2009-03-16, 04:30 | Link #621 |
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You mean Erio was train 1-on-1 by Signum rather than Subaru...?
Though one thing we seem to be forgetting about clone heritage is that Belka traditionally had cloning, DNA modding and other now-illegal methods of reproduction, unlike our world. The Kaiser herself can be interpreted to have been a strain of super-clones from an Iron Womb to ensure genetic purity and maximum Rare Skill inheritance (I know this sounds like the Clans). Since that is recognized as the "Royal Line", Erio could well be a Knight because of being a clone of a boy of blue blood. That said, I haven't exactly seen any flashbacks of his original family in any sort of regality to even hint they were oldtype knights.
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2009-03-16, 04:40 | Link #622 | |
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And yes, I did forget that for a moment. Of course, that doesn't change much, considering noble lineage is not required for knighthood. Common, yes. Required, no. |
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2009-03-16, 14:11 | Link #623 | |
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Hayate and Carim boost each other credentials. Hayate viva Rein knows more Belken magic then the entire Saint church added together. Her and the knights add a certain legitamacy to the Church as the final arbitar of anything belken. Carim gets Hayate a boost viva politics as Hayate joins the TSAB under a cloud due the incident with the BoD. With one of the Board of directors in her corner it gives her more legitamacy and political power then just another reform Mage serving in the TSAB for past transgressions. Vivio really is a potiential headache for Carim. Currently as a little girl under Nanoha's care she is no problem but when she becomes a teenager with all the usual teenager problems.....
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2009-03-16, 14:25 | Link #626 |
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Chances are Vivio'd grow up to have totally prim-and-Suey teenage years that would be so boring that it would be skipped over just like Nanoha's. So Carym won't be worried about that for a while.
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2009-03-17, 03:09 | Link #627 |
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One points out that they wouldn't be making a manga series based off of it if Vivio wasn't going to have some exciting times. (Well, assuming it's not a gag manga...)
Should be a lot less of a problem than you'd think, though. Even going all out, Vivio ain't a match for her mom, and both of them know it; they'll go on knowing that for a while, even if Vivio becomes even stronger than Nanoha (and ain't that a scary thought). If anything, it's more likely that Vivio will want to follow in Nanoha-mama's footsteps, which is sure to provoke a mixed reaction in Nanoha. |
2009-03-17, 06:40 | Link #628 |
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It should be noted that if Vivio becomes as strong as Nanoha was during StrikerS, then she already has become stronger then Nanoha, due to Nanoha's damage after the Cradle incident.
Anyhoo, I wonder how much of a plot Vivio's heritage will become? I don't really see Nanoha as the franchise that throws in BetrayerS level plot... |
2009-03-17, 13:31 | Link #629 |
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I get this image of Nanoha yelling at Vivio for trying to go out and fight the bad guys... "You know that saving the world is a family activity!" Squabbling ensues over who gets stuck on minion duty.
My earlier point was that, even if Vivio becomes technically stronger, it's going to be some time before she internalizes that. How many people here could kick their dad's butt? Most boys reach that point in their teenage years, but the vast majority (thankfully) don't ever internalize that. Kick Dad's butt? Are you kidding? Dad is the -man-, he'd just refuse to get kicked. Nanoha is the same way, with extra reinforcement, because it's not just Vivio who thinks that Nanoha is tough. Heck, Vivio's already won the "my dad can beat up your dad" fights at school, with her mom; even in rebellious teenage mode, even if she's fully realized her power, she's not going to want to confront Nanoha head-on for a long, long time. |
2009-03-17, 14:06 | Link #630 |
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Nanoha'd probably still win even with Vivio being stronger out of the fact that she has more experience. The Cradle showed us that Nanoha's combat thinking was ahead of the actual fight by about an hour. She was hunting for quattro before she ever made contact with enemies inside the cradle.
Experience is a real killer in these kind of battles. Nanoha may feign weakness for half the fight just to draw Vivio in and waste her power, then trump her after Vivio's worn herself down. She doesn't have an 'invicible' power supply backing her this time. Or she could fake wearing down, pretend to have a second wind, wind down again, and then toss in a false third wind to pretend it's the end of her bluff. THEN throw it into fourth gear and pull a win. Nanoha's taken powerhouses down before. |
2009-03-17, 15:40 | Link #631 |
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Right, but it goes beyond that. Even if Vivio got really mad at Nanoha, is she going to sit down and think "well, these days I clock in at a low SS and Nanoha has to push to get to S+, I can probably take her?" Or is she going to remember being on the receiving end of an all-range attack? It will take a lot of actual combat experience before Vivio comes to a point where she can judge Nanoha outside the old paradigm, where Nanoha essentially curb-stomped Vivio in a caring fashion.
Of course the experience factor is also there, and even once Vivio catches up (assuming she ever does), Nanoha will still be wily and mean in a fight, and still probably have the advantage. But way before any actual confrontation, even if a pot-smoking Cinque was sitting there going "oh, it's just your old lady, you could totally take her!", Vivio wouldn't believe it. Especially if Dieci was there shaking her head... (For that matter, practically everyone in Vivio's circle of friends are "people who Nanoha has beat" or "people who were beat by other people who Nanoha beat"...) |
2009-03-17, 16:01 | Link #632 |
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That's part of the psychological factor of facing down Nanoha, but not the point I was making. Even if Vivio was out to trounce Nanoha as a personal goal of challenge, she'd probably still lose by operating on a power only basis because of Nanoha's combat proficiency.
One of the biggest elements that has always driven me nuts in fiction is the almost tunnel like focus on "POWER!" AKA STRENGTH when in a fight between highly skilled individuals, strength is merely a component of a more complete battle doctrine. One of the reasons special forces are so awesome is the fact that they don't have nearly the POWER they seem to have, yet project it because of their skill and method of fighting. These guys aren't carrying thousands of pounds of high explosive, but they take out stuff that an entire nation's air force couldn't get close to. If Vivio climbs into the double S power range, she may actually handicap her combat developement by relying on brute power even more than Nanoha does in a pinch. It's not until you face a superior opponent that you learn how to play the game to your full potential. |
2009-03-17, 16:18 | Link #633 |
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Nanoha herself is actually a prime example of this. She was always rushing into battle going 'zenryouku zenkai' on her enemies. It wasn't until doing so nearly got her killed that she sat down and thought "hmm, maybe I shouldn't push my body past its limits unless really really necessary."
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2009-03-18, 13:25 | Link #635 |
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it depends on when the manga is happening. if the teenage years the yes it will be exciting and action pack. but as she is now around 8 to 10 i think it will be more along a slice of life type.
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2009-03-18, 13:41 | Link #636 |
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Slice of life? In Nanoha? Surely you jest!
Sarcasm aside, Vivid takes place with a 10 year old Vivio. While I'm sure we'll be getting a few slice of life chapters, the real meat of Nanoha is magic battles, so I'm sure we'll be fed plenty of those too. |
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