opensubtitles.org/en for any foreign movies I download that don't have subtitles. __________________ Visit ANBU at IRC: #anbudom @ irc.rizon.net Website/blag http://anbudom.net

2009-05-18, 16:26	Link #56
Heibi Ancient Fansubber Fansubber Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: KS	Probably to keep Hong Kong bootleggers from it. Probably wouldn't work in that aspect though. As to being wise-ass...what else do you expect? When someone says he wants to establish a scripts database and folks keep hounding him on what it is for, you gotta wonder... And a script database can also be useful even for shows that have been fansubbed. There are folks who don't like the encode, the font, or the quality and want to redo it for themselves. I've done that way back in the olden days. __________________ Heibi Central Anime http://www.centralanime.net/caforums2011/ Last edited by Heibi; 2009-05-18 at 16:28. Reason: aded

2009-05-18, 21:09	Link #57
Quarkboy Translator, Producer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Age: 44	Okay, I have a constructive comment this time: I think the only security that is really needed here is a time-lock. Really simple. Scripts can be uploaded to the database, and the uploader choses at the time they upload how long the scripts are locked out from downloading until they become available. A script database is pretty useless for brand new shows where the original torrents/shows are still widely available, but after a year or two when those torrents/files might get harder to find, having a script database might be a useful tool. Also, HK bootleggers don't go around authoring DVDs of old series, they do the latest shows just like fansubbers, so by keeping scripts locked for a while that helps lessen that possibility. No registration or other complicated authentication process.... Just a simple time lock, chosen by the uploader. I don't think that's particularly elitist and it could be useful to some people. __________________ Read Light Novels in English at J-Novel Club! Translator, Producer, Japan Media Export Expert Founder and Owner of J-Novel Club Sam Pinansky

2009-05-16, 12:22	Link #41
D404 Banned Join Date: Aug 2006	And if the original uploader is gone then you're fucked. Isn't the whole point of this thing to archive scripts for the future etc, or whatever? And most likely those people are going to be gone in the future. Again, retarded. Screw the 'ethical' (maybe a better word to use here) approach. Just take every script form everywhere and archive it, regardless. Fact is, were doing something illegal anyway, and I'll be damned if I give a crap about 'crediting' or who 'rightfully owns' certain translations.

2009-05-18, 01:54	Link #46
DmonHiro Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Romania Age: 37	I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. The extra security features are an exercise in futility. You want to make a database with anime scripts, right? But you want to restrict access so that other groups don't use those scripts for their releases? Then WTF IS the database for? Disregarding that any idiots can either demux the subs (if softsub) or OCR then (if hardsub), why else would I register to that database UNLESS I want to use those scripts for my release?

2009-05-18, 10:55	Link #49
DmonHiro Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Romania Age: 37	Most likely people are not suggesting ways about how it should work because they are like me. I, HONEST TO GOD, do not understand what this database want to do. Seriously, I don't understand. All I got is that there would be a database where you could find scripts for anime. OK, but why? What is the point. If it's a resource for fansubbers, why would it have a password? Again, I'm not trying to troll. If someone would make a specific post about what this database should be like, maybe I, and others like me, could give suggestions.

2009-05-18, 12:09	Link #51
cardcrusher Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008	Well, since we aren't group leaders of well established groups, who have a highly trusted reputation in the community for "ethical" behavior, I assume getfresh isn't going to bother clarify the purpose of the site for us. After all, only group leaders, of well established groups who have a highly trusted reputation in the community for "ethical" behavior are supposed to know about it now.

2009-05-18, 13:15	Link #53
DmonHiro Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Romania Age: 37	[QUOTE=Heibi;2402501Give him ideas instead of taunting and whining.[/QUOTE] Ideas for what? Most of us still don't know what he's doing this for. How do you give someone an idea of how to do something if you don't know what that something is? Why doesn't anyone just say what this database is for? Is it to store scripts? Is it to make it easier for fansubs to find translations? Is it for using with raws?

2009-05-18, 14:26	Link #55
DmonHiro Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Romania Age: 37	In my defense, I never visited the old site. But here's what I don't get. If this database would be fore downloading timed and untimed scripts for use with LD/Tape/DVD/RAW, then why would security be needed? Also, there is no need to be a wise ass, since nobody actually explained why the database was made, or why security would be needed. I mean, explained in a way that makes sense. The only way this database would be useful, in my opinion, is if it held scripts for shows that weren't subbed. Maybe for anime that was only hardsubbed too, but OCR is piss easy as long as you have a brain and one functioning arm. So, here's my question: Why would security be needed if the database has a download option?

2009-05-19, 08:39	Link #59
getfresh done Fansubber Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Yokosuka, JP Age: 43	It isn't that it attracts negative comments, it's that it is your personalities that are negative to begin with. You seem to be able to only focus on what you see as being wrong and nothing else. If you think being snide and nasty will ever get you anywhere you are sorely mistaken.

2009-05-19, 09:50	Link #60
cyth Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Age: 38	What's wrong with this club is that it's a relic of the past, therefore most of us see no reason for putting effort into something that's not going to be of much use to anybody. This thread is just nonsense, not just from the proposed ideas (do they even need a public discussion?), but also in the sense that you gave fansubbing newfags a final chance to vent at the oldfags. I imagine that we won't be seeing threads like this anymore.