Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 10 Discussion / Poll

[Whitemoon648]

A really good episode. Well i wonder if Pheles is that green haired girl in the OP.

Also another thing to mention is i think Sakai's dad is more than a regular person. I doubt he is just a regular person. I am saying this, because we dont know how Sakai got Reigi Maigo. So it will be interesting.

[akitakumi]

yeah i also think that the light green hair girl is pheles and he is finding johan which is in reiji maigo... anyway this episode was cool but i reli hope that shana is juliet

[Master Chibi]

What the crap did this show turn into?

I mean seriously, how many times did Shana and what's her face (this shows you how much I actually care at this point) just stare into nothingness after someone blubbered some cliche crap about love? When did this show turn into "101 mind numbingly long and slow ways to get into Yuji's pants?"

This show had a romantic aspect to it second, and all the mystery of being a flame haze, and where Shana came from, and the real FANTASY aspect is what pulled me in the first season. We already went through this crap with Shana and what's her face with the two dumb things in her hair fighting over him, why are they seriously pushing it again? It was seriously bad enough that the realtionship between Shana and Yuji reset at the start of the season (absolutely the worst direction to go with imo), but to DRAG this type of thing out with an obvious plot device that noone actually cares for (that being Konoe)?

Yuji's dad was pretty boring too. "Oh HEY SORRY, I LIKE STALKING GIRLS HALF MY AGE AND ALL, TEE HEE HEE". Yeah ok. Fifty bucks says Chigusa takes that sorry guy upstairs laters, puts a strap on, well, on, and goes to work on the guy. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Let's get to the really freaking meat of the show here, seriously.

[KaneDragon]

Haha, Yuji's dad just standing behind that lightpole all freaking day was just amusingly weird. Stalker-san must be spending time in jail between appearances, lol.

Where you been, Dad? It's been like, 30 episodes. Don't I even get a hug? ;_;

;_;

Agreed, Chibi, should have seen that "deep conversation about love" coming a mile away.

Looking forward to info on the Mango.

[Tokkan]

Originally Posted by Master Chibi

but to DRAG this type of thing out with an obvious plot device that noone actually cares for (that being Konoe)?

Konoe actually had something to do with what happened in this episode? Since when?

I suppose if was the wrong choice to put this arc after the Konoe arc, but it can't be helped. The stuff happening here (the festival, development of Shana's approach to Yuji) acts as a setup to a meaty part of the story.

[Master Chibi]

Well then they should have made this second season 13 episodes long. 10 episodes in and we've barely gotten anything worth remembering.

[Guardian Enzo]

I retain hope that Khamsin's reappearance might be a catalyst to bring some much needed ass-whuppin' to all this teen angst. Anyone who can make other flame haze wet themselves in fear at the mere mention that he plans to fight certainly has the mojo to make it happen.

[Anh_Minh]

So, who was Silver? The former owner of the Reiji Maigo? Just a freakish tomogara who ate the real Yuuji and made a torch out of him?

[Master Chibi]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

So, who was Silver? The former owner of the Reiji Maigo? Just a freakish tomogara who ate the real Yuuji and made a torch out of him?

Who cares?

We have to repeat what someone says 10 times during an episodes!

"IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME."

[Reckoner]

This is what we call a stalling episode folks! Get ready for some big plot development...

Overall this episode got an 7/10 from me as it did well for what it was intended to do. It got points knocked off for lame life advice (Honestly they make it seem like Shana is brain dead) and honestly crap drawing. Otherwise I was pleased that there was no more jealously going on since that was getting very annoying.

[Tokkan]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

This is what we call a stalling episode folks! Get ready for some big plot development...

Yeah... apart from the fact that the preview for the next episode flat out told us that there's going to be some big plot development.

[teachopvutru]

Originally Posted by Tokkan

Yeah... apart from the fact that the preview for the next episode flat out told us that there's going to be some big plot development.

For some reason, Shana's previews have always seem to give out a lot of the plot in the next episode.

[Grimkill7]

Originally Posted by tiachopvutru

For some reason, Shana's previews have always seem to give out a lot of the plot in the next episode.

I think it's because the show's former glory has been so corroded away, that they have to do whatever they can to get people to watch the next episode.

[Tokkan]

Originally Posted by Grimkill7

I think it's because the show's former glory has been so corroded away, that they have to do whatever they can to get people to watch the next episode.

Aside from eps 3-6, Shana II has been exactly like the first season in terms of storytelling. My observations have shown me that people are either bitter about those episodes and that's why they look down on the slice of life episodes, or they're completely missing what the focus of the story is. I'm liking season 2 so far, the only disappointment I had was the 4-episode length of the Konoe arc. That was unnecessary, the slice-of-life moments are an important element in Shana but to make a whole story arc based around it isn't exactly the smartest thing to do with a fantasy series, since it leaves the plot at a standstill.

[minhtam1638]

Originally Posted by Master Chibi

What the crap did this show turn into?

I mean seriously, how many times did Shana and what's her face (this shows you how much I actually care at this point) just stare into nothingness after someone blubbered some cliche crap about love? When did this show turn into "101 mind numbingly long and slow ways to get into Yuji's pants?"

This show had a romantic aspect to it second, and all the mystery of being a flame haze, and where Shana came from, and the real FANTASY aspect is what pulled me in the first season. We already went through this crap with Shana and what's her face with the two dumb things in her hair fighting over him, why are they seriously pushing it again? It was seriously bad enough that the realtionship between Shana and Yuji reset at the start of the season (absolutely the worst direction to go with imo), but to DRAG this type of thing out with an obvious plot device that noone actually cares for (that being Konoe)?

Yuji's dad was pretty boring too. "Oh HEY SORRY, I LIKE STALKING GIRLS HALF MY AGE AND ALL, TEE HEE HEE". Yeah ok. Fifty bucks says Chigusa takes that sorry guy upstairs laters, puts a strap on, well, on, and goes to work on the guy. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Let's get to the really freaking meat of the show here, seriously.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm personally offended by your words here.

So when did this show turn into 101 ways to whatever? Hello? Have you even read the novel material? As much as Shana's confession in season 1 was beautiful, IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO FRICKIN HAPPEN! Takahashi had to make sure J.C. Staff went to every single plot that was missing in season 1 that had a lot of emphasis on material.

So, you got pulled in by fantasy, eh? Well, this show isn't all about fun and games, you know. As much as this was considered shounen anime, I always detested calling this a shounen anime because of the romantic sub plot that isn't supposed to be a sub plot. It's supposed to be 50-50, not 80-20, and now J.C. Staff is working their butts off trying to fix it so it would be on par with the novels. Best way to do that? Add filler plot. Then emphasis is served. Why haven't we moved on to Novel 10-11 yet? To make sure we cover all the important parts in Novel 8-9 that were missed in S1, you have to add something boring that builds up the plot. I'm still sort of upset that the Fumina arc has dragged out for so long, but the build up to Episode 6 made that worth it. This episode is supposed to build up to the next episode, where a scene in particular discussed at the top of page 3 will get everyone's minds blowing and all of a sudden hate Wilhelmina regardless of how much plot she actually goes through.

And since when is this show going 2 courses? Last I checked, it wasn't even announced that we're going 24 episodes.

You want meat? Go through the fat first.

[holyman282]

Well because i'm a major fan of Shakugan no Shana, I won't rate it any lower then 7, although I was a bit dissapointed with this ep, not because of the character development but because of the way it's done.

I've raised this issue a couple of times, but the way in which the writers develop and grow the characters seems unusually forced. Taking long winded philosophy from their friends and family, while seemingly maturing the instance afterwards. There has to be a better way to teach the characters lessons about love and life, without sitting them down for 5 minutes while another character talks about "wanting to be close to this person". It just doesn't flow.

I much prefer characters that learn from experience then simply from a pep talk.

Otherwise, pretty nice ep, we got some clues about Konoe and now it's near certain that she's not human. Also it seemed like Pheles and Willhemina had some past relationship? Because look at the way Willhemina reacts to talk about Pheles and how her eyes seemingly begin to tremble.

[grey_moon]

Master Chibli I salute you!

Anyway on to my thoughts about epi 10....

Spoiler:

Okay I realise that Yoshida and Shana hanging out is supposes to signify their character growth, but after all the dango that has gone on between them its just too freaky now.

With Shana's lack of uresei and now them being bum chums, I just have no idea what show I am watching any more.

Good call on treating Margery like a wild beast who will charge at the first sign of a red flag. She has been one of the only ones to show any common (drunken) sense so far in S2. They don't watch enough anime to realise by keeping it a secret from her, Yuji will be forced to pull his powers out of his arse at a critical moment and Margery will see it and freak on him just when the situation couldn't get any worse.

@holyman282 - Hee hee I have to agree with you about the peptalk stuff. But then again we wouldn't have wasted, I mean watched 5 episodes of dumb arse Yuji if he could learn from experience instead of needing someone to spell stuff out on a big bill board for him. I'm still waiting for the person who will enlighten him.....

The reversal in Shana and Yoshida from Margery's pep talk annoyed the bleep out of me. I'm a great believer in karma and it just doesn't feel right for me when episode after episode of emo angsting gets swept under the carpet with a one liner.

Any ways I'm looking forward to the stuff in the preview.

[Child_of_Sierra]

Er, the entire scene about Wilhelmina and Khamsim was rather awkward. Wilhelmina seemed scared but Khamsim was nonchalant. (like he knew all along that Pheles was alive and the Mystes was in danger but could not be bothered to contact via long distance). They needn't really have met in person just to talk right :confuse:

Spoiler for little off topic Monster reference:

Spoiler for may spoil a bit about the Monster anime:

funny that the previous owner of the reiji maigo was named Johan and that it now "contains" Silver.

Yuuji: Look at me! Look at me! the Silver inside me has grown this big!
Proceeds to eat Powers of Existence in the same gruesome style depicted in Margery's flashback

[Kiyoru]

Hm, this season is very slow. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like all the lovey-dovey parts, but seriously, the action in this anime beats it hands down. And quite frankly, there's not enough action in this season. The only good part of this episode was the last 2 or 3 minutes, imo.

Something better happen soon

edit: what's the name for the guy in the orange top and the big thingy on his back? I know he's been in past episodes, but I forgot his name ;___;

[Kristen]

Originally Posted by minhtam2448

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm personally offended by your words here.

So when did this show turn into 101 ways to whatever? Hello? Have you even read the novel material? As much as Shana's confession in season 1 was beautiful, IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO FRICKIN HAPPEN! Takahashi had to make sure J.C. Staff went to every single plot that was missing in season 1 that had a lot of emphasis on material.

So, you got pulled in by fantasy, eh? Well, this show isn't all about fun and games, you know. As much as this was considered shounen anime, I always detested calling this a shounen anime because of the romantic sub plot that isn't supposed to be a sub plot. It's supposed to be 50-50, not 80-20, and now J.C. Staff is working their butts off trying to fix it so it would be on par with the novels. Best way to do that? Add filler plot. Then emphasis is served. Why haven't we moved on to Novel 10-11 yet? To make sure we cover all the important parts in Novel 8-9 that were missed in S1, you have to add something boring that builds up the plot. I'm still sort of upset that the Fumina arc has dragged out for so long, but the build up to Episode 6 made that worth it. This episode is supposed to build up to the next episode, where a scene in particular discussed at the top of page 3 will get everyone's minds blowing and all of a sudden hate Wilhelmina regardless of how much plot she actually goes through.

And since when is this show going 2 courses? Last I checked, it wasn't even announced that we're going 24 episodes.

You want meat? Go through the fat first.

I really understand that they are trying to get the romance part and stuff down from the books that they cut out. I mean, I can't read Japanese, so I don't know the plot of any novels, other than the first two. I just have to agree with Master Chibi.
I, as a person who has never read the books, think that the plot of this season, other than 8 and 9, has been boring and pointless. I can see why they did the 1st and 2nd episodes (To get us back into the Shana universe), but all the rest of this has just been idiotic, straying away from what got me into the series before, which was the high plot and action storyline, which focused on the specific world.
If they wanted to cover the parts of the past books that were missed, good. Make another arc, but keep it in universe. Having Shana and Kazumi doing nothing but cry for something like 3 straight episodes, having a dreaded amusement park filler episode, and then having more fillers in the school festival is just a little much. They could have covered the parts they left out much more effectively in universe. Like, maybe invent some Tomogara who comes in and Shana needs to deal with, and at the same time she is having her love triangle problems. IE, that bubbly and fat creature from season 1. Boring filler is not always the answer, if it doesn't fit in with the continuity of the storyline.