Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by Rava

You really need to think on if the question you are asking even makes sense. To look at the explanation they give you about Maya's magic:



Just off of these lines alone:

1. Do you understand what "Convergence" means? In this scenario, it means to meet. You could also look at is as gathering in a place (or places).

2. Do you understand what photons are and how they relate to light?

3. Do you understand what "distribution of light" is actually talking about?

4. Do you understand how "sight" is supposed to work?

5. Do you understand what darkness is in real life?

1. No, please explain in easy word.
2. No.
3. Not really
4. So the target is Blind
5. The target is blind.

So no Darkness at all.

Originally Posted by black prince

meteor stream is "area of effect" magic. the area that affected become darkened and "night" is created. since meteor stream is unstopable except for Tatsuya, in enclosed space escape option became limited or even none thus make meteor more effective

Rava say no darkness. The target is blind

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by black prince

meteor stream is "area of effect" magic. the area that affected become darkened and "night" is created. since meteor stream is unstopable except for Tatsuya, in enclosed space escape option became limited or even none thus make meteor more effective

This. It's unclear but Meteror stream may be even more powerful in well lit areas as there are more photons to gather but it is also implied that even in darkness there are enough photons for it to be effective. The lines don't physicly cause damage, they cause damage because the light replaces what ever was there.

Now I believe it was said that someone more powerful then her with light efinaty might be able to stop it by stoping the gathering stage but the odds of someone like that existing was ridiculously low and even then it was only maybe.

real simple potons are the energy that make up light.
things that give off light throw photons out these bounce off objects and enter our eyes this allows us to see.
Her magic takes all those bounceing photons stops them for the most part and gathers them into balls. This removes all light sources in her aera of effect. Lines of photons then connect the balls replaceing anything that was there before. Enclosed places mean ther are fewer places to dodge the lines therfore it is more effecive

Rava and black prince were both saying the same thing

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by kagato3

This. It's unclear but Meteror stream may be even more powerful in well lit areas as there are more photons to gather but it is also implied that even in darkness there are enough photons for it to be effective. The lines don't physicly cause damage, they cause damage because the light replaces what ever was there.

What you're talking about is light intensity. Its got nothing to do with photon quantity and just because you can't see light doesn't mean its not there. The quantity of photons has nothing to do with the strength of the spell to begin with.

A photon is an elementary particle, the quantum of light and all other forms of electromagnetic radiation, and the force carrier for the electromagnetic force, even when static via virtual photons.

In other words, as long as there's energy in the area, there's light albeit probably very weak.

Originally Posted by hakazee

1. No, please explain in easy word.
2. No.
3. Not really
4. So the target is Blind
5. The target is blind.

So no Darkness at all.



Rava say no darkness. The target is blind

1. Gathering.
2. Photons are basically particles of light.
3. "Distribution of light" here is basically manipulating the quantity.
4. When you see something, what you're actually doing is translating the light that reflects off the object that reaches your eyes into visual information.
5. When you perceive darkness, light isn't reaching your eyes so there's nothing to translate.

[Rava]

Originally Posted by hakazee

1. No, please explain in easy word.
2. No.
3. Not really
4. So the target is Blind
5. The target is blind.

See blackwhite67's responses. (Thanks blackwhite67!)

Originally Posted by hakazee

So no Darkness at all.



Rava say no darkness. The target is blind

Nope, never said that at all. Blindness is not the same as darkness. Darkness is (near) absence of light. If you don't understand blackwhite67's responses -- especially for 2 and 4 -- then it won't matter what else we explain to you until you do.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by Rava

Nope, never said that at all. Blindness is not the same as darkness. Darkness is (near) absence of light. If you don't understand blackwhite67's responses -- especially for 2 and 4 -- then it won't matter what else we explain to you until you do.

Nah, i uderstand the theory now.

So, are there any easy way to imagine it ?

The Assumption illustration I post is completely wrong ?

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by hakazee

Nah, i uderstand the theory now.

So, are there any easy way to imagine it ?

The Assumption illustration I post is completely wrong ?

The illustration is pretty accurate.

[Rava]

Originally Posted by hakazee

Nah, i uderstand the theory now.

So, are there any easy way to imagine it ?

The Assumption illustration I post is completely wrong ?

Easy way to imagine it?

All you see is darkness, then it lights up again and you're full of holes.

Think of it like being on the receiving end of Akuma's Raging Demon, only someone used lasers instead of fists.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

The illustration is pretty accurate.

So the assumption illustration is good enough.

Nah thank you, you help me a lot.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

What you're talking about is light intensity. Its got nothing to do with photon quantity and just because you can't see light doesn't mean its not there. The quantity of photons has nothing to do with the strength of the spell to begin with..

I was only stateing that haveing more photons may make the spell stronger as it would give more material to use to build more lines. Maybe stonger is a poor choice of word, harder to dodge then?

[dragon1412]

you can dodge something move with the speed of light ???

[Voceane]

Personally, I see "line meteor" as creating a wormhole between 2 ball of light. Then the materialization of the path by repatriating the wormhole in our world which would destroy all that is on the way.

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

2. Photons are basically particles of light.
3. "Distribution of light" here is basically manipulating the quantity.

This is slightly more than one particle of light because it is at the same time as one wave. This is why we can speak of light distribution.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by dragon1412

you can dodge something move with the speed of light ???

It still takes time to aim by setting up the balls of light if they aren't where you expect them then they have just dodged

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by esper1234

Volume 11 chapter 15

“Should I say birds of a feather flock together…… Or maybe cut from the same cloth. Regardless, he is definitely a star who is a far cry from being normal.”
“Indeed. Looks like the manipulated might actually turn out to be the manipulator.”
Fujibayashi joined in as she continued to watch the monitor.
If she turned to see her grandfather’s face, then she might have noticed the deeper meaning behind his words.
However, she failed to do so.
Birds of a feather. Centered round the Independent Magic-Equipped Battalion headed by Kazama, she was also included among that number. Nevertheless, whether fortunate or unfortunate, her grandfather’s message was not passed along to the granddaughter.

who is Elder Kudou talking about

Koyabashi herself. Basically, he wants to spoil his grand-daughter with praises.

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by kagato3

It still takes time to aim by setting up the balls of light if they aren't where you expect them then they have just dodged

It takes 0.3 seconds to complete and you wouldn't even be able to dodge because you can't see anything.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

It takes 0.3 seconds to complete and you wouldn't even be able to dodge because you can't see anything.

Thats about the same amout of time it takes to fire a gun and it is possible to dodge bullets, not easygranted but possible, this is why the magic is more effective in closed spaces anyway only a very foolish person would stay still durring combat. Meteror stream is something of a spray and pray atack more then likely it will hit but it is possible to not be where the lines target with extreme luck.

[crim]

Meteor Line would't be like one person shooting a handgun at you that you could doge, it would be more like you are surrounded by people with shotguns all shooting at the same time making it virtually impossible to doge.

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by kagato3

Thats about the same amout of time it takes to fire a gun and it is possible to dodge bullets, not easygranted but possible, this is why the magic is more effective in closed spaces anyway only a very foolish person would stay still durring combat. Meteror stream is something of a spray and pray atack more then likely it will hit but it is possible to not be where the lines target with extreme luck.

If you're in the line of fire when a gun is shot, its impossible to dodge no matter what. The dodging you see in real life and manga is only possible by reading the line of fire and predicting the moment the bullet is shot in order to move out of the line of fire at the last minute. As I said before, you can't even see where the line, or lines, is being drawn so how would you dodge?

[Diocar]

After this chapter i Am confused
The psion concentrations that tat fires at the parasites and have the will to extract the parasites are what? What is the diference between them and farstrike?

And WHAT THE HELL DOES HE DO TO COUNTER ATTACK SOME OF THE EFFECTS OF LINA PARADE, on The other chap

[Vahanar]

I was reading volume 11 and noticed this:

Spoiler:

The lack of control depended on the level of injury, not the frequency of use.

The beam just now was as fast as the speed of light. Which was far faster than the speed of sound which is why lightning is seen before thunder is heard. The speed of light is probably about a hundred times the speed of sound.

However in the present interval, the distance of sixty meters was spanned in less than two milliseconds. Which is the same as being instantaneous. It looked like evading it was impossible.

Nevertheless……..

This's horrible mistake. Speed of light is far faster than speed of sound, not only 100 times. And to add, term "probably about" is used.

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by Vahanar

I was reading volume 11 and noticed this:

This's horrible mistake. Speed of light is far faster than speed of sound, not only 100 times. And to add, term "probably about" is used.

To be exact it's a million times faster.