Saijaku muhai no Bahamut

[Bugfragged]

I think Lux's doubt is due to Listelka's (questionable) testimony about Sacred Eclipse from Volume 8 Chapter 2, which made it sound like the Lords and not the clan of traitors were the ones who wanted the "kill everyone who opposes us" function.

I wonder what exactly Fugil is planning to do about Sacred Eclipse's corruption? Does he even have a plan to fix it? The epilogue of Volume 14 makes it sound like he has something in mind.

[DragonOsman]

I just read Chapter 2.

I wonder why Lux "kidnapped" Lisha. What does he plan to do exactly? He couldn't be planning to tell her the whole truth, could he? She probably won't believe it that easily after all.

It's sad how Lux thinks he can't convey his feelings to Krulcifer and the others anymore. I really didn't like that he said that. It kind of makes it sound like this series will have a tragic ending or an ending where he can't be with any or all of them at all and I hate that.

Why couldn't Krulcifer tell that she was fighting Lux? Is it Aeril's Brain Hack, or something he obtained from his own Baptism? Or maybe something in Bahamut itself?

Anyway, it said that they have ten days to find the location of Avalon and take it down. If Raffi's side manage to find the Grand Force within that time, they'll do another world revision and with that Lux's side will lose. So I guess that to create suspense, the author is going to make it look like Raffi's side is going to succeed and then he'll make Lux somehow win at the last second or day or something. But I also wonder what Lisha is going to do now that she overheard Lux and Alma talking about killing Raffi at the end of the Volume (if that's when it happens).

Lisha hasn't completely seen through Raffi's abnormality yet, but she did notice something. I hope that's just the start and that she'll eventually realize the truth because it'd really suck if nothing comes from that scene with her noticing some abnormality in Raffi's appearance.

[ThorPL123]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

I just read Chapter 2.

I wonder why Lux "kidnapped" Lisha. What does he plan to do exactly? He couldn't be planning to tell her the whole truth, could he? She probably won't believe it that easily after all.

It's sad how Lux thinks he can't convey his feelings to Krulcifer and the others anymore. I really didn't like that he said that. It kind of makes it sound like this series will have a tragic ending or an ending where he can't be with any or all of them at all and I hate that.

Why couldn't Krulcifer tell that she was fighting Lux? Is it Aeril's Brain Hack, or something he obtained from his own Baptism? Or maybe something in Bahamut itself?

Anyway, it said that they have ten days to find the location of Avalon and take it down. If Raffi's side manage to find the Grand Force within that time, they'll do another world revision and with that Lux's side will lose. So I guess that to create suspense, the author is going to make it look like Raffi's side is going to succeed and then he'll make Lux somehow win at the last second or day or something. But I also wonder what Lisha is going to do now that she overheard Lux and Alma talking about killing Raffi at the end of the Volume (if that's when it happens).

Lisha hasn't completely seen through Raffi's abnormality yet, but she did notice something. I hope that's just the start and that she'll eventually realize the truth because it'd really suck if nothing comes from that scene with her noticing some abnormality in Raffi's appearance.

IIRC they want use to Lisha to bargain with Raffi(and Raffi's side got Alma as their prisoner)

Yes, Aeril's abilities were used to deceive others that person who was using Bahamut wasn't Lux.

It's still weird, since we have only 2 persons using Bahamut, Lux and Fugil.(he can use any drag ride tho) that Girls did'nt noticed that there is something suspicious that they were fighting Bahamut(it's not like there is a lot of drag rides that have similar ability to Reload of Fire).

[DragonOsman]

Yeah, normally they should've been able to tell easily that it's Lux. It's only because their perception was being messed with that they couldn't. Great work, Aeril.

By the way. Even if Lux takes Lisha to the Azure Division hideout to use her as a bargaining chip, isn't she still going to notice that he's the leader once she goes there? Or does Aeril continue to mess with her perception even then?

[saw2097]

I am sure its obvious to everyone, but I think Fugil intends for Lux to overthrow Raffi in the end, he is just trying to put him in a situation where he has no choice but to become King in the end just as he originally planned.

I also think Fugil intends for Lux to kill him and destroy Avalon in the end, he wants Lux to prove him wrong.

[DragonOsman]

I hope you're right. But the way he acts makes me think otherwise.

And it's not obvious to me that he intends for Lux to overthrow Raffi. Maybe it's because I haven't read the whole Volume yet (still need to start on Chapter 3).

[saw2097]

The thing about Fugil is that his plans and intentions are never straightforward, there is always a twist to them.

He is also never truly shocked about anything.

[DragonOsman]

He seemed like he also expected Lux to still be onto him and Raffi and just pretending to not be, when Raffi tested him. He acts in front of Raffi as if he doesn't believe he could be just pretending, but he knows Lux so yeah.

[Mirable]

Nah, Fugil is too old for this shit, this guy already lived for millennium.

I think at this point Fugil doesn't give a damn anymore about Lux or which side gonna win.

If Lux lose then that's mean he will find the next qualified person and continute his duty as usual but if Lux defeats Raffi, destroy Avalon and kill him as a plus then that's mean he will be free from this duty and finally can be with Arshalia again.

No matter what outcome is, it's a win-win for Fugil.

[Bugfragged]

I'm still bothered about El Fajura and Listelka's conflicting claims about who gets credit for making Sacred Eclipse hostile, so I have a hypothesis that could solve the contradiction.
-The traitor family that Fugil belongs to used Endless to make everyone think they're the legit Arcadia family while the previous rulers are portrayed as traitors, effectively switching their places.
-This would mean Listelka's side of the family is the same as Fugil's while Arshalia's side of the family is the same as Lux's.

[sierra117]

Originally Posted by Bugfragged

I'm still bothered about El Fajura and Listelka's conflicting claims about who gets credit for making Sacred Eclipse hostile, so I have a hypothesis that could solve the contradiction.
-The traitor family that Fugil belongs to used Endless to make everyone think they're the legit Arcadia family while the previous rulers are portrayed as traitors, effectively switching their places.
-This would mean Listelka's side of the family is the same as Fugil's while Arshalia's side of the family is the same as Lux's.

or the Lords were the one who behind it but they shift or instigate the blame to CoT

[haseo0408]

Originally Posted by Mirable

Nah, Fugil is too old for this shit, this guy already lived for millennium.

I think at this point Fugil doesn't give a damn anymore about Lux or which side gonna win.

If Lux lose then that's mean he will find the next qualified person and continute his duty as usual but if Lux defeats Raffi, destroy Avalon and kill him as a plus then that's mean he will be free from this duty and finally can be with Arshalia again.

No matter what outcome is, it's a win-win for Fugil.

For as much as I want to see that asshole Fugil suffer I´m afraid you´re right on the money, you only have to look at how Fugil acts in almost every scene where he does not need to put an act, tired, going through the motions like a machines, indifferent to anyone. I think the only I´ve seen him getting angry was when Singlen to go to hell in Avalon and even then he looked mere annoyed more anything else in the illustration.

[DragonOsman]

Yeah, that's true too. Fugil not caring at this point. But if he had to choose, then at the moment he'd probably pick Lux over Raffi.

As for the Lords and the clan of traitors. I believe the current story more which says that the Lords were oppressors and that the clan of traitors rebelled against them. Lux is from the clan of traitors and Listelka was one of the Lords. Ironically, the clan of traitors also became oppressors. Lux, Aeril and Airi are the only sane or good people in the entire Arcadia family, whether it be the Lords' side or the clan of traitors' side. I do wonder if it was the clan of traitors who put that order into Sacred Eclipse that wasn't there before.

Edit to add: Okay, I just read Chapter 3. Seems like Lux finally found out the location of Avalon, though for that Yoruka would've had to have made it back from there first. Though it seems like she did.

But man, it really does seem like Fugil doesn't give a damn who wins here. He even had Yoruka treated and then let her go just because he was the one who found her and not Raffi.

Anyway, I'm still wondering if Lisha will find out the truth some time after seeing Lux's "betrayal". I mean, after all, now that she saw that and heard them talk about killing Raffi, there wouldn't be any more reason to hide everything from her, right? So maybe Lux and/or Aeril will also decide that now would be a good time to stop using Brain Hack on her.

Edit2: I just got done reading the Epilogue of the Volume. Damn, that darned cliffhanger! Well, I don't get why I was told that Lisha overheard Lux and Alma talking about killing Raffi, though, since that's not exactly what she overheard. What she overheard was just the proof of Lux's betrayal. I really hope that she'll at least try to find out why he's doing this first and doesn't just attack him first thing.

Celis noticed that she was fighting Lux, broke through the mind pollution, and held back from dealing a fatal blow to Lux at the last second, so I think she's going to learn the truth at some point in the next Volume. Hopefully soon. Krulcifer should be next after Phi-chan, too. So hopefully everyone in Syvalles will learn the truth somehow or other next Volume. That would be good.

[digitalak27]

I think I know where the story is going...

I think Sacred Eclipse is going to possess Lisha next.
There was that incident where Lux had met SE and was a form of Lisha begging him not to kill her.
She did meet Fugil before, back in the first volume during the rebellion.
There is also her insecurity as a princess, with her sister and knight rebelling against her we don't really know what mental turmoil she will go through, and her "mom" going all OM NOM NOM NOM NOM is going to get noticed by her soon.

All in all, I am okay with taking casualties as long as Krulcifer will win at the end. Actually I am hoping for deaths in the main competition so that the pool will be.... thinned out. I'll be sad, of course, but scarifies must be made! All in order for Best Girl, Krulcifer, and Best Mistress, Yoruka, to win.

[LeftSeven]

isn't lux a patriotic, is he?
logically, he should choose the girls within his country over the foreign one.

[sierra117]

Originally Posted by LeftSeven

isn't lux a patriotic, is he?
logically, he should choose the girls within his country over the foreign one.

no, he isn't, he care for the people, not the country itself

[DragonOsman]

@digitalal27: Lux has said already that he loves all of them. This means a True Harem is likelier, although it's also the answer most of them fear. At this point, Aeril, Yoruka and Philuffy are the only the ones who'd accept it. But I think the other girls can be convinced; the hardest would actually be Lisha.

Also, Philuffy is the main source of strength for Lux and his heart. She's the girl that's the most special to him, so her winning is already set in stone. And Lisha is the main heroine so her victory is also cemented. And if you already have two guaranteed, why not just make all of them win? Right? Not to mention that Yoruka also wants a True Harem for Lux. She's said it before.

As for Sacred Eclipse possessing anyone next: that's IMO a huge NO. It has to be stopped ASAP rather than being allowed to do anything else. And because they can't fight it directly since it's too powerful and will just come back even stronger even if they do manage to kill it, their best option is to reach the central room in Avalon and use the system there to stop Sacred Eclipse's functions. But for that they'll have to beat Fugil first, so he's the real boss here.

[tsunade666]

has the power been revealed? I have finished reading volume 17 but I haven't noticed when the power he received from the baptism was revealed. I believe it would be Chekhov' s gun there. would be trump/plot armor/ card here.

[DragonOsman]

It was revealed. What was strengthened was his foresight. It's mentioned when he's fighting Philuffy.

[LeftSeven]

that's it? nothing special, it similar to krul's