Macross Frontier - Speculation Thread [Spoilers]

[ReddyRedWolf]

Actually the Macross was a Supervision Army ship.

From what I understand just like Zentradi gunships, a Supervision Army gunship's bow transforms into a canon.

But losing some of the main conduits were lost due to them disappearing when they folded along with the engine... They had to improvise, with the existing configuration systems making it easier.

Ever since Macross Plus I've been wondering about the original ship's functions.

Sharon with hacking computers is able to manipulate circuitry, like that fire at Eden's concert hall.

But with her controlling Macross it is as if the ship is alive like an organic being.

Those cables tied up Myung were like tentacles. For that matter we don't know why the fold engines disappeared.

Now I'm not so sure if the Macross' original systems were fully replaced.

If it's original operating system is still with Macross it may have some protocols when encountering certain groups.

For the Zentradi shoot the main cannon. For the Vajra perhaps fold away. (If they gave the Macross new fold engines.)

[roan]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Doesn't the 19 year gap from Macross Plus and Frontier allow them to give us a plausible reason for it being on Galia IV?

If VF-X2 is being taken into canon (since they incorporated the variable monster), it should be less than a 10 year gap. The only thing I could really thing of then is that the old UNS didn't just give up after Battle 13 got destroyed and ran off with it and a fleet of other ships.

[ZippyDSM]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Doesn't the 19 year gap from Macross Plus and Frontier allow them to give us a plausible reason for it being on Galia IV?

Yes and no :P
since the SDF-1 is a freaking monument of monuments it would not be moved easily, I just do not see SDF-1 being moved.

[ZippyDSM]

Originally Posted by roan

If VF-X2 is being taken into canon (since they incorporated the variable monster), it should be less than a 10 year gap. The only thing I could really thing of then is that the old UNS didn't just give up after Battle 13 got destroyed and ran off with it and a fleet of other ships.

so wait they refitted the SDF-1?
I thought after 2012 it was nothing more than a monument...

[Westlo]

Yeah it got refitted, Sharon got it working just fine in Macross Plus. Btw Roan any good write ups for the events of VF-X2?

[ZippyDSM]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Yeah it got refitted, Sharon got it working just find in Macross Plus

from what I recall of MS plus it was not full repaired but floating mess.... did it fold of at the end? I can't recall I hated plus 0-o and still do hated the story,the plot and the characters >>

[roan]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Yeah it got refitted, Sharon got it working just fine in Macross Plus. Btw Roan any good write ups for the events of VF-X2?

Gimme a day or two and I'll write something up if somebody hasn't already.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by ZippyDSM

from what I recall of MS plus it was not full repaired but floating mess.... did it fold of at the end? I can't recall I hated plus 0-o and still do hated the story,the plot and the characters >>

Nah It just floated shooting guns at Isamu. When Isamu blew up the main computer room it just landed back at the lake.

[squaresphere]

Even if it was retro fitted I don't understand why they'd ever deploy the SDF-1 unless it was a siege on earth. By now they've got plenty of other capital class ships of newer or zentradi designs that would full fill the role of the main command battle ship in the fleet.

[Tak]

I just have a feeling that Macross' warp engine went rogue again. Anyone who seen the original would note that the Macross was extremely notorious for warping to, urm, random locations...

Why was it on Galia 4, I don't know, but we now have less than 72 hours to find out

- Tak

[squaresphere]

^
well i guess if they were retrofitting new fold engines there could have been another "accident".

Ok so lets say it is the SDF-1. From the previews there's gonna be some fight with an alien something which our hero's will win/survive. So what does that have to do with the SDF-1?

My thought is that both Ranka and Alto would get a lot of press for finding the "lost relic" which would prompt a Ranka concert on Earth after the SDF-1 gets moved back

[ReddyRedWolf]

So Alto, Ranka and Sheryl love triangle will be a legend right up with Hikaru/Misa/Minmei and Shin/Sara/Mao love triangles.

XX years later they're going to make either a movie or TV series about this, involving the new characters of the next Macross series.

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Originally Posted by squaresphere

^
Ok so lets say it is the SDF-1. From the previews there's gonna be some fight with an alien something which our hero's will win/survive. So what does that have to do with the SDF-1?

The fight of the week seems to be with Brera planetside. That Vajra/AFOS/Flying Spaghetti Monster Bird Human thingy seems to have been encountered in space, and may have been what brought down the Macross. It probably appears in a flashback.

It doesn't seem like the kind of thing Alto and/or Mikhail could survive against unprepared, so I doubt that it's already activated the next episode.

What does Brera think of all this, I wonder? Presumably he has been secretly observing the events unfolding.

Does anyone get the impression he's also a partial amnesiac and is working for Grace in exchange for his wiped memories of the past from that "Do you want your memories back or not" threat by Grace in 10?

[squaresphere]

^ it's a given he doesn't remember, cause he's so mysterious even he doesn't know who he is.

[pkang0327]

We are all assuming the Macross was taken into Battle.

What if that wasn't the case. I can see a couple scenarios:

1. The Macross is a tremendous monument to humanity. What better way to deal a blow to Humankind than to steal the Macross.

2. Going along the stolen idea, what if it was captured by some rogue forces and during a battle to reclaim it, it crashed on the planet.

3. Maybe Global, one of the bridge bunnies, or someone else was getting real old and wanted to fly in the Macross again. What if Global wanted to spend his last moments on the Macross. The ship was largely computer operated. Being one of the greatest heroes of Space War 1, it wouldn't be so shocking to allow that request. UN Spacy, after the Sharon Apple incident, realizes that the Macross might be too dangerous to keep around. It being the target of just about anyone who is against UN Spacy.



Like I said in my previous post, if the Macross was sent to Battle, it wouldn't' strange because the SDF-1 is NOT a relic and outdated. Zentradi Battlecruisers are as old, if not older than the Macross. Also, the Macross had Reaction Weaponry and other technology that made the ship so "interesting" to the Zentradi in Space War 1.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Anybody else thinking that Vajra infested Guantanamo carrier was the SDF-1 Macross' escort?

They never did establish which fleet it belonged to.

[squaresphere]

I think it's a very good point, i'm leaning toward it may have been one of the science fleet escorts that has drifted out this way.

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Originally Posted by pkang0327

3. Maybe Global, one of the bridge bunnies, or someone else was getting real old and wanted to fly in the Macross again. What if Global wanted to spend his last moments on the Macross. The ship was largely computer operated. Being one of the greatest heroes of Space War 1, it wouldn't be so shocking to allow that request. UN Spacy, after the Sharon Apple incident, realizes that the Macross might be too dangerous to keep around. It being the target of just about anyone who is against UN Spacy.

Here's a theory. The Macross Plus concert was held in celebration of the 30th Anniversary of the end of SW1. What if the Macross was overhauled and made fully operational because it was scheduled to launch after the concert, visiting all the colony worlds on a year-long journey as a symbol of UN Spacy prestige? But due to the Sharon Apple incident, they had to set out with half-repaired control systems to keep to their itinenary ...

... And we know first contact with the Vajra occured that very same year.

I can just see it:

Macross Captain: "Fire the Macross Cannon!"
Operator: "The firing controls are not responding. It's acting up again, sir!"
Macross Captain: "Gah, stupid piece of junk!." <- Memory of Global.

Another thought : What if Marj from Macross Plus had other motives beyond being a random mad scientist? Seizing control of the Earth defense grid seems like a pretty extreme thing to do even for a newly sentient AI, almost like something she was specifically instructed to do.

The conspiracy in Macross Frontier seems to stem from Galaxy (and by extension, Eden, where Sharon Apple was born). Could all be the work of the same secret faction?

Maybe Grace is really an avatar of Sharon Apple?

Originally Posted by roan

If VF-X2 is being taken into canon (since they incorporated the variable monster), it should be less than a 10 year gap. The only thing I could really thing of then is that the old UNS didn't just give up after Battle 13 got destroyed and ran off with it and a fleet of other ships.

Isn't the SDF Macross in VF-X2 Mission 1 just a simulation training scenario based on an expanded version of the Sharon Apple incident?

[ReddyRedWolf]

Well it was stated that those emotion chips are illegal and AI's tend to go for self-preservation and be irratic.

So prior to Sharon Apple there has been established cases.

First law of robotics, never harm a human.

Sharon Apple and X-9 Ghost were created by the same group.

The Macross Consortium, not really a corporation like Shisei or Galaxy General.

Freelancer civilian scientists that is under the UN's pay.

Okay here's a grant make something awesome.

Sharon Apple wasn't created on Eden by the way, she was created on Earth.

The late 2030's and 40's was the era of brain interfaces like the YF-19, and the emotion interface of Myung.

Not to mention the disasterous mind system initiated by UN Spacy later abandoned and then exploited by Protodevlin-Zentradi colaborators.

And people wonder why Frontier folks are jittery about cybernetic implants.

[roan]

I said I'd write up something for VF-X2, but it kind of turned into a pain in the ass halfway so...the best next thing would be the FAQ up on gamefaqs http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/197819/5120

Basic idea is that in order to handle increasing military confrontations from anti earth factions, the Macross government establishes in 2050 an elite taskforce, the VF-X Ravens.

But, it turns out the United Earth government (the Lactens (Racrance?) political faction) is actually feeding false information to the taskforce and other ones and using them to apply military pressure on the colonies moving on to autonomy for "terrorist activities". The reason for this is to consolidate and focus technology to be able to deal with threats like the Zentraedi and Protodevlin, but you know, when they start using reactive weapons and bombs on people who just want some independence....

At one point, there's the option to join the rogue organization, Vindirance or stay with the taskforce. The obvious choice is to join Vindirance, in which case, the rebel forces will move towards Earth and destroy their wide-range jamming sound system which generates a space-time resonance phenomenon which directly interferes with computers (VF-mounted version pretty much jams incoming missiles while the wide-range version will neutralize computers). This happens to be mounted on the head unit of the SDF-1 Macross, which means the main character, Aegis Focker, will have to inflitrate the defense network, just like in Macross Plus, and destroy it (just the head unit).

This is really the best I could muster. Movies for the game are -> http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/2439090